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I'd have to go with Indian. First, I'm old and slow so I wouldn't utillize or fully appreciate the Norton's attributes. Then, I have good memories of a former childhood neighbor who used to race for Indian and told me many of his stories, with photos - before WWI ended that phase of his life (taking one of his legs with it).
Ran into another old racer years later who raced HD against my former neighbor. Cool stories those old guys had.
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Neither. I already own an old Norton(what a motorcycle!) so I would hunt down an old Indian or at least the Indians Kiwi was building a couple of years ago. They had the old Indian DNA built into them. The Indians built by Victory will never have Indian DNA no matter what they look like.But if I was 20 years younger I sure would like to get my hands on one of those new Speed Triples. I rode one 2 weeks ago for one mile then got off of it. What a death machine.I had to change my shorts. My America wouldn't go that fast if I dropped it out of a plane 2 miles high.Props to Victory and Norton though. Glad to see they are making comebacks.
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"YOU Norton...err JIM, are a MENTAL CASE!!!"
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Hey Doug, have ya got the whole starting sequence thing figured out on that beautiful old Fastback of yours yet?  (...or does that right leg o' yours now resemble one that Lance Armstrong himself would be proud of???)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Dr said I have developed elephantitis in my right leg. And I still don't know how to perform turn signal movements with my left arm while down shifting. But 0-100 makes my BA feel like a donkey. Holly cow. It lifted the front tire when I shifted from 1st to 2nd. Found out that the PO had installed the 72 Combat head and a Norris cam. Scary fun.Wonderful machine.
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NEAT!!!  (...though not that "elephantitis" part, of course)
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Don't like Indians (motorcycles that is).. never have, easy choice!
But they want waaaay too much money for both in my opinion.
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Norton,
I already have a cruiser I like too much to replace.
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only because of the lack of dealer network and available parts i would be a little hesitant to get a Norton, and thats really why i would have to go with the Indian. i feel as if Indian being owned by Polaris now, there is new hope for the rebirth of Indian this time. I really like the new Norton, and i am sure its as goodabike as you would expect from the that side of the pond but i am not comfortable on that style bike these days, the body dont like that position for very long anymore hahahahaha MAN!! tough choice but i think i will go with the Indian
 i dont really like v-twins, but i do like the look of the bottletop engine Indian is useing
I agree with you with respect to parts and service. If you plan on doing long tours and you need service on the road Indian will be the better choice. They are beautiful bikes.
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I'm set for Cruisers (I'm im a committed relationship with Elvira) so I couldn't go Norton or Indian (although I like aspects of both). If I could bring anything back I would go with a good dirt bike like my old Bultaco Pursang 250.
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Old Indian, Gilroy Indian or today's Indian?
I rode a new Chief Blackhawk, lumbering, awkward and slow.... no thanks to all of the previous mentioned and a 30k + price tag. Polaris, I hope will trim some fat while keeping the Indian design and lower the price.
Too old to ride a Norton proper so I will stick to my America. If I had the money to blow it would be Ural Retro.
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I would like to have the new Norton engine, trans ,and primary to build a custom of my own to fit me like I did with my 66 TR6C that I rode for so many years.
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If you folks want a Norton I know the guy who is selling this one. First year for the Fastback Commando. 1968. It is beautiful: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/mcy/2546823879.html
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WOW!!! Now THAT'S a beauty alright, Doug! And for 50% of what one of those new Nortons will cost, TOO!!!  The only problem I have here is that I've got exactly 0% of the cost of one those new Nortons in order to purchase that baby.  (...ahh, such is the plight of us retirees living on a fixed income here in the beautiful mountains of north-central Arizona, ya know!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Norton. Rode a brand new Indian and it was nice looking but what a piece of crap mechanically.
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I know nothing about the mechanics but a few of those new indians look damn nice!!
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Norton Norton Norton .. but 3 Old School nice machines .. not the new stuff.. I'm getting to dislike chrome plastic..
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I would love to put the modern Norton engine and tranny in a chopper.
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Norton Norton Norton .. but 3 Old School nice machines .. not the new stuff.. I'm getting to dislike chrome plastic..
I could be wrong, but I don't think there's any chromed plastic anywhere on the new Nortons, Jim.
