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Fellow RAT'S, broke ground for a new garage at our house in Wilkesboro NC where we moved to from San Diego. Would like some input/ ideas regarding the layout.
Building is going to be 40ft. wide x 30 ft.deep with 10 or 12ft. ceiling and access to the attic space upstairs. 3 garage doors on the front and 1 door( reg size) on the right hand end.
Three windows on the back wall at least 4 ft. wide and 2 windows on each end 4ft wide.
Putting my lift in the left hand bay and the ceiling will be recessed enough to allow a vehicle to be on top at full height.
Lathe and mill on the right side end wall and stairs accessing the attic against the back wall on the right too.
Will be fully wired and plumbed for 110 and 220v.
What kind of floor sealer/ epoxy works good, don't forget the floor space is 1200 sq. ft. and it all needs covering.
Driveway to the garage will be 10 feet wide x 150 ft long leading to a concrete pad that is 40 ft. wide x 15ft. deep in front of the garage.
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Sounds good to me.. nice shop! No suggestions.. just envy.
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What Chy said (and bear in mind he has a wicked big ass pole barn to mess around in ffs!!). 220v? Is that to remind you of the old country or is it so you can finally use that old Black & Decker drill you took out with you all those years ago?  We get Garage Rehab on telly over here and they always use an epoxy thing from Surface 2 Surface. It seals the concrete and it's oil resistant and easy to clean up, apparently. Lord only knows how much it would cost for that size garage. I imagine there should be a lot of labour saving though as it's not a refurb of a grubby old floor, a new floor should be ready go. I bet they could even do it in Man City colours, if you absolutely HAD to, like. .
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Next time I do a garage floor I'm going to do it in white with epoxy paint. White makes it easy to find stuff you drop and make the garage brighter without using lights. I'd consider the same stuff they use on aircraft hanger floors unless it's too expensive. The last one I did was brick red. Looked neat but was too dark, anything small and not bright metal was hard to see. The white will also ensure you see any leaks early on.
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I'd suggest in floor radiant heating a buddy along the St. Lawrence did this however I suspect a ductless split AC would be more helpful.
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220v for my Rotary phase changer to run my lathe and milling machine. machines are 220v 3 phase.
No Black & Decker drills either, anyway it would probably run backwards as we drive on the "wrong" side of the road.
Man City Logo and colors on the walls, wouldn't dare walking on them.
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Man City Logo and colors on the walls, wouldn't dare walking on them.
Red and black floor then? 
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Great idea for the floor color, I know white illuminates a lot better than a dark color. Years ago at the power plant where i worked, the below ground level was always dark so one power plant relamped it to brighten it up but didn't paint the floor, they left it concrete. The other unit was painted white on the floor and 10 feet up the walls, and wasn't relamped. What a difference it made.
A sealed White floor and white ceiling with Sky Blue walls it will be! With my English football team logo on the walls.
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I recently put LED lights in my shop that look like florecents and they are great lighting and save on power. I have 220v in my shop too for my big compressor and welders. I reccomend putting a 2nd light source in though depending what you are doing. I have incandecent bulbs too that I had put in when I built it and the different wavelength lighting makes a difference under certain circumstances.
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I replaced the fluorescent lights in one of my stores with LED. Not only did it reduce my electric bill by a lot, it eliminated the heat the fluorescents and ballasts emit. Best of all, the electric company gave me a rebate that paid for every bit of it.
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Led lighting sounds good. I like natural light and put a Solar Tube in our old house where the stairs went upstairs to the bedrooms and the difference was amazing. Even a moonlit night was enough to see where you were going.
110v receptacles spaced at 80" is every 5th stud.
220v receptacles spaced at 144" is every 9th stud.
Air Conditioned or a window style type that goes through the wall instead of the window.
Double glazed windows.
Insulated garage doors.
Small fridge.
Pot Belly style stove.
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Led lighting sounds good. I like natural light and put a Solar Tube in our old house where the stairs went upstairs to the bedrooms and the difference was amazing. Even a moonlit night was enough to see where you were going.
110v receptacles spaced at 80" is every 5th stud.
220v receptacles spaced at 144" is every 9th stud.
Air Conditioned or a window style type that goes through the wall instead of the window.
Double glazed windows.
