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Any one know of a way to get the laws changed on this. I used to ride in CA where it was legal, but Im back in Sweet Home Alabama, where such activity is frowned upon. Not looking to split between at 70mph, just kinda roll past at traffic jams.
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I think lane splitting should be illegal, I know here in PA it will get you killed. In traffic jams in PA it is legal for a bike to ride up the shoulder as long as it is done safely. There is an old law still on the books here allowing a bike to do that because of the air cooled engine. Can't just sit still for a long time or you over heat.
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The cooling is my main issue, Im usually not in a hurry to get anywhere, but is gets f'n hot during the summer months down here. In CA I did take off one guys mirror but i pilled over and got his info and bought him a new one the very next day. Lotsa traffic out there and never had any problems besides the mirror, and i actually knew better, too narrow of a passage that time. But the roads here are wide as a crap, u could drive a tank in between the cars.
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Matt, sorry to tell ya, but you're just gonna have to learn to live with that mentality back East, 'cause they will NEVER "get it" back there....EVER!!! Just read Ian's opinion about this, and you'll see what I'm talkin' about here. It's the same here in Arizona, dude. Yep, it took this ex-Californian here time to adjust to the "backward" and uninformed(due to their lack of experience in this regard) Arizona mindset that "lane-splitting is dangerous". Though in Ian's defense, I think most of his rationale is primarily based on the idea that all the "Good Ol' Boys" and all the "Gombas" back there somehow think "y'all is cheatin' by bein' able to split 'tween our cars with y'alls motorsickles! And so if'n I catches ya doin' it, I'ma gonna open up my car door on y'all's ass! Or, at the very LEAST, I'ma gonna try 'n run y'all's ass off this here road!" Yep, it's kind a "manly/insult thing" to them back there, I guess! SOOOOOOO, as I was sayin' here, just get used to it Bro, 'cause they'll NEVER "get it"...EVER!!! Yep, my advice is to just do what that old sayin' says one should do..."When in Rome, do as the Romans do!" (...of course in Rome, they lane-split ALL the time THERE...but then again, them "eye-talians" over there actually KNOW HOW TO DRIVE..as compared to the average 'Merican!!!!) 
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Cagers don't the BASIC laws like stop and yield signs never mind any NEW laws!!! They don't know how to use their rear view mirrors when they're texting, putting on make-up or reading the sports section(once when I use to commute up in Boston, one guy was reading a hard cover novel)
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Yep Steven. I remember I rented a car once in Boston...and ONCE was ENOUGH!!!! Yep dude, Bostonians are the absolute WORST drivers I've ever seen in my LIFE!!! And yep, I just chalked THAT all up to the idea that Bostonians have always seemed to be extremely "proud" of their "traditions" back there. (...and so, yeah, the idea of adhering to some "NEW" laws would OF COURSE go against their nature back there!!!)
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I actually asked once a long time ago when it mattered to me. The explanation was simple. How many 100 times have we been in traffic and seen a guy open a door to spit because he was dipping. Or, to get out to take off a sport coat.
Picture a motorcycle at 25-35MPH hitting the leading edge of a door. Your arm and leg would pretty much be gone.
That is why the shoulder was alright to use instead. I am with Ian on this one. Then again we come from the same area of the country.
For those that do split, do you agree that anybody that opens a door, it would still be your fault? IMHO it would be as all lanes were stopped.
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Yea, It seems to be "T!t for tat" "You cut me off, so I'll cut you off BEFORE you cut me off!!attitude and it sucks. Try driving a truck in traffic, everybody wants to get in front of you(they think you drive slow, were as they drive slower)
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Well Ron, the ONLY answer I've got for ya here is that for over 40 years I lane-split in that "Carmageddon", otherwise known as the "mean streets and especially the FREEWAYS of Los Angeles California", and NEVER ONCE did ANYBODY ever open their friggin' car door on ME!!!! In fact, the vast majority of cagers in L.A. will actually move their car over in their lane and allow ya a little extra space to pass 'em IF they see ya in their rear view mirrors comin' up between the lanes while they're stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic. OR, they just looked over and admired my motorcycle whenever I pulled up next to 'em at the front of the line of cars at red lighted intersection. REALLY, they DID! I kid you NOT! (...though admittedly THAT might all have been the "Last Vestige" what used to be called that "California Laid-Back Mentality", which otherwise seems to have all but disappeared out there since around the time The Beach Boys had their last Number-1 hit on The Charts!)
