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I read somewhere Triumph will have them as accessories.
I had one recently on a bike.
Generally ok but even a small travel humidor took up a lot of space 
You can get these for an Enfield but they look butt ugly ...
Or these ...
I'd be surprised if they didn't do something like those and they'd be quick release too so the hipsters can carry their mobiles and beard combs into the café 
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I didn't mean a whole grand poobah touring seat with all the bells and whistles, just a small pillion pad.Big enough to give someone a lift to the pub or to strap a small bag on.Yes the side bag is good and I read somewhere Triumph will have them as accessories.
I bet that would be an interesting ride, like a mini pogo stick over every bump.
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Anybody seen pricing?
It's probably going to be about the same as the T120 it's based on (£9,800 over here).
It's annoying that they had the bike on their website within an hour of the 7pm launch ... but no pricing.
They would pretty much know when it went from the designer's screen to the first board meetings what it would cost, or at least way before production started so why not list the price at launch?
Maybe waiting to see interest. If there are loads of "I want one whatever the cost" then they can put a few hundred on the price.
If take up is slow then drop it by a couple of hundred
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Maybe a man purse for the hair brush and I-Pad along with one of those suction cup pillion rider seats for the misses. It appears the cat's are in the slip-ons, nice. First thing to remove  . I still think the radiator stands out on this bike more that it does on the other Bonnie lines. Probably because it supposed to be a stripped down bike.
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I didn't mean a whole grand poobah touring seat with all the bells and whistles, just a small pillion pad.Big enough to give someone a lift to the pub or to strap a small bag on.Yes the side bag is good and I read somewhere Triumph will have them as accessories.
I bet that would be an interesting ride, like a mini pogo stick over every bump.
I was thinking more of the ability to carry a little bit of gear for an overnight trip.Take it over a cobble stone road and it Might get some lady passengers grinning though .
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I read somewhere Triumph will have them as accessories.
I had one recently on a bike.
Generally ok but even a small travel humidor took up a lot of space
You can get these for an Enfield but they look butt ugly ...
Or these ...
I'd be surprised if they didn't do something like those and they'd be quick release too so the hipsters can carry their mobiles and beard combs into the café
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The second brown and black don't seem too bad, but I think they stole the first one from a 1940s Army Despatch rider.
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I just read this.Maybe this is Triumphs reason for the Bobber. http://motorbikewriter.com/bmw-release-r-ninet-bobber/
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Yeah, like scramblers and café racers, Bobbers are the 'new' thing now.
I was talking to a bloke a couple of weeks ago who was riding a Nine T. Nice bike and really nice quality look about it (funny thing, the indicators were up under the seat - sticking out.
I guarantee I'd kick them off first ride getting on or off).
It will be interesting to see and feel the quality of the Triumph
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Yeah, Bobber's are the next big thing for the Hip Set. Personally I dislike the big space between the seat and fender, but I guess I'm just too old for tricks like that. I also dislike the tank lifts guys do trying to look like choppers. I must be getting old and Grumpy.
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Triumph should have contacted Zero Engineering for the frame and tank. Their frame looks more like a hard tail with a some rake to it. Even though its a hidden softail, it rides pretty comfy.
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Yeah, Bobber's are the next big thing for the Hip Set. Personally I dislike the big space between the seat and fender, but I guess I'm just too old for tricks like that. I also dislike the tank lifts guys do trying to look like choppers. I must be getting old and Grumpy.
I'm old annd grumpy too.I think a lot of us are getting that way 
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Maybe waiting to see interest. If there are loads of "I want one whatever the cost" then they can put a few hundred on the price.
If take up is slow then drop it by a couple of hundred
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That's what I also think they are doing.
I like it a lot.
The only downside I can see for my own purposes is the tank is too small for long distances, I am wondering if one could mod an old speedy/america tank for it. I have 5 or 6 sitting around which I collected almost a decade ago.
