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Here we go again with I'm right and everyone else is wrong BS.
Aaah, well, seein' as how I know I'm right here Ian...AT LEAST in THIS case when it comes to how well LANE-SPITTING works out there in one of your "favorite places" of "La La Land" AND because of my "personal history and experiences" on the subject...well, I sure hope I'm not "hurtin' your little feelin's" and/or makin' ya feel as if I'm somehow "insulting your intelligence" here yet again by pressing MY points by use of all this pointed little "humor" of mine, dude.
(...as I know how that sort'a thing has always weighed so heavily upon you..ESPECIALLY!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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If I remember right the police report on Friar's accident said there were no other cars around him that caused the accident and he was in the far left commuter lane. So no, I do no think he was lane splitting. My "guess", is he looked up and saw the traffic stopped and locked his brakes up, like I did last fall. The brakes on the R-III classic were huge. Anti-lock brakes could have possibly saved his life. My next bike will have ABS.
YEP! From all reports(the few we were allowed to know anyway), this WAS the manner in which the good Friar was taken from us...and since his untimely departure I will agree with the oft-stated comment that this place is a FAR less fun place to visit....and PROBABLY because John and I SHARED this same "pointed" sense of humor!!!!!!!!!
(...no offense to Jim and the rest of the Admin and the Moderator corps here, as I DO appreciate all your efforts in keeping this place goin')
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Then right on to the condescending attitude, very predictable. It's Dwights opinion so it must be correct for everyone everywhere.Remember I drive a tow truck and I have some experience on the subject as well, I keep speedy dry and rubber gloves in my truck for the results of lane splitting.
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Then right on to the condescending attitude, very predictable. It's Dwights opinion so it must be correct for everyone everywhere.Remember I drive a tow truck and I have some experience on the subject as well, I keep speedy dry and rubber gloves in my truck for the results of lane splitting.
So, ya wanna talk about "condescension" here, eh buddy?!
Well then, what say we do a little recap of this thread and specifically YOUR very first comment posted within it...
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"California is the land of stupid ideas, and an abundance of them."
Well now, if THAT isn't one broad-brush, dismissive and yes CONDESCENDING comment made about an entire state and by implication the people therein, AND a comment which I KNOW was not made in any kind of joking manner by you, AND a comment which really ISN'T about the SPECIFIC issue of "Lane-Splitting", then I don't know what the hell IS?!!
You see Ian, what you've never seemed to recognize here is that YOU can often be JUST as "condescending" as I can, but what always stuck in YOUR craw is that I can usually "OUT-condescend" YOU whenever you make these kind of comments.
Yep, THAT'S right! You see, you and I are REALLY much more alike than you have ever seemed to consider. I mean, why the hell do you think we've been knocking heads since almost day-one around here, HUH?! Yep, THAT'S why!
And btw regarding your thought that "your experiences" back there "reconfirm" your opinion about THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC, well sir, have I not ALSO made the comment since "day-one" and the first time THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE arose and one of the first times we ever "butted heads" that because of LACK of experience and practice the cagers AND the motorcyclists possess in your neck of the woods and everywhere else in this country other than in California, that THIS would probably be the very reason that this practice will never BE accepted in places where it's never been accepted BEFORE, and so would NOT the idea that BECAUSE of this lack of experience AND acceptance of this makes YOUR experience "as a tow truck driver in NE PA and having to clean up after riders who've crashed because of doing this" somewhat irrelevant in regard to how it CAN BE and most often IS practiced SAFELY out there in "La La Land"?
(...and now, if you find what I've written here as being "Dwight just being 'condescending' yet again", well then, so be it, sir...but all that will THEN tell me is that despite my long-winded explanation in hopes of clearing the air here, the issue of LANE-SPLITTING in CALIFORNIA won't be the ONLY issue you unfortunately still "won't get"!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Just Chillin'in La la land, This guy has several vids on YouTube. Funny shat. Lane split  another one
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Heck talk about Lane Splitting made it to the Business News Network this morning right between Bullish on Oil and a new device to internally monitor airliners. (http://flyht.com/ if you are interested) Said they were concidering it in Lotus Land aka. British Columbia and Ontario to relieve conjestion on the roads.