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Yea, It seems to be "T!t for tat" "You cut me off, so I'll cut you off BEFORE you cut me off!!attitude and it sucks. Try driving a truck in traffic, everybody wants to get in front of you(they think you drive slow, were as they drive slower)
When I rented that car in Boston I was tellin' ya about, it was before "The Big Dig", and I remember going past the Prudential Bldg on that "freeway", AND I swear I must've seen half a dozen people driving in front of me on that road that for SOME dumb reason were straddling the lane markers RIGHT in the middle of their friggin' car!
And ALL I could think to myself was..."PICK a friggin' LANE, you friggin' MORON!!!"
(...btw Steven, you MAY have noticed, I was never much of an adherent of that famous "California Laid-Back Mentality", even though I AM a Native Californian!...yep, CONTRARY to popular belief, they DO grow "Curmudgeons" out there in The Golden State TOO!!!!)
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This is a California lane split. click thisIs this how you did it Dwight?I am just not brave enough. I have split too Dwight. I think if you get hit its pretty much on the rider though. Unless some felon opens a door on purpose on you. Have not heard too much about that.
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Oh yeah! But, I HOPE you realize that THAT moron was lane-splitting WAY too friggin' fast, and thus THAT moron is the reason lane-splitting sometimes gets a "bad rap". And I HOPE said moron received the traffic violation that he so richly deserved, WHICH he should AND could receive by any CHP officer who would have shown up at that accident scene. (...ya see, this video once again just proves that some of our fellow riders ruin it for the rest of us...but what say we don't get into that thing about runnin' open pipes right now, OKAY?!)
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We were typing at the same time. I added another video called Lane Splitting in LA. Scared me to death. 
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Yeah, I've watched your second link after you edited your last posting.
And yep....there's ya just ANOTHER moron, alright!
Once again, in both cases, accident or not, either one of the above shown morons could AND should receive a ticket for their riding like that, even in CA.
(...and once again, THIS all goes back to my strongly held belief that IF one wishes to live a long and healthy life, then their BEST course of action is "Moderation in All Things"...or in THIS case, the practice of lane-splitting done with moderation!)
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They should just add a bike only lane(s) 
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That second vid speed was doubled, Dwight, I don't know what the actual speed he was riding at but is it 5 MPH faster than traffic that going 35 MPH or slower? 
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That's a wonderful idea alright, Steven...BUT you do realize don't ya that the chances of THAT ever happening are far less than the chances of the Gumbas and Good Ol' Boys back there ever understanding that when a motorcycle lane-splits past 'em that it ISN'T an "insult" to them, or that ISN'T being "discourteous" to others, OR realizing that it IS in fact one measure at our possible disposal which can be used to ALLEVIATE congestion on the road they're stuck on. (...in other words, "fat chance of ANY of that ever happenin'"!) 
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Yes, you are correct. It will never happen in the NE U.S. Somebody will open a door just for kicks IMHO>
The police have even just about stopped lane splitting. With a siren in the area people instinctively pull right. Not good for a lane splitting motorcycle cop.
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Yes, you are correct. It will never happen in the NE U.S. Somebody will open a door just for kicks IMHO>
The police have even just about stopped lane splitting. With a siren in the area people instinctively pull right. Not good for a lane splitting motorcycle cop.
I don't think it's ever happen ANYWHERE in the Good Ol' U.S. of A where it's NEVER been accepted as standard practice before, Ron. Not the NE, not the SE, not the Midwest, not the "Heartland"...not anywhere.