Insulated garage doors.
Small fridge.
Pot Belly style stove.
Don't forget the funnel with a hose through the wall so you can take a piss without leaving the garage. 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Fellow RAT'S, broke ground for a new garage at our house in Wilkesboro NC where we moved to from San Diego. Would like some input/ ideas regarding the layout.
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We're currently planning our retirement home in TN and will be about 60 miles west of you. I'll also need a big garage/man cave like you're building.
During a home search we saw a garage about the size you're looking at so I got a lot of ideas from it. They had a cold-water toilet and sink bathroom in one corner and a wood stove in the opposite corner. They place was huge and I had to wipe the drool from my chin.
Are you going with a post & beam pole barn/Morton building or a stick-built structure?
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Going to be stick built as the say here. I'm calling it a man house, it'll fit quite a few "caves " inside. Finding a builder out here is tough as they all seem to be busy.
At least it's progressing, got the area for a pad cleared and a driveway rough graded to it. Our lot is full of trees and it took them two days get back where the building will be.
Going to put cold water in and a propane on demand boiler. I'm replacing the one in the house this year and use the old one for the garage.
Was going to put a full bathroom in but we would have to pump all waste uphill about 15 feet to the septic tank. Only about 75 feet behind the house so not too far to go.
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We live in a forest so none can even see the garage, also heard that human urine acts as a deterrent for some animals.
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Don't forget a smoke detector.
Either connected to an external siren or wireless link to another unit in the house. Battery ones are good these days.
Better still, a proper hard wired one (back to it's own fuse in the breaker) as you're wiring the place properly.
Being away from the house, God forbid there is a fire, you want to know before you look outside in the morning and see a pile of ashes!!
(PS: make sure you press that little test button regularly too.)
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good idea for a smoke detector, i appreciate all the suggestions. now waiting on the footings being dug.
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How thick is the floor going to be? Have them back fill with crushed stone or gravel and compact it well in one foot lifts. 
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floor will be 4" thick, backfilled with sand as they say it compacts better
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Don't forget a floor drain if you can. Several years ago I had some concrete work done. I had a lodge brother who was a dispatcher for a concrete company set me up for some highway concrete instead of the cheap stuff. It cost me a little more but it hasn't cracked yet.
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Great idea. 
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floor will be 4" thick, backfield with sand as they say it compacts better
sand does not compact, it just moves away and looks like its compacting. for a shop with mostly for static loads it should be okay, gravel would be better though.
are there footing? or just the slab on grade?
not planning on any stamping presses are you?
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Sand stays "lively" but the foundation walls will keep it in place. 4" isn't thick enough for the machinery that I think your going to be putting on it, if you know where you're going to placing things, pour a footing for the foot print of your machines plus a foot around. What's the frost line there? What gives concrete its compression strength? sand or stone?
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There will be a block wall 8 courses high on the back wall and the side walls will go from 8 high tapering down to two courses high at the front over a 30 foot length.
The lathe weighs 1600lbs. and has six bolts holding it down through the baseplate of the machine. Baseplate has two pads 3"wide x 18'' long under the headstock and the same under the tailstock. Baseplate will be shimmed level at these six points and then grouted which spreads the load of the machine over 216 square inches which works out to 7.4lbs per square inch.
Milling machine weighs 2500lbs and has 4 pads with a total area of 44 square inch plus the perimeter of the machine base which will be grouted for a total of 170 square inches.
Load per square inch will be less than 15lbs.
Not sure about a frost line here, i don't know if it ever gets that cold to freeze the ground.
I'll talk to the builder about putting stone instead of sand for the base. I'm a machinist not a builder but i can see the advantage of rock as against sand for backfill.
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Found all kinds of things to consider from peoples input and appreciate it.
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Just tell your concrete guy to put down 4 to 6 inches of "crusher run" (CR) on compacted soil. The state version of that is "GAB". Any quarry in NC will have gobs of the stuff, it's their main product. NO on the sand, water will carry it out grain by grain. Oh, and plastic and wire too. I did that sorta stuff for 25 + years.
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Oh, and the pad needs to go beyond the slab at least 2 or 3 feet. And stay out of the Woolsworth.