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Looks like a jap crotch rocket with a cool engine in it though. 
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I would love to put the modern Norton engine and tranny in a chopper.
Then in THAT case Ian, PLEASE sell me the rest of it so I can make a motorcycle that still handles well and that I can use in the twisties around here!
(...yep, I'll find somethin' to put in that frame and keep all that beautiful bodywork, alright!)
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Looks like a jap crotch rocket with a cool engine in it though.
"JAP CROTCH ROCKET"???????
SURELY you jest, Ian! DUDE! These new Nortons have "Vintage British Cafe Racer/Norton Fastback written ALL over 'em!!!!
(...I think you done been into Choppers and Cruisers WAY too long to see this, ol' buddy!)
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Just because it is a chopper doesn't mean it doesn't handle well in the twisties. Short springer with a shock and a hardtail, no weight, I can out run most bikes with that configuration as long as I have the power. That and I would look good doing it. I have a 67 Bonnie on a hardtail frame with a short disc brake front end off of a 70s Suzuki GT380, very hard to keep up with me on that bike. I have ridden hardtails most of my life and once you know how they react you can ride them hard and fast.
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OH, and Ian. For your information, "Jap Crotch Rockets" almost ALWAYS have FULL bodywork that covers their mostly WATER-COOLED engines!!!
(..."jap crotch rocket"....GEEEZ!!!)
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I should say custom since it isn't really a chopper if you didn't chop the original bike.
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OH, and Ian. For your information, "Jap Crotch Rockets" almost ALWAYS have FULL bodywork that covers their mostly WATER-COOLED engines!!!
(..."jap crotch rocket"....GEEEZ!!!)
I don't say it much on here but I am a firm believer that friend don't let friends ride rice.
OK some kind of naked jap thing.Same junk to me, shame to waste such a nice engine on such an ugly bike.
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I should say custom since it isn't really a chopper if you didn't chop the original bike.
Sooooo, you REALLY meant to say instead that you'd like to make a BOBBER out of it, right?!
(...I suppose I could kinda get into that...maybe)
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Nope, not a bobber either since I wouldn't be bobbing the original fenders but building with custom parts.
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OH, and Ian. For your information, "Jap Crotch Rockets" almost ALWAYS have FULL bodywork that covers their mostly WATER-COOLED engines!!!
(..."jap crotch rocket"....GEEEZ!!!)
I don't say it much on here but I am a firm believer that friend don't let friends ride rice.
OK some kind of naked jap thing.
I still say you're WAY off in your assessment of the bike's appearance, Ian.
Once again, you DO realize don't ya that the Brits were making "Cafe Racers" with that abbreviated tail section and lowered handlebar placement years before the Japanese started copying that style for mass-production...RIGHT?!
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What I have in mind is what you guys call a bobber I guess, short dampened springer, Thinking narrow 18" rear wheel, 21" narrow front, King Sportster tank, triangle saddle with springs but not a small uncomfortable one more like the one on my BMW. Maybe even like my BMW where the seat hangs out over nothing on a leaf spring supported in front og the seat and nothing under it. Low bars , forward controls, highly placed large headlight with vintage horn under it, drag pipes, side low mounted tail light, full length narrow ribbed rear fender, same in front.
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OH, and Ian. For your information, "Jap Crotch Rockets" almost ALWAYS have FULL bodywork that covers their mostly WATER-COOLED engines!!!
(..."jap crotch rocket"....GEEEZ!!!)
I don't say it much on here but I am a firm believer that friend don't let friends ride rice.
OK some kind of naked jap thing.
I still say you're WAY off in your assessment of the bike's appearance, Ian.
Once again, you DO realize don't ya that the Brits were making "Cafe Racers" with that abbreviated tail section and lowered handlebar placement years before the Japanese started copying that style for mass-production...RIGHT?!
Those Brit versions were just as ugly, in some cases uglier. Hated that square Triumph gas tank. But still not Jap.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...or is the the beholer? oh well either way. What I like and what anyone else likes doesn't have to be the same, nor should it, we need diversity. You like the new Norton style, good for you, I don't and that's OK too. It looks like it has great suspension but really ugly style to me except that power train.
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Nope, not a bobber either since I wouldn't be bobbing the original fenders but building with custom parts.