It won't happen in Quebec they don't trust drivers doing a right hand turn on a red on the island of Montreal.
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Just Chillin'in La la land,
This guy has several vids on YouTube.
Funny shat.
Lane split
another one
 
Yep, and then there ARE the idiots who don't know how to do this sort of thing correctly, Mike! And thus the very reason California is now attempting after all these years to "codify" the safe manner in which to do this.
And now and seein' as you've brought up THOSE idiots, couldn't this be analogized to how some irresponsible and/or clueless gun owners, and SOMETIMES even those who are supposedly "well trained", can occasionally cause havoc around them TOO?
YOU know, like THIS...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGCKFzGAfQ0
Yep, but then again as many around HERE would probably say, "Just because SOME people don't know how to handle their tools correctly, doesn't mean we should restrict those tools or the free use of them!"
(...hope I've made my point here...I don't think my "analogy" here was far off-the-mark...and no, this was NOT offered up in efforts to now start some kind'a damn "gun control debate"...nope, ONLY to show that there will ALWAYS be people who lack the common sense to operate a "tool" safely!!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Dwight, it isn't that you out do me in any way it is I lose interest in the argument as I have now, it would just go on forever like it used to and I just don't have the energy after working all day.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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Just Chillin'in La la land,
This guy has several vids on YouTube.
Funny shat.
Lane split
another one
Those were pretty good. I loved his imitation of George Bush when he decided not to go between that truck and the car."not going to do it"
"Catching a yellow jacket in your shirt at seventy miles per hour can double your vocabulary" Author unknown
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Dwight, it isn't that you out do me in any way it is I lose interest in the argument as I have now, it would just go on forever like it used to and I just don't have the energy after working all day.
Oh, well, in THAT case I can now understand why you're so grumpy occasionally.
(...still being in the weary work-a-day world and all, and not pleasantly retired to a life of luxury like I am!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I don't work 8 hr days either I am on call 24 hrs 4 days this week. Going on about 4 hrs sleep since Wednesday morning.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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Well, ya know Ian, I've always understood the concept of "The Weary Work-a-Day World" as pretty much havin' ANY job that only allows someone FOUR freakin' hours of sleep in a SIXTY hour time span!!! (...but I know what ya mean...be careful out there if they call ya to work, okay?!...I'd really miss bein' able to yank your chain if you weren't around here anymore, ya know)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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My friend told me yesterday he was lane splitting only through stopped traffic at about 30kph, and a ****** ****** opened her door on him intentionally.He got through the gap but only just.Scared the hell out of him.I said he should have spit in her eye but he wears a full face! It's only been legal for about a year and there's more instances of these ****** jealous immature arsehole car driver incidents happening.Thank the stars I live in a small town where this ****** doesn't happen.On the way to the Gold Coast a while back I had a **** pulling a caravan try to block my passage!  He didn't.But that was before it was legal.
Dinosaur.
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"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
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In theory lane splitting sounds good, but some people can't understand the meaning of red lights, yield signs or passing on the right. They (the Government or law enforcement) should have bill boards or one of those construction info boards informing drivers of "new" laws, instead of drivers making up their own, and it usually ends bad for the biker regardless who was/is right. 
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Here in Florida eyes lane split the 'hanging chad' way. Like when I-95 was stopped due to a semi tracker trailer lounging on it's side. The zumo says 5 miles to the next exit, even as the exit I just rode past is right over my right shoulder. With some thought and looking at another 450 miles, yep, hung a ralph, and heading just like Led Zeplin as 'Out through the in door, er ramp' lol. There was a pickup truck going the same way in reverse at a, I swear, 40 mph. Made it easy. Lane Splitting? In a New York minute. 
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Lane splitting/filtering is a very easy concept, that most people just cannot grasp until they actually do it. There will always be that 1% that ruins it for everyone else that does it correctly.
