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Oh boy! '18 0r '19.I gotta hang around and wait MORE time! Oh well I hope I'm still above ground and riding by then. 
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Don't they realise that their customer base is ageing?....some of us would like to ride one before we're riding our walking frames
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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Gentlemen, and ladies. I believe the chances of a new Speedy or America are very slim. A 1200/900 Speedy would kill sales of the Bobber. Here's a video some may enjoy, some may not.
Bob
My son got a new Speed Triple today. While at the dealer this afternoon of course I asked about the Speedy and America. This sales guy said they are doing a complete makeover of them and they won't be out until 2018 or '19. Just thought I'd add another rumor to the mill.
With all the changes needed to existing bikes in their lines for the Euro 4 cobblers, Triumph (and other manufacturers) couldn't possibly do them all at once.
Yeah, they've known for a while it was coming in but developing these things takes years.
So, it makes sense that any new models (necessary to jump onto the various bandwagons in a timely manner) and only good selling current models (which are staying) get priority.
Rather than getting excited about a possible 1200cc America or Speedy, I want to see a factory 2.5+ litre R3 
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True but with a 1200 BA/speedy, they have a compliant engine already in the T120. I know it's not just bolt in but I wouldn't have thought it'd take that much re-engineering to put it in a cruiser.Or for that matter re-engineering of the Bobber to cruiser form.But what would I know?
Dinosaur.
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"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
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True but with a 1200 BA/speedy, they have a compliant engine already in the T120. I know it's not just bolt in but I wouldn't have thought it'd take that much re-engineering to put it in a cruiser.Or for that matter re-engineering of the Bobber to cruiser form.But what would I know?
Maybe it wouldn't take all that much but no doubt if it is coming, its got to take it's turn in line.
Taking engineers off new bikes to re-engineer a bike that doesn't sell in the numbers they want it to anyway simply isn't going to happen.
There is already another new bike (in the variation of the 'Street' group) coming on January 10th and in careers, there are lots of positions - a few in development, so the queue infront of the mythical 1200 cruiser is shortening.
Ooh, ooh - they could call it the Street Unicorn !!
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Maybe it wouldn't take all that much but no doubt if it is coming, its got to take it's turn in line.
Taking engineers off new bikes to re-engineer a bike that doesn't sell in the numbers they want it to anyway simply isn't going to happen.
There is already another new bike (in the variation of the 'Street' group) coming on January 10th and in careers, there are lots of positions - a few in development, so the queue infront of the mythical 1200 cruiser is shortening.
Ooh, ooh - they could call it the Street Unicorn !!
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I beleive the 10th launch is a Triple not a twin.
Triumph has a Street Twin, Cup, A Scrambler, two T100, two T120's and the Bobber. Basically they have "twined it out" The only real option at this point in my opinion for the Twin is a Cruiser. Might happen, might not but I cant' see another variant for the twin.
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True, what I was getting at was (whether twins or triples), they can only re-do so many new models or model makeovers at a time and they will concentrate on new models or model makeovers on models that sell well.
Triumph would be missing a trick if they DIDN'T do a 1200 cruiser, thats for sure.
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If Triumph would upgrade the Spdy/Am line, perhaps it wouldn't be such a slow seller? I'm fine if they quit making /discontinue both bikes, can you say instant collector status?
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I suppose without upgrading the cruisers,they're making plenty of profit ATM so as has been said,maybe they'll get to the America/speedy line,maybe not.I hope they do.
Anyway,I love my bike.
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It is really hard for a brand to break our of it's nitch. A Triumph Cruiser still doesn't resonate in the biker world. You say Triumph and people think Bonneville or maybe Speed Triple, not cruiser. Much like every time Harley brings out a "performance"model, it bombs. Say Harley and people think Bagger, not performance. It looks like Ducati is making head way with expanding it's line up, but it's a slow process. Triumph with the big Rocket made a splash, but that excitement has died down already. I'm pretty sure a new cruiser will be brought forward sometime, no one can afford to ignore that market, but it will be hard to be more than a bit player. I like having something a bit different and a 1200 America would appeal to me.
