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...I am a little offended that you think I can't appreciate them without really liking the style.
Well Ian, ya see, whenever ANYBODY calls a motorcycle such as this new Norton "UGLY"(which I remind you, you HAVE in this thread), it would be NORMAL for "some people" to have the tendency to think that you're not "appreciating" said motorcycle!!! Ya see what I MEAN here?! And dude, I'VE seen some REALLY "ugly" motorcycles in my time, and while these new Nortons may not be to YOUR personal liking, they are FAR from "ugly"!!!!!!!!!!
Look, I understand you don't like riding in a tucked "Sportbike" position at your age, and from what I gather here, you've probably NEVER liked riding a motorcycle with that sort of riding position. Heck, at MY age, which I believe is "a few" years older than yourself, I'm not particular comfortable on Sportbikes myself. BUT, once again, just because YOU personally don't like to ride in a sportbike position, does NOT make these new Nortons, or for THAT matter any modern sportbike "ugly".
And btw, some of these new Nortons have regular handlebars affixed to them and a foot peg position right under the rider, and not just Cafe Racer style clip-ons and rear sets.
(...and re "my pedestal"...just because I'm pointing out what I view is YOUR somewhat limited abilities to "appreciate" many other styles of motorcycles and to flat-out decree that some motorcycles which you don't like to ride as "ugly", would NOT put MY statement coming from ANY kind of "pedestal"...YOU'RE the one making "DECREES from a pedestal" here, ol' buddy!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I personally like this Norton but defends Ian's right to say its ugly. His opinion is valid. Ugly just means it has no aesthetic value. To him that may be true.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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See there you go again Dwight, there is not now nor was there ever anything limited about my abilities to do most anything I want to do but yet because I don't like something that you do you put yourself above me and state my abilities are limited. I think it's ugly. I don't like anything about the styling except the drive train and maybe the gas tank a little. That does not mean I have any limited ability except to agree with you witch I do not. I find YOUR ( see ,I can use caps and parentheses too doesn't make me better) condescending attitude offencive. You are not pointing out anything you are using terminology to try and take a stance of being correct and thus me incorrect, not the case. I happen to be correct because it is my opinion just as to you your opinion is correct. It is only "far from ugly" to you, once again an opinion. To me it is an oozing boil on the cottage cheese buttocks of a 400lb fat woman with a hair growing out of it.
I make no decrees as you do I simply stated my opinion. Blather on I am done with this it isn't getting either of us anywhere.
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I'm glad there is no political thread.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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He could have said it smells like rice.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Both works for me ...Now how does one go ahead and make their bike smell like Rice ? Do you add rice to the fuel tank? And is that brown rice or yellow?? 
Are we there YET? I gotta go pee!!
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. ...To me it is an oozing boil on the cottage cheese buttocks of a 400lb fat woman with a hair growing out of it....
Some guys like big women!!!
I don't care for crotch rockets too much either, but that won't stop me from taking a ride on one.
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I don't know about rice, but you can try these... how about some "Groovy Grape"? http://www.summitracing.com/search/Brand...s/?autoview=sku
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I don't say it much on here but I am a firm believer that friend don't let friends ride rice.
I like that Ian 
I don't say it much either though. To each his own.
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I'm glad there is no political thread.
Yeah, I was thinkin' the same thing, Chad!
(...who needs politics and religion around here when we can get carried away on the issue of the relative beauty of some motorcycles, eh?!)  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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beauty is in the eye of the beholder
ENJOY!!!!! NEWT!!!!!
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Eeh! I still think at you're a big close-minded lug, Ian!  Of course, THAT doesn't mean I don't like you, you big close-minded lug!!!  Oh, and btw...just for your information, 'cause evidently you haven't figured this out, the REASON I do this whole uppercase thing on certain words in my sentences, is because I want people who are reading my text to "hear my voice" in those texts, and thus those particular words which I uppercase are meant as "inflections" in "my voice". (...I learned that from watchin' Al Gore, ya see...'cause if there was EVER a guy who could utilize the power of INFLECTION while delivering a speech, it "sure" was HIM, wouldn't ya agree?!...naaaah, OF COURSE I'm kiddin' there!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Well newt, if THAT was your way of sayin' in the case of these new Nortons that Ian might benefit from the trip to his Optometrist(that's an "eye doctor", NOT someone who always looks on the bright side o' things), then I couldn't agree with you MORE!!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I'm glad there is no political thread.
Yeah, just think how many albums Journey would sell if there was 
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Not giving me enough credit Dwight, I get the upper case bit. My eyes are not what they used to be but I see that new Norton just fine, unfortunately. Like I said about my other friend, who I was just talking to again tonight but not politics this time, I don't have to always agree with you to like you or be your friend.
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And he DOES talk just like that too.