(...'cause in one of the few countries on this planet where IF you'd flash your high-beams at somebody you're comin' up on in the "Fast Lane", you're more likely TO GET SHOT AT then ya are havin' the person you're comin' up on congenially MOVE THE HELL OVER TO THE RIGHT 'cause he realizes he's movin' too darn slow to BE IN that "Fast Lane", well, lane-splitting AIN'T EVER gonna happen in a country where the FORMER is MUCH more likely to happen than the LATTER!!!!!)
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Ok, my opinions, and I do filter through traffic/lane split which is built into the Highway Code Quote:
Picture a motorcycle at 25-35MPH hitting the leading edge of a door. Your arm and leg would pretty much be gone
25-35MPH is WAY too fast when traffic is stationary
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This is a California lane split. click this
The guy seemed to be going too fast for the conditions, but it could have been the camera, but going by the damage (front wheel ripped off) maybe not. Also, he should have been ready for that at the gap, which is why I'd have pulled into it a bit
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Is this how you did it Dwight?
I can't really comment as the clip is shown at twice the actual speed
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Save your keystrokes, Bryn. It's like I was sayin' all along here...IF there has never been a "culture" of lane-splitting ingrained in the local population, then there is NO way that a change TO that kind of culture will, or maybe even SHOULD, ever take place...because that "culture" is "foreign" to them. Oh and btw, you were right the first time. BOTH of the morons in those videos were goin' WAY too fast while performing this maneuver! (...but then again, what else WOULD ya expect from those crazy folks out there in California, eh?!)
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I think maybe I don't understand what you mean. When traffic is stopped or almost stopped you are talking about riding about 5-10MPH faster than them weaving through.
We did that with regularity until they started giving us tickets. Then they said we could use the shoulder so another habit was established. Would the shoulders not be safer if available?
Everything I see on youtube from California is just balls to the wall crazy stuff. I guess that also forms opinions.
You are right, it would never pass in the Northeast.
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Yep, exactly Ron! 5-10MPH faster than than traffic IS what I'm talkin' about here, NOT to mention how much SAFER it is to be able to run up between cars at a red-lighted intersection, and then take off and leave all this possible hazards(cars) in your dust when the light changes to green. This second example is especially a good reason to allow lane-splitting...it provides far less instances of being caught in a cager's blind spot, AND less chance of being rear-ended at a stop light or stop sign. Coincidentally, something of which I recall has happened to a couple of our fellow members here at BA.com within the last year.
And re passing on the right shoulder: That is illegal in CA because the idea is that cagers would not think to look in their outside right rear-view mirror if they're already in the right lane, and thus they could turn right into a motorcyclist traveling on that section of road when the cager would wish to either exit the Freeway, OR on a surface street, if he were going to make a right turn. One can NOT count on cagers using their turn-indicators all time, ya know. And, that in CA, the right shoulder is considered solely for the use of disabled vehicles.
And yep, re your "forming opinions": Those kinds of videos DO tend to give the ERRONEOUS impression to people who aren't familiar with the idea of lane-splitting that it's "dangerous"...which, as I mentioned above, it can sometimes actually be more safe a maneuver than strictly adhering to "Lane Discipline", IF once again, it is performed correctly.
(...and the very reason I called those guys with the cameras on their helmets, "MORONS"!)
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Ya know folks, I can talk about this issue until I'm blue in the face OR express it here until my friggin' FINGERS start bleedin', BUT the BOTTOM LINE here is that Matt, down there in Meridianville Alabama, will JUST have to learn to deal with the local "culture" in regard to lane-splitting.
(...'cause once again, THEY'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND IT!!!!)
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I got all that Dwight except a few things that need clarification Don't folks in the left lane change to the right lane thus needing to use the right mirror and signal too?   Hippie
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Yep! That was the point, Ron. Thus, they're much more likely to indeed check those mirrors and use their turn signals(okay, well, at least maybe do that first thing anyway), than they would be to check their mirrors if they were in the right-most lane. Hard Ass 
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Dwight I invite you to try lane splitting here and see how long you last before some pissed off NYer cuts you off on purpose. They even try when riding the shoulder.
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Dwight I invite you to try lane splitting here and see how long you last before some pissed off NYer cuts you off on purpose. They even try when riding the shoulder.
I guess you didn't read this whole thread, HUH Ian?!