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I like it. It has the classic rear triangle and a fine line from the rear axle to the neck. Very nice.
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I think the hipsters will buy it. The majority of folks are 1 up riders but there is something about giving up the passenger by design I don't like. I just don't like that seat flying up in the air. Other than that it has Speed Twin DNA. Victory makes a kinda bobber that seems to sell ok. There is a market for them. 
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Yeah, Bobber's are the next big thing for the Hip Set. Personally I dislike the big space between the seat and fender, but I guess I'm just too old for tricks like that. I also dislike the tank lifts guys do trying to look like choppers. I must be getting old and Grumpy.
Nah, BMW has been doing that for a very long time. My 64 R50 has a seat like that, the pivot is under the tank with a support post just behind that and the seat is mounted to a leaf spring.
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I think the hipsters will buy it. The majority of folks are 1 up riders but there is something about giving up the passenger by design I don't like. I just don't like that seat flying up in the air. Other than that it has Speed Twin DNA.
Victory makes a kinda bobber that seems to sell ok. There is a market for them.
I agree.I ride solo, but there's something somehow just not quite right with the inability to take a passenger if need be and the extra difficulty of taking anything along.Maybe Triumph has some accessories to remedy those things,we'll see, but IMO it shouldn't cost more money to do those basic things.
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... but there's something somehow just not quite right with the inability to take a passenger if need be and the extra difficulty of taking anything along.
I think the point is being missed.
It's a cool bike for cool people who go out for a ride with cash in one pocket and ciggies in the other.
That's it.
If space is needed for a pillion (or even the hint of one!) or luggage to carry waterproofs or spare gloves and a bike chain - it's not the bike for you.
Pretty young things will be riding in some sun kissed locale stopping only to refuel and grab a frothyskinnychoccymocha-something-or-other with their equally good looking friends.
More power to their elbow I say 
We can't bemoan not having provision for a cup holder and an adequate mounting point for a towbar because one day we might want to take a tasty beverage or fit a trailer.
It is what it is.
Like I said before, a frame mounted man bag for spare earplugs, a mobile and glasses is probably all they'll need. I had one on a Fat Boy and it was ok.
I'm looking forward to seeing one.
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I see your point and I know what you mean.I know it's not supposed to be an electra glide. I only have a solo seat on my bike,and most of the time I just ride out for the day,but if I want to do an overnight trip or a few days away I can put the factory provided pillion seat on or the accessory rear rack and tie stuff to that.
Whereas the bobber can't.No doubt it will have some provision such as a bag or small rack in their accessories.Actually a tank bag or back pack would do.There's always ways and means.
I'm looking forward to seeing one in the flesh too.
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I actually like most of what they've done to this Indian baby Harley. http://motorbikewriter.com/custom-culture-grows-commuting/
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Gentlemen, and ladies. I believe the chances of a new Speedy or America are very slim. A 1200/900 Speedy would kill sales of the Bobber. Here's a video some may enjoy, some may not. Bob
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Sadly, I think you may be right. I hung on as long as I could before buying my TBA LT.
But I'm still hopeful
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Gentlemen, and ladies. I believe the chances of a new Speedy or America are very slim. A 1200/900 Speedy would kill sales of the Bobber. Here's a video some may enjoy, some may not.
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Ha,that was a funny review.
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SMH, That side cover that says "Bonneville Bobber" needs to go. Even Bob from the video agrees. I would be embarrassed to pull up to a group of bikes and riders with that abomination on the side of my bike. What was corporate thinking anyway? How about a Triumph "Bonneville America Cruiser" side cover? Any takers?
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Did anyone think about maybe customizing the factory Bobber? Take off the decal, maybe even the badge give the paint an "old fake rusted look". That paint is just too shiny for a Bobber. Did I see one color available in flat black? I guess that wouldn't be too bad. 
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Did anyone think about maybe customizing the factory Bobber? Take off the decal, maybe even the badge give the paint an "old fake rusted look". That paint is just too shiny for a Bobber. Did I see one color available in flat black? I guess that wouldn't be too bad.