Now wait a second here. Were you talkin' about "chopping" the steering head of the bike in order to rake it out and then put extended forks on it or not???
Because, as I've always understood the concept of a true "Chopper", that is what would designate it as such.
Now, if you were talkin' about taking off that VERY SEXY bodywork off of it and then, say, bolting on a traditional looking set of fenders and maybe a more Cruiser-ish looking teardrop gas tank on it, then yes, you'd have "customized" it.
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I am talking about starting with the engine trans and primary and either building a frame or buying one to modify for the drive train. and going from there, no real chopping or bobbing going on at all. I think I would even use a vintage 50s Triumph style ribbed rear fender and same up front.
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...we need diversity
And, in a way, THIS is exactly my point, Ian. We need "diversity" not ONLY among different riders and owners, but in MY opinion, we need "diversity" within OURSELVES!!!
Meaning, that if one limits their OWN ideas that a "real motorcycle" ONLY looks like a 1938 Triumph Speed Twin or a 1936 Harley Knucklehead or a 1964 BMW R60/2, and thus they can not appreciate motorcycles made in the "Cafe Racer" mode or the "Crotch Rocket" mode or the "Adventure Tour" mode, or in fact ALL the many different styles of motorcycles, then WHERE exactly is the "diversity" in THAT???
Look, I see some REALLY nice Old School Harley Choppers around here in Prescott all the time, and I can appreciate them. I also see a few REALLY nice looking Ducati Sportbikes and a few Japanese Sportbikes around here too, and yep, I can also appreciate those.
And so, I suppose I LIKE "diversity", I guess!
And so, what always kind of sticks in my craw are motorcyclists who CAN'T appreciate all the different styles of motorcycles. My view is you don't have to "fall in love" with every motorcycle's appearance and style, but at least one should attempt to "diversity" their "tastes" over the years.
(...and if you THINK about it, this "limited-view" of certain motorcyclists is one of the MAIN reasons why there seems to presently be this "social division" between Harley/Cruiser riders and those who ride other styles of motorcycles, which is certain NOT conducive to the idea of "diversity", now is it?!)
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And, in a way, THIS is exactly my point, Ian. We need "diversity" not ONLY among different riders and owners, but in MY opinion, we need "diversity" within OURSELVES!!!
Like Sybil! Right on I got ya. That's good news for me.
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Diversity and taste are 2 different things. I don't like the riding position of bikes where I have to lean forward or with my feet back, others do. That doesn't make either one of us right or wrong. I am a little offended that you think I can't appreciate them without really liking the style. Nor do I want one but I can appreciate the work ,time, money, engineering etc... that went into them. I also like a diverse collection of motorcycle just not the same set you do and probably not the same set as many others. I never said anyone had to agree with me or that they were wrong in their opinion but , unlike you, I don't suggest anyone else is somehow inferior because they don't agree with my tastes. I don't like the look or riding position of that new Norton, nor do I have to. I appreciate all the fine engineering that went into it and the quality of the parts that went into it, it is still butt ugly to me. My BMW is far from a cruiser, it has a std riding position as do several of my Triumphs like my 54 and 58 T110s or my 72 T120V among others. I tend to like old things and the old styling same goes with cars for me. Given a choice I like cars and trucks styles from the 20s through the late 60s for the most part. Most new cars all look the same to me, that doesn't make me narrow minded any more than liking the bike I do does. Kids at work like these new Hondas and to me they are disposable cars neither one is right just taste. So time to come down off your pedestal and realize not everyone needs to agree with you to be just in their tastes.Just like they don't need to agree with me to be just in their opinions either.
Speaking of Ducati, I like a few of their bikes as I do Guzzis too. Almost bought a V twin Ducati 650 a couple years ago.
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Here's one Norton I would love to throw a leg over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2OpjlYTHYk&feature=player_embedded
See he likes this and to me if it was given to me I would sell it and buy something I want, neither of us is right or wrong.
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No, I have zero appreciation for durned ole crotchety rocketies. It aint the bikes. Its the point that I have never seen a fellow who were ridin one have any respect for anyone else on the road. When they come to rallies they think its their personal responsibility to damage someone else's bike, truck, or camper.
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