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Anyplace you build a wall on the slab you need footings. Ditto on gravel under the slab, it allows drainage while maintaining hydro-static pressure under the slab. The slab won't sag.
I've been involve building a two story three car garage on my last property with an apartment up stairs. Also, two story a six car garage, three on top and three on the bottom, on the side of a hill. Yes a three car suspended garage on top with twelve foot high doors for construction equipment and lifts. Lots of steel, corrugated metal and concrete. Full disclosure, many summers when my business is slow I help my brother build McMansions. Lots of suspended garages over basements.
I would advise just drive through a new neighborhood under construction and see how they do it in your area.
You might consult the concrete finisher on whether to spray "cure" on the surface if you decide on epoxy paint. The "cure" is basically like a lacquer, you may have to strip and sand it for a good epoxy application.
The coolest garage floors I've ever seen were at European Car in Wichita Kansas, a BMW dealership. The floor was brick size terracotta tiles, no mortar, just laid very very very tight. You could eat off of them they were so clean. Frito-Lay factories have the same floors.
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...Not sure about a frost line here, i don't know if it ever gets that cold to freeze the ground....
I should have phase it, What's the minimum footing depth?
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Don't know what the minimum footing depth will be. They've not started digging yet. Not sure how long it will take them to build it either. The tree clearing took about 4 days spread over 3 weeks. Now waiting for the builder to come over with a contract, then hopefully things will keep rolling.
Wade, what does "stay out of the woolsworth mean?
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Wade, what does "stay out of the woolsworth mean?
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Footings have been dug about 20" wide x 24" deep and concrete has now been poured at least 12'' thick if not 16". Wasn't home when concrete was done, was at hospital with my wife regarding her liver transplant. Block should be delivered tomorrow and Friday the block should be set in place. I would think a week is enough time for the concrete to cure before putting block down. Probably only 8 courses in the back. Going to get the foundation filled with rock as was suggested.
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Insulated block?
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Never heard of it before now, the blocks are bigger than the normal ones. They look about 12" wide. Back wall has been finished and is 9 courses tall. Front of garage will be 3 courses high and then with the apron it will blend into the road.
Talked to the builder and am getting crushed rock for the fill under the floor.
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Energy bills aren't getting any cheaper, heat or A/C. That old commercial comes to mind "You can pay me now or pay me later". How hot does it get in your part of the woods? and how hot does it get with the machines running (Are you going to be the only one in there running the machines)? It's not the heat, it's the humidity! https://www.oneontablock.com/insulation.html
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Energy bills aren't getting any cheaper, heat or A/C. That old commercial comes to mind "You can pay me now or pay me later". How hot does it get in your part of the woods? and how hot does it get with the machines running (Are you going to be the only one in there running the machines)? It's not the heat, it's the humidity!
https://www.oneontablock.com/insulation.html
With all the suggestions this garage could end up being more expensive than the house!
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I really appreciate all the input and wish i could splurge out and get whatever my heart desires, i have got the crushed rock as the backfill and am waiting for the floor to be poured at 5" thick.
Floor is going to be Epoxy coated and no drain, i didn't want the floor sloping to a drain. Never wanted a drain in any other garage so why start now. I'm 64 yrs.old so how long i'll be messing around with cars or making things isn't too much of a concern. Just being comfortable and not cramped will be nice.
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Energy bills aren't getting any cheaper, heat or A/C. That old commercial comes to mind "You can pay me now or pay me later". How hot does it get in your part of the woods? and how hot does it get with the machines running (Are you going to be the only one in there running the machines)? It's not the heat, it's the humidity!
https://www.oneontablock.com/insulation.html
With all the suggestions this garage could end up being more expensive than the house!
No joke. Stuff ain't cheap. I had to scale back a bit on my plans. 
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The ground will freeze. You get to freezing like the 20s Dec, Jan, Feb. If the days stay warm like 40s to 50s you should be fine. Where you are going is not brutal cold.
June, July, August it can get pretty darn hot and humid. 4 ton AC unit or better a heat pump for that size.
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It's humid here and if i can't stand it i'll go back in the house. The side where my machines are going to be wile closed in with cabinets and will probably put those vinyl curtains you can walk through to close off the end. Might put a window air conditioner in as the Machine shop section will be about 200 square feet and will be self contained.
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