Makes sense Paul, anything can be modified. A retro set of badges, fatter tires and some saddlebags, along with scratching off the word "Bobber" on the side cover and I wouldn't gripe a bit. I also like the monoshock concept a lot. There is a lot to work with there.
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Gentlemen, and ladies. I believe the chances of a new Speedy or America are very slim. A 1200/900 Speedy would kill sales of the Bobber. Here's a video some may enjoy, some may not.
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Since Triumph is taking the 1200 Bonneville engine to liquid cooling anyway the bigger question is when will Triumph finally invest in the Thunderbird platform. The Thunderbird has the displacement to compete with Harley and Polaris in the far more profitable $14-18k cruiser market. In terms of getting a return on their investment the 1700cc full size cruiser should be their primary focus.
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They'll need to put a lot of work in to make the Thunderbird engine truly competitive in my view.
Even allowing for the possibility that mine was an exception ( hmmm,) I think the engine is just too ' clattery' to appeal to the average buyer.
I suspect the source of the racket is the decompresser bobweights on the end of the exhaust camshaft...mine simply rattled whenever the engine was revved..an irritating.horrible.unholy. row.
Frankly this sort of thing isn't excusable on a water-cooled engine....other makers have been getting right for decades.
I strongly suspect the factory road testers all wore well padded full face helmets.
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It is ironic motorcycle enthusiasts are discussing how impracticable Triumph's new bobber is since non-riders consider every motorcycle impracticable. Suposably bobbers date back to the 1930s but the first ones I remember seeing and hearing about were the Harley WLAs of World War 2. H-D made over 90,000 and after the war the U.S. government damn near bankrupted Harley Davidson by selling brand new or slightly used surplus WLAs at give away prices. So how was Harley supposed to sell the civilian version of the same model for retail price. But now Harley Davidson honors those original WLA bobbers with the Softail Slim-S optional matte green and white star paint. Kick start and ride an original hard frame WLA and then buy and enjoy the new modern version, that is if you like riding more than wrenching. And adding a passenger seat and pegs or a swing arm bag or full saddlebags takes just a visit to the accessory book.  
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They'll need to put a lot of work in to make the Thunderbird engine truly competitive in my view.
Even allowing for the possibility that mine was an exception ( hmmm,) I think the engine is just too ' clattery' to appeal to the average buyer.
I suspect the source of the racket is the decompresser bobweights on the end of the exhaust camshaft...mine simply rattled whenever the engine was revved..an irritating.horrible.unholy. row.
Frankly this sort of thing isn't excusable on a water-cooled engine....other makers have been getting right for decades.
I strongly suspect the factory road testers all wore well padded full face helmets.
I didn't notice any abnormal noise on the Thunderbird I test rode a couple of years ago but I wear a 3/4 helmets.
Tuck that radiator between the frame rails and really rework the style of the bike, give it 5 distinct models maybe even a softail version and deep rich paint with Triumph proudly and artfully displayed on the tank and hit the market. Well, maybe in America anyway I won't pretend to know what would work elsewhere. I'm telling you the Triumph brand has serious potential in America, more than Victory and possibly as much as Indian. The old timers who knew the original Indians have long since croaked or are well beyond their riding years (on average) not so the old Triumph fans. And honestly in the 60s if you didn't ride a Harley you rode a Triumph. The year I took my Triumph to Sturgis I got all positive remarks from some serious hard core bikers nothing negative, wouldn't try that with a Suzuki.
Oh, and Triumph has to do something about their dealer network in America. I don't know what the problem is but they'd better figure it out fast. I live near the largest military base on the east coast in a year 'round riding climate so the potential to sell motorcycles is huge. there are 4 Harley Davidson dealers (that sell bikes) 2 Polaris dealers 3 Honda dealers even the local BMW dealer sells only BMW motorcycles and is doing great. I'd have to ride 45 minutes away to get to the only Triumph dealer around and they sell 4 other brands. When I bought my TBA it was from the only Triumph/Harley Davidson dealer I know of and that was a 3 hour ride from home.