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I pulled this from another forum and found it amusing but spot on. "There... That's how you promote/show a new Bike-range... Very well done. That made me excited about buying a new bike. Period. NOTE: The NON use of man-buns. Or any people's face, good looking or otherwise. No trust-fund Hoboken lofts being exited from. No Duck Dynasty beards with Blue-Steel glares being shoved in your face like new-born pictures on FaceBook. No gaggle of blondes that appear to have never seen a man on a motorcycle before, in an unrealistic giant empty warehouse with suspended strands of old incandescent bulbs taken straight from the Corona Beer commercial set. Instead of being embarrassed while viewing a Triumph promo, for once I was quite the opposite. One can easily tell this was directed by someone that isn't a marketing department cubicle zombie addicted to twitter, or some form of corporate nepotism. And is more likely a motorcycle enthusiast instead. Well done." T100 launch Australia
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Hear, Hear..Amen to all that!
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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YES Well done!But what do you expect? It's from the "Land down under" 
Dinosaur.
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"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
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YES Well done!But what do you expect? It's from the "Land down under"
Your modesty sets an example for all of us. 
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YES Well done!But what do you expect? It's from the "Land down under"
Your modesty sets an example for all of us.
My modesty [almost] forbids me, from telling you that my modesty is one of the first among equals, of MANY great attributes that I have Ryk 
Dinosaur.
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"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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Review of the Bobber, also shows the bags mounted. Bobber Review. 
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I finely saw a Bobber in the flesh Saturday, It sure looks better than the pictures. Very nice for bopping around town but looks a bit small for serious travel. Anyway I guess that's why they call it a Bobber, Very Good Looking little bike. With that 1200 I bet it really goes.
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They really do a good job making a water cooled bike look air cooled.
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I went to look at another truck yesterday and the fella's Mrs had just taken delivery of her new Bobber. Got to say, in the flesh it's pretty nice (the Bobber, not the fella's Mrs!  ) .
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And I took a close look at one in the dealer today...still not convinced it's physically big enough to be made into a two up tourer.....and no the dealer knows no more than we do about forthcoming models.
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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...still not convinced it's physically big enough to be made into a two up tourer....
Oh ffs!! 
How many bobbers are designed for two up riding and touring like you seem to think they are?!!
Modern stuff like this isn't for hardcore rigid tailed cobble it together in the shed bikers. It's for posers for pissing about for a few hours in the sun or bar hopping.
And for THAT, it's not a bad looking bike!
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...still not convinced it's physically big enough to be made into a two up tourer....
Oh ffs!!
How many bobbers are designed for two up riding and touring like you seem to think they are?!!
Modern stuff like this isn't for hardcore rigid tailed cobble it together in the shed bikers. It's for posers for pissing about for a few hours in the sun or bar hopping.
And for THAT, it's not a bad looking bike!
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No. You missed the point.
The photos so far of the ' new' TBA mule on test suggest it's based on the bobber....and if so, it'll be far too small for those of us in the market for a 1200 TBA...given that we want it for the extra grunt for two up touring
That was what I was farkling on about
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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8000 Mile test of the Bobber. MCN 8000 Mile Bobber review. I Decided some time ago its not for me, To much money to spend on a bike with limited use and after viewing it a bit small as well. I think the new Speedmaster thats based on Bobber chassis will also be not for me either as I expect it to be even more cash. Keeping my 07 America for as long as I can foresee.
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A reasonably harsh review considering all these reviews try to show the bikes in their best lght.The has been comments on the durability of the finish of the T120 and Bobber before.I had a 1974 Sportster as my only transport and the small tank does become a pain quickly.Looks great but filling up every second day wasn't fun.
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