'Cause I THINK I kinda covered THAT issue when I was talkin' about all the "Gumbas" and "Good Ol' Boys" back around where YOU live who seem to have some kinda "emotional problems" in this regard!
(...concentrate on all those posts of mine in this thread which included the word "Culture" in 'em, and THEN you might see that I'm WELL aware of THIS little "sticking point" here!)
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Not before I posted that I just finished it.I still say you wouldn't last a day.Good ol' boys wouldn't care , the gang bangers and city people do
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THOSE would be the "Gumbas", Ian.
(...however, I gots me a feelin' that there probably ARE some "Good Ol' Boys" back there that "might" find their "culture" threatened a mite IF somebody would have the "audacity" to lane-split 'round THEIR locations TOO!...I ain't THAT naive, ya know!)
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When I was in California last fall I worked up to lane splitting but nothing like the guys on those skinny little mid sized sport bikes. The handlebars on the BA are at least twice as far across as theirs.
I took the coast highway from Long Beach to Santa Monica Blvd and went through Beverly Hills on my way back to my buddies house in Alhambra. I got stuck in a traffic jam just East of Rodeo Drive and couldn't get more than a few feet every several minutes for about half an hour. Luckily I had the oil temp gauge to tell me that the hot smell was certainly me. I had to shut off the engine each time I stopped and only started it long enough to move with traffic and then stopped it again. I couldn't lane split because of the narrowness on the street, I couldn't get off the street because there were no cross streets for a space and I couldn't park because all the spots were full. When I finally got off Santa Monica and stated moving again the bike took forever to cool down. I would vote for lane splitting in a second. The drivers in California seemed to be fine with it as well. Here in the Midwest it would take them a little while to get used to the idea.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Now what your saying Dwight, is that "You can't teach an old dog new tricks?"  Disclaimer: This does not imply anything toward Dog_33
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Yep, ya see Larry! It's just like that New Yorker Woody Allen said in "Annie Hall": "There's only ONE positive thing that California has ever added to the American Culture, and that was being able to make a right turn on a red light!" (..of course, that scrawny little New York egghead who evidently likes 'em REAL young, never rode a motorcycle as far as I know, so apparently he was unaware of this SECOND "contribution to American Culture" known as Lane-Splitting...though, as I've mentioned before here, apparently America isn't ready for THIS "contribution"!!!)
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Only good thing about CA is it may eventually fall into the ocean!
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Here in Oregon, a few pro-motorcycle groups have been trying for several years to legalize lane-splitting. ODOT and Oregon State University did studies on lane splitting (using California and the U.K for their examples) with positive results. Unfortunately, with the "we have to protect you from yourself" mentality and "we must restrict everything that may be positive and give you freedom of choice" attitude of the government, it'll never happen (as much as I wish it would).
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Only good thing about CA is it may eventually fall into the ocean!
Spoken like a true "Good Ol' Boy" there, Ian!
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Now what your saying Dwight, is that "You can't teach an old dog new tricks?"
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Perfect, Steven!
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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When I lived in California (1981 through 1983) I split the lane all the time, and I was riding a 1980 Honda Goldwing. It was much safer splitting the lane than staying in the flow of traffic. Several times if I hadn't moved in between the lanes I would have been rear ended. Back then it wasn't people talking or texting, but rather reading the morning paper, a book or putting their makeup on.
Splitting the lane in city traffic was the best. I could get anywhere in half the time, plus I spent 90% of my riding time with no traffic around me. When cars were around me they were all stopped. It's very hard to get hit by a car if it isn't moving.
Almost every European country allows Lane Splitting or as they call it Filtering, and the traffic in most of those countries is much worse than anything you could experience in the Northeastern US.
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I'm for lane spliting. Hell I'm for banning the use of any multipassenger vehicle if its not being used to to convey multiple passengers. I would love to see everyone that is not car pooling of carrying a cargo that is too heavy for a motorcyle have to ride a motorcycle. Of coarse you could make inclement weather, and illness an exception too. Then each lane be comes two and lane spliting becomes normal practice.