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Please don't get me wrong...I'm a big fan of Triumph....and really wanted to like my Tbird LT.
And indeed it had the performance, the brakes, the handling and the comforts to make it a potential winner.
But....it was a dogs dinner of an engine....new cylinders and liners at 400( yes, 400) miles from new...and the rattles I v e mentioned.
And the dealer response was truly crap.
6 weeks telling me they all do that..followed by 3 months to rebuild the top end....and it still rattled.
They really just didn't care, or know their product.
Even the coffee machine in the shop was permanently broken and it was no one's job to fix it.
They need to sort all that stuff out.
For the money I paid I expect my dealer to trip over themselves to sort out any problems...not treat me like an imbecile.
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Oh yes, whilst I'm having a whine....to get the belt drive to track true, you need to misalign the rear wheel...running with it tracked correctly results in an ineradicable squeak.....
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Well I know a bunch of folks on the Thunderbird site who love their TBs. One guy has an SE and has over 110,000 miles on it and claims it's quiet as a Mouse and has never checked the valves.  I've liked them so much I've had 2. 
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I know others have had trouble free TBirds....and indeed I wish them all well...this though was my own sad experience.....and I also know from the forums that I'm not alone in having had problems with these.
If it wasn't for own my woes they'd be my first choice in big cruisers....
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While this one still seems like an odd duck to me, this article claims they are pre selling like beer and hot dogs at a baseball game. I'll see this one Saturday night at the local "unveiling" What the heck. it's free beer and food and a chance to also see the 900 Scrambler. I thought this review came off very straight forward without the normal fluff. Bobber ride review
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While this one still seems like an odd duck to me, this article claims they are pre selling like beer and hot dogs at a baseball game. I'll see this one Saturday night at the local "unveiling" What the heck. it's free beer and food and a chance to also see the 900 Scrambler.
I thought this review came off very straight forward without the normal fluff. Bobber ride review
Wife and I went to the show in Chicago. It was fun. They released the pricing today. $12,600.00 high end.
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While this one still seems like an odd duck to me, this article claims they are pre selling like beer and hot dogs at a baseball game. I'll see this one Saturday night at the local "unveiling" What the heck. it's free beer and food and a chance to also see the 900 Scrambler.
I thought this review came off very straight forward without the normal fluff. Bobber ride review
At £10500 (still not listed on Triumph's website, that I can see) compared to possible rivals:
Victory Octane - £9799
•Indian Scout - £10499
•Harley-Davidson Forty-Eight - £9675
•Yamaha XV950 (Bolt) - £7199
•Moto Guzzi V9 Bobber/Roamer: £7999/£7899
 mmm ...
"You can't believe everything you read on the internet" : William Shakespeare
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber
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Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 797 Likes: 17
3/4 Throttle
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3/4 Throttle
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 797 Likes: 17 |
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While this one still seems like an odd duck to me, this article claims they are pre selling like beer and hot dogs at a baseball game. I'll see this one Saturday night at the local "unveiling" What the heck. it's free beer and food and a chance to also see the 900 Scrambler.
I thought this review came off very straight forward without the normal fluff. Bobber ride review
At £10500 (still not listed on Triumph's website, that I can see) compared to possible rivals:
Victory Octane - £9799
•Indian Scout - £10499
•Harley-Davidson Forty-Eight - £9675
•Yamaha XV950 (Bolt) - £7199
•Moto Guzzi V9 Bobber/Roamer: £7999/£7899
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Oh there you go using logic again. I do like the fact that Triumph has some vision. Even if it is the ready made Bobber. Now if they could discover a thing called marketing and develop a distributorship life would be good. They did sell me a bike though.
Road Rash Heals. Freckles Grow Back. Ride
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