When I lived in California in the early 80's I commuted to work on my 1980 Honda Goldwing (GL1000). I lived in Riverside and commuted to Anaheim on the Riverside 91 Freeway. Filtering was the only way to go. At least once I was saved by filtering. The car behind me, when traffic slowed down, didn't and rear ended the car that was in front of me.
Also when I lived in California the Highway Patrol would not pull you over for speeding as long as you were going with the flow. Once you tried to go faster than the flow and started weaving in out of traffic, then they would nail you. They wouldn't sight you for speeding, but reckless driving. The same went for filtering as long as you only did 15 to 20 MPH over the flow and stayed in between the same 2 lanes you were good. Once you started moving between lanes or even worst the shoulder to filter, then they would stop you.
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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I'm all for not being stuck in traffic, but stoned, drunk, and inattentive drivers freak me out enough. Seems like every time I go for a lengthy ride, some dink cager tries to kill me. Upping the odds by lane splitting? Maybe every once in a while, if I feel lucky..
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Now here is one place we can agree,if I am in a traffic jam that is not moving I will ride safe and slow up the shoulder. This is legal in PA but the cops will try and ticket you. The law goes back to the 1920s to allow air cooled machines to keep moving as not to over heat.
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Upping the odds by lane splitting? Maybe every once in a while, if I feel lucky..
See Dwight, you are already making some headway with the anti-lane splitters. 
"Catching a yellow jacket in your shirt at seventy miles per hour can double your vocabulary" Author unknown
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When I lived in California in the early 80's I commuted to work on my 1980 Honda Goldwing (GL1000).
You answered a question I had about lane splitting. Most of the videos you see on lane splitting show roadsters or nimble fast bikes like the Speed/Street Triples. Seems like it would be harder for big bikes but I guess you would just wait for a wider gap between vehicles. Hey I'm game for anything it will get me through snarled traffic faster especially if it is above 90 degrees. Which proves you can teach an old dog, new tricks.
"Catching a yellow jacket in your shirt at seventy miles per hour can double your vocabulary" Author unknown
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No way I would do it. Legal or not. Too many crazy drivers out there dying to show their road rage. 
Paul, as you may remember, for years at this website I've tried to explain to so many of you who live in other parts of the country how this native Californian for decades found lane-splitting to be in many cases not only a safer alternative than strict adherence to "lane discipline" in that state but that ALSO how the idea of pissing cagers off because of it is a very VERY rare occurrence in California and because of its decades and decades of acceptance by the general population of Californians, and unlike an apparent mindset in most other parts of the country where cagers and motorcyclists with no "historical culture" of this practice happening seem to think it's somehow "rude" and/or "dangerous".
You know, now that I think about it I have tried lane splitting.
On the way to the Ga. rally a couple of years ago there was a line of traffic about 20 miles or more long before you get to Memphis due to construction. It was pretty warm and some of the truckers were kind of waving me on. So at a bout 10-15 mph I started going between the traffic in the far right two lanes. There were a few truckers that tried to block me but it was easy to out-maneuver them. I was pretty nervous about it because I am pretty sure it was illegal in AR. I was also going on the burm and pulled in just in time before a trooper came down the wrong way going back west. I finally got off at an exit and I think I headed south. I vowed to find another way back home but on the way back there was no traffic like that. I think it had to do with the time of day. It was midday going east and 8 or 9 pm coming back. So see Dwight I am not as much of a rookie at the above subject as I originally thought. 
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Maybe real narrow handlebars would increase the odds of surviving? So narrow, you need a video camera set up to get a rear view. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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Maybe real narrow handlebars would increase the odds of surviving? So narrow, you need a video camera set up to get a rear view. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Ryk, due to the limited space available in order to expand and add more lanes to many of the freeways located in SoCal and because of the already developed land adjacent to the existing freeways, I've found the freeway lanes there have narrower lanes than I've found in many other parts of this country and due the practice of adding a new lane by making the existing lanes narrower, and YET even with the relatively wide handlebars we have on our Bonnie Americas, I found there still to be sufficient room to ride between the cars when I lived in that overcrowded mess of a city.(and once again, hence my move to the small and picturesque town of Sedona AZ after my retirement...too many people there in SoCal now days...and of ALL sorts!)
