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And the newest Japanese Harley Sportster rip-off is the Star Bolt. LINK
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I saw the title and got a good chuckle. When I was a Yute, I used to date a girl named Star Bolt, seriously. Her folks were old smelly hippies that didn't shower very often. I think they were French too. 
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i know the feelin dinkums
we should do this every weekend!
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Where have I seen this before....  ? Great looking bike! 
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I missed the earlier thread on the Bolt.
I wish the Japanese would start building a bunch of copies of BMW boxers or something and leave Harley alone.
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Its a funny old world, BMW are now making excellent copies of the Japanese bikes.
But back to the Star Bolt, Looks Ok, but I would buy an 883 Iron. Had a test ride on one the other day, quite like it.
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At Lowe's we have a new line of wrenches that will undo a star bolt.
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Ho Hum. Another Hardley clone. Pretty boring. 
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I could not find a stated horsepower/torque rating, well in a comparo vs. video, the blonde biker/hippie dude, says great power, just not how much. Is it my bad eyes or does the website tell us? They may not be exactly proud of the numbers, ergo, the deliberate omission.
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The 950 v star is the same I think. It performs good but most testers complained that it was to low. Its not going to be a rocket shipped a 950 V twin is not that big its the same as buying a 883 sporster ya its fun but at the end of the day you will want something bigger.
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I think it would make a pretty nice lookin' Street Tracker.
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Good looking bike, with the usual outstanding Yamaha quality.
A V twin is hardly a unique concept for a motorcycle, and doesnt make any/all that use it a clone to HD.
Its kind of funny to see the cry of wanting HD "left alone", as that head in the sand thought process has allowed HD to live in its old ways. The best thing for HD is competition, to make the best product that they can. They have a great sense of personality/identity in their bikes, great finishes, and a wealth accessories to add to them, even quite versatile and inventive in what they come up with. Yet there are many out there who desire superior performance, be it handling and power, or a different look. The Bolt just adds to the mix of choices out there, and with the reserve shocks, nice brakes, and the brass accents available, they add some nice touches.
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Not bad for what it is. That cyclops tail light must go, though. And the pegs need to be moved forward.
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Not a bad looking bike, although they claim it as a modern Bobber...I am glad that is nothing of the sort. As for the Iron 883...I think when it comes to reliability I would go with the Asian bike (yeah, I know that HD is more reliable than years back). I can't believe that The Springer Bobber Solo Seat is $459.00!!! I guess a Springer front end would run you an extra 2k or so, lol. To each his own, I love my little 865 and will go head to head any day of the week with the Bolt.
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As for the Iron 883...I think when it comes to reliability I would go with the Asian bike (yeah, I know that HD is more reliable than years back).
Well if that's how you feel why aren't you riding a "reliable" Japanese rip-off of a classic British bike? I hated the Kawasaki W650 for the same reason.
edit: I don't dislike the w650 or the Bolt because they are Japanese. I don't like them because they are obviously trying to capitalize on other manufacturer's image / heritage. Only the Japanese can get away with this crap if Harley, Ducati, BMW or any other manufacturer built a bike like the W650 the motorcycle community would freak out...but it's like we almost expect this crap from the Japanese.
But I very much like the Honda CB1100...a classic UJM. Now if only Honda dealers would get some to demo ride...
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A V twin is hardly a unique concept for a motorcycle, and doesnt make any/all that use it a clone to HD.
It's not just the engine the entire bike is a Sportster rip-off, and face it that is exactly what Yamaha/Star intended.
Star. Interesting, even the name was changed for the American market to sound less foreign.
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I like it. I think it looks great,especially the tail light.
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As for the Iron 883...I think when it comes to reliability I would go with the Asian bike (yeah, I know that HD is more reliable than years back).
Well if that's how you feel why aren't you riding a "reliable" Japanese rip-off of a classic British bike? I hated the Kawasaki W650 for the same reason.
edit: I don't dislike the w650 or the Bolt because they are Japanese. I don't like them because they are obviously trying to capitalize on other manufacturer's image / heritage. Only the Japanese can get away with this crap if Harley, Ducati, BMW or any other manufacturer built a bike like the W650 the motorcycle community would freak out...but it's like we almost expect this crap from the Japanese.
But I very much like the Honda CB1100...a classic UJM. Now if only Honda dealers would get some to demo ride...
Because it's a Triumph, not an HD or Yami, Suzuki, Honda...do I have to remind you that our Triumphs are unique and what clone of a good Brit bike is out there?
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Because it's a Triumph...
Mine is a Thaiumph 
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Because it's a Triumph, not an HD or Yami, Suzuki, Honda...do I have to remind you that our Triumphs are unique and what clone of a good Brit bike is out there?
"What clone of a Brit bike is out there?" That Kawasaki W650 in the picture is certainly impersonating a Triumph Bonneville.
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Are you sure its not really closer to a BSA?