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Yep Steven. I remember I rented a car once in Boston...and ONCE was ENOUGH!!!!
Yep dude, Bostonians are the absolute WORST drivers I've ever seen in my LIFE!!! And yep, I just chalked THAT all up to the idea that Bostonians have always seemed to be extremely "proud" of their "traditions" back there.
So Route 9 runs from the Western most part of Mass, straight into Boston. I take this road to the office in the morning, on the bike.. and yeah, split the lane.
I can say this:
Fellas in picks and vans move away to give you some room
Elderly drift here and there...
It's morons texting and driving in an oversized SUV which'll kill ya.
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...When I do get to the office - I don't need coffee!
Yeah, I can imagine!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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VERY, VERY GOOD ADVICE THERE!  (but thankfully the lane splittin' part of it is illegal here in Florida  )
And you may see me tonight
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I've split lanes in standing/slow traffic, don't have anything against it when conditions are safe, but don't advocate it becoming legal here. Maybe because I have a serious problem with car drivers that think, because I'm not using the entire lane (at speed), they don't need to change lanes to pass me. It's probably going to get me shot some day, because that's one thing that will get me to chase your ass down and get in your face. 
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While driving my pick up truck the other day I thought I was on one of my bikes. Not good.  Too wide. No acceleration. No worries though, all is alright. But for a moment there it was like oh sh...
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A little video about this
http://jalopnik.com/5974948/heres-why-lane-splitting-should-be-legal-for-motorcycles
Before I watched this video I didn't have an opinion one way or the other. Now, I can't say I think lane splitting looks safe. Fun, faster, more effiecient, yes. Safer, no. As I was watching the video I kept chuckling at these young turks justifiying their opinions, and I laughed out loud when one of them said it was more "natural". And as I was watching, I kept thinking of the many, many things a cage driver, dumb or otherwise, might do to ruin a riders day. In the stunningly congested traffic of some cities, I understand why it is appealing. But I'm glad I'm not gonna have to ride like this around here.
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While the guys made some good points in this video, unfortunately what was shown in many of the spots in this thing was NOT "lane splitting" in slowed traffic, but was IN FACT cutting through traffic while the rest of the traffic was flowing at what appeared to be near the posted speed limits of the roads.
And thus unfortuantely I felt these guys gave out "mixed-signals", and as such undermined their, and by association in a manner of speaking, MY argument.
Yes, attempting to ride slightly faster than the traffic flow IS usually a safer manner in which to keep from being caught in a cager's blind spot, BUT there are times in which a rider CAN and SHOULD do this and times when they CAN'T and SHOULDN'T, and I felt these guys did this WAY TOO often in this video at times when they SHOULDN'T be doing this.
Once again, it makes TOTAL sense and IS safe for EVERYONE on the road to be able and ALLOWED to pull between stopped traffic at red lights, and then once the light changes to green, pull ahead and away from all the sheet metal out there with your name on it AFTER you've made that final last-second check for cross-traffic, OR while on a nearly stopped line of freeway traffic and "lane-split" at THAT time...BUT like I've said here, what these guys did too many times and what THEY referred to as lane-splitting but WASN'T and when it wasn't necessary OR prudent to do so.
(...in OTHER words, these guys were NOT the best of advocates for what I'VE been tryin' to get across in this thread...hell, maybe I SHOULD make a freakin' video and show how to do it CORRECTLY...eeh, but then again, what's the use!...like I've already said in this thread more than a few times, the people in the rest of the 49 states will NEVER "get it" 'cause they have NO HISTORY of this concept and it's contrary to their established "culture")
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Your right on all counts dwight. There is a right and a wrong way for lane splitting and these guys really didnt show the real proper use of it. There inlies the problem, ya see people will watch something like that and will say oh no we can't have that. But in reality when done right it works so well. I found this out when I was in cali on a bike that wasn't comfortable to ride on 5 .....dam raingrooves with knobby tires make for tricky rideing. .. and I found that by rideing the line people could pass me and not want to shoot me. Lol I know that people on this side of the country will never accept it because if your moveing and they are sitting still they would be angry and jealous and some fool would open hs car door just out of spite. But you are right my friend done right splitting works very well 
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Jeez, it sounds like you are accusing me of having culture, Dwight. I don't get that very often. THANKS! 