And regarding the issue of "Safety", one more thing I'd like to bring up here(and yes, I know I'm now probably beating the proverbial deceased equine by this time) is to once again press the point of how much safer motorcycle riding is when we motorcyclists are allowed to roll up between and to the front of a line-up of cars sitting at a stoplight, and then as I mentioned earlier when that light changes to green, the motorcyclist can accelerate way ahead of those cars and thus leaving all those cagers far behind us, and NOT among us in close proximity.
(...seems you guys are forgetting about THAT here, 'cause I haven't read any replies to THAT since the last time I mentioned it in this here thread!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Those wonderful Cali drivers; http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Wo...-305502841.html
Well Steve, let's not forget here that this report ALSO claims the woman who purposely ran over that "wonderful Cali motorcyclist" says that HE kicked in her door after their INITIAL little encounter, and thus "perhaps" NEEDLESSLY exacerbating the situation, RIGHT???!!!
(...yep, in OTHER words, MAYBE that Cali motorcyclist would have been WELL advised to just "let it go" and then LATER write HIMSELF a little song like that there Good Ol' Georgia Boy did when HE was cut off by some azzhole on that Interstate "y'all" got back there, RIGHT???!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I did consider that - until I read the reports that she had threatened others with the same fate. Documented. Not saying that this incident was prompted by splitting/filtering (since the dead mans isn't talking), but pointing out the aggressive attitude of many of those folk piloting these 2 ton hunks of steel. And this in a state that has 20+ years experience accommodating motorcycles in congested traffic. BTW, put me on a Ducati and other than a Multistrada, I think I'd ergonomically have problems kicking anything. Like I've said before, I don't have a problem with anybody splitting lanes. I'll even concede the reports that show the reduction in rear end collisions (though why a motorcyclist would stop directly behind a car in traffic eludes me). It's just that what works in Cali doesn't always work everywhere else. Maybe we're just stupider - that is what most Californians think isn't it? (I'd insert the obligatory redneck pickup truck joke here, but I know you have one in the garage.) Be safe out there. Edit: Latest witness statement says the Ducati rider was splitting lanes on I-5 and she sideswiped him. He may or may not have kicked out, but either way, he moved on. She followed him for several miles. There is video of the chase online.
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I did consider that - until I read the reports that she had threatened others with the same fate. Documented. Not saying that this incident was prompted by splitting/filtering (since the dead mans isn't talking), but pointing out the aggressive attitude of many of those folk piloting these 2 ton hunks of steel. And this in a state that has 20+ years experience accommodating motorcycles in congested traffic.
BTW, put me on a Ducati and other than a Multistrada, I think I'd ergonomically have problems kicking anything.
Like I've said before, I don't have a problem with anybody splitting lanes. I'll even concede the reports that show the reduction in rear end collisions (though why a motorcyclist would stop directly behind a car in traffic eludes me). It's just that what works in Cali doesn't always work everywhere else. Maybe we're just stupider - that is what most Californians think isn't it? (I'd insert the obligatory redneck pickup truck joke here, but I know you have one in the garage.)
Be safe out there. People like this https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/image...E_MvxH5RyBSSmCA are out to get you. Push you and your motorcycle 300 feet and run you over. May she rot in prison.
Yep, even some of us ol' Californians know havin' a pickup truck comes in mighty handy a lot of the times!
(...liked your post here, Steve...stay safe out there yourself!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I had never tried lane splitting until five years ago when I was in LA and San Diego. After my experience living in SoCal from 77 thru 87 I was amazed at how courteous the drivers were about it. On the other hand, as wide as my bike is, an America may not be the best bike for it. A skinny little 600cc sport bike would have made it a lot easier.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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