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I was watching 'How the Universe Works' on the science channel and everything suddenly made sense.
Seems that stars are born when hydrogen gas collects in a lump. The lump has gravity that attracts more gas, generating more gravity, compressing th gas. Eventually, this progresses to the point that there is enough gravity that the gas compresses and generates heat enough to ignite. OK, that was when it became clear. Stars light off from COMPRESSION ignition. The universe is a giant diesel engine! That's why it has been able to run so long.
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Who made the hydrogen gas?
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Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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Who made the hydrogen gas?
ahh!! yes, the age old question. Which came first the chicken or the egg?
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Who made the hydrogen gas?
That is as far as any of mankind has gotten. Not a single living person knows the answer to that question...yet.
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So then, it would seem that however you believe it came into existence one must exercise some level of faith.
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Why do you have to believe you know how it came into existence? I don't really care and if I learned why I would still wake up in the morning, or not. I guess one delusional guess is as good as the other figuring they are both probably wrong.
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Well we all Know Odin is the Allfather.
Dinosaur.
"Oh Man I only ride 'em.I don't know what makes 'em work". Donald "Oddball" Sutherland
"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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But who were Odins parents?
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Borr and Bestla were Odins parents. I thought everybody knew that. 
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I think I dated Bestla, (or , "besti", as I called her)for a while. But that was a looooong time ago! 
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I think I dated Bestla, (or , "besti", as I called her)for a while. But that was a looooong time ago!
Dinosaur.
"Oh Man I only ride 'em.I don't know what makes 'em work". Donald "Oddball" Sutherland
"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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Borr and Bestla were Odins parents. I thought everybody knew that.
Who were their parents? 
Dinosaur.
"Oh Man I only ride 'em.I don't know what makes 'em work". Donald "Oddball" Sutherland
"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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Bolthorn was Bestla's mother a frost giant. Buri was formed by a cow and was the father of Borr. So the frost giant and Borr made Odin. Absolutely clear to any casual onlooker. How can you not keep up with this?  It all started with a cow and the sweat from the cow as it licked the ice to make the rivers made the giant gods. I don't think we are sure where the cow came from but the rest is clearly factual. 
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Oh come on, the cow was clearly Hathor.
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I feel a headache coming on.
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In another thousand years or so, people will be talking about christianity and the myth of Jesus and his dad the same way.
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I do find it amusing that I just bought (a month ago) a book on the Norse Gods. Pretty good read, and the guy basically took the old Norse legends and "rewrote" them to make sense to us modern readers. Dark stuff, a lot of it, with plenty of revenge tales. "Norse Mythology", by Neil Gaiman.
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In another thousand years or so, people will be talking about Christianity and the myth of Jesus and his dad the same way.
I see you have noticed the only difference. That being Mythology is a religion nobody believes in anymore.
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In another thousand years or so, people will be talking about Christianity and the myth of Jesus and his dad the same way.
Just a guess on my part, but I'd bet the village atheists were saying something similar a thousand years ago.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Being traveling in India and Thailand passed through Laos and now Vietnam they all seem to have their own versions of how it all began or how we are going to get where ever.
I have always said that I believe that you believe what you believe and I am ok with that just don't get bent out of shape because I believe it is hog wash.
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In another thousand years or so, people will be talking about Christianity and the myth of Jesus and his dad the same way.
Just a guess on my part, but I'd bet the village atheists were saying something similar a thousand years ago.
They were, they were Buddhist, Gnostic, or Liars. Liars were important 1000 years ago. Thinking Crusades, inquisitions etc. Picking the faith of the local power was the best way to keep your head. Lying was the best way to survive.
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To borrow from Monty Python . “Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government!”
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Being traveling in India and Thailand passed through Laos and now Vietnam they all seem to have their own versions of how it all began or how we are going to get where ever.
I have always said that I believe that you believe what you believe and I am ok with that just don't get bent out of shape because I believe it is hog wash.