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A V twin is hardly a unique concept for a motorcycle, and doesnt make any/all that use it a clone to HD.
It's not just the engine the entire bike is a Sportster rip-off, and face it that is exactly what Yamaha/Star intended.
Star. Interesting, even the name was changed for the American market to sound less foreign.
Pretty uptight about this bike, arent you? Its hardly a copy as it has its own design cues that arent HD related, and really, many bikes derive styling and tech from others. For example, HD copied Curtiss on the VTwin, they also made the Sportster with design elements to copy the dominating British bikes of the time. So what?
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Because it's a Triumph, not an HD or Yami, Suzuki, Honda...do I have to remind you that our Triumphs are unique and what clone of a good Brit bike is out there?
"What clone of a Brit bike is out there?" That Kawasaki W650 in the picture is certainly impersonating a Triumph Bonneville.
Does not say much for the imitator:
"In the United States and Canada the W650 was imported from 1999 until 2000. With weak US and Canadian sales and the introduction of the competing "retro" Bonneville by Triumph, Kawasaki concentrated sales in Europe and Japan".
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Because it's a Triumph, not an HD or Yami, Suzuki, Honda...do I have to remind you that our Triumphs are unique and what clone of a good Brit bike is out there?
"What clone of a Brit bike is out there?" That Kawasaki W650 in the picture is certainly impersonating a Triumph Bonneville.
OB, considering as it appears you have a strong opinion about, let us say, "nationality-based design elements of motorcycles", then I have to wonder if maybe you might also feel the same way about Triumph's Speed Triple, as that machine's design elements were and are based upon modern-day Japanese Sportbikes "post-crashed"/"Hooligan" motorcycles as you probably know(i.e. fairing-less early GSXRs and others), and with really the only difference being an inline-3 cylinder instead of a inline-4 cylinder engine.
And, while I tend to agree with you about Japan Incorporated's tendency to make "copies" of other styles, the reason I bring this up is because I felt you might be overlooking the thought that in today's market there are a few other examples of motorcycle companies located other than in Japan who have "borrowed" styles from other sources.
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and with really the only difference being an inline-3 cylinder instead of a inline-4 cylinder engine.
Exactly why Triumph dropped all their 4-cyl bikes...product identity. Classic Triumphs were known for their twins and triples but when they returned to the market with modern sport bikes they built 4-cylinder engines then decided to return to triples only.
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 When you see a boxer twin like this classic what comes to mind first? BMW of course. But this bike is a Harley-Davidson built during WW2 at the request of the U.S. Army when they saw the shaft drive German BMWs performance in harsh desert enviroment. After the war Harley could have continued to build and improve in the boxer twin design but I suppose they decided that wasn't their style.
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Are you sure its as simple a reason as that?
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Yes. 
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Yep Todd, OB's explanation for the short-lived Harley Boxer-engine motorcycle is correct as far as I know, also. Another interesting short-lived variation on this military story is this shaft-drive Indian 841 longitudinal V-Twin(similar to the later to come Moto Guzzi V-Twins) which was Indian's alternative design sold to the U.S.Army during WWII. 
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I think that the Kawasaki W650 is a better looking clone of the older Triumphs. They did a better job of cloning the Bonneville than Triumph did.
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Just read in a Mag 46 HP and 55 Ft Lbs Torque for the mighty bolt!
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Just read in a Mag 46 HP and 55 Ft Lbs Torque for the mighty bolt!
That's ALMOST as bad as ours! 
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Just read in a Mag 46 HP and 55 Ft Lbs Torque for the mighty bolt!
That's ALMOST as bad as ours! ...
The Bolt is 942cc tho...
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Just read in a Mag 46 HP and 55 Ft Lbs Torque for the mighty bolt!
Measured to what correction and at the crank or wheel?
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They did not elaborate, just had time to read those numbers stated (I know, vague). I found the review it in some Cruiser Mag. and then they called my name, so I couldn't read the whole article. If those are true values at any RPM, that's on the weak side for the stated displacement. IMHO
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They did not elaborate, just had time to read those numbers stated (I know, vague). I found the review it in some Cruiser Mag. and then they called my name, so I couldn't read the whole article. If those are true values at any RPM, that's on the weak side for the stated displacement. IMHO
I appreciate you posting what you saw, however we both know without knowing what device was used to measure & to what standard & correction, the numbers can't be meaningfully compared.
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I would be very surprised if the Bolt outperforms the America. I've ridden quite a few Sportsters over the years and have always felt that the America seems to run somewhere in between the 883 and the 1200. I also think for the price I was right to go with the America vs. waiting on some thing like the bolt.
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My local Yamaha dealer had Demo rides on the Bolt on Saturday (& free BBQ too). I opened their email on Sunday. 
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I live in the sun downunder
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And comes with a 1 year limited factory warranty.
Is that how long they think it will last?.
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