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And he DOES talk just like that too.
lmAo!
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I have heard it can be quite the ordeal trying to get a Norton here in the USA. A fellow was telling me he has been nearly a year waiting on his. Some thing about the EPA. They been holding a five thousand dollar deposit. Dude could have been talking outta school but I don't know why he would.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Yep Chad. Sorry to say, but that dude wasn't talkin' outta school at all.
There have been a number of delays involved with getting the new Nortons out in the marketplace, and which where originally slated to become available for purchase over two years ago now. Some of these delays were caused by general R&D problems with the bike and some have been caused by their delays in passing EPA guidelines.
Over two years ago I was at South Bay Triumph In SoCal when Stuart Garner, the new owner of Norton Motorcycles, happened to be there. We talked for about half hour about his purchasing of what remained of Kenny Dreer's bankrupt attempt at reviving and modernizing the Norton brand, and he also told me a bit of his business plan for his venture. At that time he had hoped to have the bikes available for purchase by April of 2010, and even in California where C.A.R.B. emission standards are the strictest in the nation.
However, as that guy told you, here we are about a year and a half after that date, and still as far as I know, there aren't any new Nortons on American roads.
(...and from what I hear, there's very few even on English roads)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Perhaps if Polaris had acquired Norton, instead of Indian, things would be reversed. Both are niche market bikes, seems to me, Nortons would be just as easy to de-bug and re establish a dealer network. V-twins are like horse apples in the street a hundred years ago, but not so, the classic English design.
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(...and from what I hear, there's very few even on English roads)
I saw one in Hinckley the other day 
It sounded nice
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What difference does it make when they get here? They are ugly anyway.
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What difference does it make when they get here? They are ugly anyway.
Sooooo Ian, lemme guess here. From how I'm readin' your taste in motorsickles, what with all this "chopper business" you seem sooooo fond of, I'm kinda guessin' that YOU might think that the old Norton Hi-Rider here...
...was just about THE "best lookin'" Norton motorcycle of all time....RIGHT?!
(...well, I'll betcha I'm CLOSE anyway, EH?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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No I don't like the seat, blinkers, pipes or handlebars.
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No I don't like the seat, blinkers, pipes or handlebars.
Well, in the immortal words of Claude Rains in the classic film "Casablanca"...I'm SHOCKED to learn this!!!
However, UNLIKE Claude when he discovers that Rick has gambling goin' on in his Cafe, I REALLY AM SHOCKED to learn this.
(...ya see, I would've bet my bottom dollar that those handlebars ALONE would've had you swooning!!!...to say NOTHIN' about that that motorcycle there has a KICKSTARTER on it!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Like the bike over all if those parts mentioned were regular like on a 73 Commando. I have never been an ape hanger fan. They look cool on some customs but never for me or on a bike like that.
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Yes an Indian....if built before 1952. NORTON !
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Yep Chad. Sorry to say, but that dude wasn't talkin' outta school at all.
There have been a number of delays involved with getting the new Nortons out in the marketplace, and which where originally slated to become available for purchase over two years ago now. Some of these delays were caused by general R&D problems with the bike and some have been caused by their delays in passing EPA guidelines.
Over two years ago I was at South Bay Triumph In SoCal when Stuart Garner, the new owner of Norton Motorcycles, happened to be there. We talked for about half hour about his purchasing of what remained of Kenny Dreer's bankrupt attempt at reviving and modernizing the Norton brand, and he also told me a bit of his business plan for his venture. At that time he had hoped to have the bikes available for purchase by April of 2010, and even in California where C.A.R.B. emission standards are the strictest in the nation.
However, as that guy told you, here we are about a year and a half after that date, and still as far as I know, there aren't any new Nortons on American roads.
(...and from what I hear, there's very few even on English roads)
Don't seem like a very effective business model.
There are not many bikes out there that I don't find interesting. I guess the modern jap cruisers seem like rice flavored yogurt, so they don't do anything for me. Although I like older Jap bikes like the ones from the 70s.
That being said nearly all other bikes have some character that turns me on about it.
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You're right Chad, not a very effective business model, but then, I think their pricing is OTT
My rule of thumb thinking is 1 Norton costs about 3 Triumphs, so, even if I could afford a Norton, would I dare ride it?
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I would buy the 3 Triumphs instead.
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Definitely a NORTON!! Is Norton still going though? I talked to someone a couple weeks ago and he said that Norton was out again as Kenny Dreer couldn't get enough backers with money to put up. Anyone hear this? I would have really liked to see them make it!
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hey Ron,Norton is back in England and has been out of Kenny's hand for a couple yrs now, if all go's well someday we should see them on these roads but i aint holdin my breath 
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A Boat!!!
Sorry Beavis, but a Harley Road Glide wasn't one of the choices here!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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