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Now Rich, don't go gettin' all THAT excited here, Bro! Remember, I didn't use the phrase "High Culture", now did I?! I just said "culture", RIGHT?! (...of course I suppose in YOUR case SPECIFICALLY, we COULD legitimately use the phrase " Elevated Culture", huh!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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No way lane splitting should be legal. Some clown will eventually cut you off on purpose or open a door in front of you where I live and then claim they didn't see you. At an intersection here a cager will make eye contact with you then pull out in front of you anyway, 99% of the time that cage has a NY tag on it. Truckers try and cut you off even when going slowly up the shoulder in stopped traffic even though that is legal here.
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Aah, with your ongoing descriptions of the locals there, you ALWAYS make NE PA sound like SUCH a great location to live, Ian!  (...saaay, you wouldn't happen to work for the NE PA Chamber of Commerce OR the NE PA Tourist Bureau in your spare time, now would ya???)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Truckers try and cut you off even when going slowly up the shoulder in stopped traffic even though that is legal here.
Here's another thing I've noticed. Ever been following a semi-truck down a highway and he veers for no reason on to the outside edge of the road, kicking up dust and gravel all over your lane and you? I've had this happen a couple of times last year, and I wondered if the practice was some kind of mean trucker prank?
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Work it to your advantage. Maybe he's just letting you see what's ahead so you can safely pass. You know you don't really want to be behind him.
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I used to split lanes in California, until I was cut off twice coming back from Venice on the 405. The 1st time was waiting for the green light at the onramp, the second was about 5 miles from that onramp. Seems that commuters stuck in traffic are ill tempered.
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Oh yeah, sorry Leonard. I guess I failed to mention that lane-splitters have to be ESPECIALLY careful around the Venice and Wilshire Blvd On/Off ramps on the freakin' 405, didn't I??! Yep, those West Side gangbangers can be ESPECIALLY irritable sometimes, ya know! (...yep, sorry...my bad, dude!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Lane splitting and filtering at stop lights should be legal and common place. With all the politics around green transport it seems that cities would promote the use of motorcycles as they are the most efficient mode of transport, to date as it were. If I had my way in town parking would be cheaper, and lane filtering and splitting would be legalized. I think some other cool incentives like free passes for toll ways, and lower registration rates for motorcycles would be good too.
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Lane splitting and filtering at stop lights should be legal and common place. With all the politics around green transport it seems that cities would promote the use of motorcycles as they are the most efficient mode of transport, to date as it were. If I had my way in town parking would be cheaper, and lane filtering and splitting would be legalized. I think some other cool incentives like free passes for toll ways, and lower registration rates for motorcycles would be good too.
We've got pretty much that here in the UK.
Legal filtering, cheaper Tolls on the toll roads, cheaper road tax (registration) and free parking (with the odd exception in London)
However, there is no promotion of motorcycling 
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Aah, with your ongoing descriptions of the locals there, you ALWAYS make NE PA sound like SUCH a great location to live, Ian!
It used to be , before the invasion of the NYers. They drive like idiots 2" off your back bumper, would never think of letting anyone out when trying to merge, toss littler out of the car left and right with no thought to what they are doing to the area, etc... I had hoped the higher fuel prices would make them go back where they came from. What kills me is they wear clothes with NY all over them and always talk about how great NY is, well if it is so great there why don't they live there?!
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Went for a ride with Bedouin....it was fun but cockiness will get ya killed and it helps to do it in a country where the drivers are attentive too. Lane Splitting with Bedouin
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They do that sh.t here too Ian.I've been going up the shoulder past a 3 mile jam , a fu...r in a 4 wheel drive tries to close the shoulder off so I can't get past.I got past. It's just jealousy. I've also had a guy in a truck move over so I had room to get through[obviously a biker] It's illegal here but we do it when we need to [if we can]. I've also seen the cops waiting for bikes and ticketing them for going up the shoulder to filter to the head of freeway jams.  I'm not advocating splitting lanes in moving traffic but filtering through stopped traffic is a different thing.