Or you could reply just that you don't believe it- without calling it "hog wash" and not offend anybody in the process.
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In another thousand years or so, people will be talking about Christianity and the myth of Jesus and his dad the same way.
Just a guess on my part, but I'd bet the village atheists were saying something similar a thousand years ago.
Yes, right before he was burned at the stake. 
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Hogwash is a word I only use with friends I would not insult someones believe by saying that. Ok once when the guy was really pushy at my front door.
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I believe in God. I do so by faith, since I can not prove He exists.
The athiest believes there is no god. He does so by faith, since he can not prove there is no god.
When you look at the universe, or just life itself, I say to the athiest "you have great faith".
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Does it take more faith to believe everything was created by nothing or something?
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C.S Lewis is my "go to" theologian.
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C.S Lewis is my "go to" theologian.
No kidding? He was a friend of Tolkien. You enjoy Lord of the Rings too i spose,
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In another thousand years or so, people will be talking about christianity and the myth of Jesus and his dad the same way.
May i ask, you don't believe Jesus existed?
This should prolly be moved to the cone of silence. It's almost like an oil question but can be more toxic.
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Who made the hydrogen gas?
ahh!! yes, the age old question. Which came first the chicken or the egg?
The same question as creation or evolution. And why don't chicken eggs taste like chicken?
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And again, can you have deviled eggs and angel food cake in the same meal?
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In another thousand years or so, people will be talking about christianity and the myth of Jesus and his dad the same way.
May i ask, you don't believe Jesus existed?
This should prolly be moved to the cone of silence. It's almost like an oil question but can be more toxic.
I believe Jesus existed, as a person. I do not believe he was the son of any god, nor was he the product of a virgin birth. There have been many "gods" that share a lot of the same details of a Jesus story, dating before that one. Do you believe Jesus was a long haired white man as depicted in all western versions of the story?
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In another thousand years or so, people will be talking about christianity and the myth of Jesus and his dad the same way.
May i ask, you don't believe Jesus existed?
This should prolly be moved to the cone of silence. It's almost like an oil question but can be more toxic.
I believe Jesus existed, as a person. I do not believe he was the son of any god, nor was he the product of a virgin birth. There have been many "gods" that share a lot of the same details of a Jesus story, dating before that one. Do you believe Jesus was a long haired white man as depicted in all western versions of the story?
Why, OF COURSE he did, Dave!
Uh-huh, he looked JUST like the blue eyed Jeffrey Hunter did in that 1961 flick "King of Kings"!!!
(...although in that '65 flick, "The Greatest Story Ever Told", most historians when tell you that no Roman soldier at the Crucifixion ever looked like John Wayne, AND probably never uttered those immortal words in that oh so unique cadence Big Duke always had, "He truly was the Son of God" as the sky filled with rain)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Well we all Know Odin is the Allfather.
I think the original gods were the Tuatha De Dannen.
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How about if Mary was inpregnated by artifical means by a space traveler trying to enrich our gene pool?? That might also explain why Moslem Mosks look like space ships. Chariots of the Gods anyone?
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How about if Mary was inpregnated by artifical means by a space traveler trying to enrich our gene pool?? That might also explain why Moslem Mosks look like space ships. Chariots of the Gods anyone?
Oh now YOU Dennis would've gotten along GREAT with my dearly departed Pop!
(...he read that book back when it first hit the shelves in the late-'60s, and seemed to really take von Daniken's little theory to heart)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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If God is actually God he can do anything he wants. If the universe can be spoken into existence he can certainly impregnate a teenage girl by wishing it. If God can create life in all it's complexity, and all the stars and planets in the universe, who are we to place restrictions on his power?
As for Jesus Christ, there are three possibilities. He was a start raving lunatic, a conniving con man or exactly who he said he was.
I personally will go with an all powerful God whose only limitations are the ones he places on himself and Jesus Christ as exactly who he said he was.
God I assume through logic, Christ through faith.
Alas, I think this discussion is in the wrong part of the site.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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