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I regularly filter to the front of stationary traffic at the red lights. Yesterday I was going between two queues of cars when the lights turned green and I was still about six cars from the front when they began to move. No problem, I'll just slot in fron of one of the slower cars. A pick up on the left was ideal so I slowed down to match my speed. As I began to merge the car on the right ahead of me opened the door while he was moving and a guy leaned out and spat on the ground. If I hadn't have merged when I did I would have taken his head off! I don't know if he realized how close he came to becoming road kill but the driver took off at a great speed so he may have thought "oh sh1t I hope that biker isn't unhappy with me".
I will still lane filter, despite this incident and also being fined a couple of months ago for filtering. I'll just be a weeny bit more cautious. I also try to not filter past cop cars these days.
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PM sent Richard.
I was heading up Cunninghams Gap a few months ago and I was stopped at roadworks [no overtaking] behind a long line of cars and Semi-trailers heading uphill.Cops where stopped on the side of the road so I yelled to them was it ok If I moved to the front of the queue about 500 yds away.They said ok so off I went.
The next bunch will probably book me.
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Great find, Bryn! Thanks for posting it.
For once it seems we have a well-written and informed article about an aspect of motorcycling which has appeared in a mainstream publication. I'm actually somewhat pleasantly surprised.
And, I think all of these "new guidelines" which this article says the CHP has decreed are rational and well-considered, and that it's about time that these have been "codified" to a certain degree.
(...and ALL of which I ALWAYS adhered to when I lived in California, and as I mentioned earlier when I took exception to some of the practices those so-called "expert motorcyclists" pushed in their video)
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That seems sensible to me Bryn.
I wish our lawmakers would use some of the same common sense sometimes but it's a vain hope.
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I would never lane split or filter. I just don't trust most average American drivers because they don't pay attention. Between texting, talking, eating or drinking, or whatever, many just have too much going on to bother concentrating on driving. 
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Thoughts on white lining:
Space and time. Chess. Results.
Space and time
Do you have speed on the cagers? Should they change lanes is there enough room for a hole shot by (with the speed advantage you have)?
Chess
One has to see three or four moves ahead. Doing a hole shot only to slam on the brakes is not going to mellow your nerves.
Results
Think ahead (see chess above) if lane filtering leaves you in the same relative situation, then do not execute the maneuver.
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This is one of those arguments where the miss informed are the people who have never tried lane splitting/filtering. They really don't have a clue or understand, and probably never will until they try it. Those that have, well they do understand, and it makes perfect sense when done correctly.
Am I saying lane splitting is for everyone. No, there are riders that should never filter. Most of the time they can't even stay within one side of their own lane, let alone share a lane. Or they ride a bike that takes up as much room as some cars.
Also, what gives lane splitting a bad rap is as usual the 1% that feel they should be able to do it at whatever speed they like, which just upsets people in cars and continues the negative perception of lane splitting/filtering.
It's like talking to someone about riding who has never been on a motorcycle in any form. They just think it is unsafe and don't understand why anyone would want to ride, and until they go for a ride they probably never will understand.
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I totally disagree, I think lane splitting and filtering takes more intestinal fortitude than brains. One wrong move by a cager and you are road burger. It should never be legal. I have done both in my younger days and it was a bad idea then and still is now.
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Ever do it out there in Cal-if-orn-i-a, Ian?! (...and if NOT, then sorry dude...like Tom said right above ya there, you just don't know what the heck you're talkin' about then, 'cause evidently you've been stuck ridin' around with all those rude-ass EASTERN cagers back there, HUH?!...though I'll bet THAT'S all 'cause of all those "rude-ass NEW YORKERS" movin' into your town, HUH!!!!)
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Sorry Dwight, doesn't matter where you live it's a bad idea. A cager on a cell not paying attention is the same no matter where you live. Being in a blind spot with no room is being in a blind spot with no room no matter where you live. Stupid thing to do no matter where you live.
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By the way, if you never did it in Pa or outer Mongolia or Bejing then you don't know what you are talking about.  (I'm sorry, guess they don't have blind spots in Ca and drivers are never on cell phones there)
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Ian, I'm gonna give this ONE MORE freakin' shot at TRYIN' to get you to understand the LOGIC here, dude!
Ya see, EVEN the freakin' cagers holding a freakin' cellphone up to their freakin' numskull ears while DEAD STOPPED and LINED UP behind all the OTHER freakin' cagers at a freakin' red light DO NOT present a freakin' DANGER to you as a motorcyclist while you'e ridin' up BETWEEN 'EM at WALKING speed....ESPECIALLY out there in "The People's Repubic" of California where the vast majority of cagers KNOW and ACCEPT this practice.
(...and UNLIKE back were YOU live, which is evidently FULL of "Rugged Individualists" who apparently believe it to be their freakin' duty to stop a rider from doin' this because of some freakin' EGO problem!!!)
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until said cager decides they want to be in the other lane while you are along side them or decide to open the door to empty the ashtray. I realize it is too late to change your over inflated ego that prevents you from ever considering your point of view may not always be right. I am entitled to my opinion, even if it doesn't agree with yours. That doesn't make either of us wrong in itself, but your ego prevents you from seeing that. Therefore you must belittle who ever disagrees with you. Such as suggesting I can't see logic, I do, but mine does not agree with yours.
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"Empty the ashtray"??? That's the BEST argument ya GOT here, dude?!
Nope, once again, it's ISN'T my "ego" which is makin' your "opinion" incorrect. Nope, it's just, ONCE AGAIN, like Tom said up there and like I'VE been tryin' to tell ya here for YEARS now in this thread, you just don't know what the heck you're talkin' about here 'cause this is a "foreign concept" to ya, THAT'S all.
(...and btw...I also think it's kinda ironic that YOU of all people who so often proudly boasts of your "Rugged Individualism" and/or "That bad ol' Guv'ment ain't gonna tell ME what to do" attitudes around here, thinks "there ought to be a law" against this practice...yep, that's pretty darn "ironic" in MY "ego-driven" mind, alright!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Of course I'm wrong, I disagree with you. I have actually seen the ashtray door hit happen and the bike hit the door right on the edge. It resulted in a broken leg ,a bunch of stitches, an insurance claim, and both a messed up bike and a messed up car. You conveniently ignored the blind spot part or decided lane change and jumped right to the ashtray to try and make your view more credible, again, by trying to belittle me by suggesting all I could come up with is ashtray. Cell phone too among many other distractions, woman doing make up, man shaving , texting, reading the paper, reading a book , etc.... I have seen all of the above and more while driving. Again your ego makes me wrong and you right in your eyes where I state it is my opinion, I feel I am correct but I do not emphatically insist you are wrong and insist you must agree with me.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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OK, you two love birds (Dwight Ego & Ian Tuffass) need to get a room!
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It's cool, I really don't have a problem with Dwight and I think he knows that.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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Well, if "Sweetie" back there in "Ashtrayland" is game, I certainly would have no complaint!"
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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It's cool, I really don't have a problem with Dwight and I think he knows that.
Now THAT'S the most correct "opinion" you've stated in this thread since its inception, Ian!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Look if you can call me sweetie I can call you cuddle bunny.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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It's a deal!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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'Chuckleheads'comes to mind.
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It's a deal!
'Chuckleheads'comes to mind.
Channeling the good Friar, are we Jim???
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Ok, I disagree with both of ya on principle Dwight and Ian. It is dangerous when a moron decides to change lanes and crams the nose of his car in the tiny gap between the other two in the next lane all of a sudden, and you are there between cager A and tiny gap B. However just because there is risk it should not by default be illegal. We are all big boys and girls and should be allowed to make choices. Even if said choice makes you into a road patty for the buzzards.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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I suppose from the nanny state perspective I agree there shouldn't be a law and let the rider take the risk but said rider should also be prepared to pay any damage done if they hit anyone unless it can be proven the person hit intentionally cut the rider off.
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I wish we could at least filter forward at a red light here. Legally, that is.
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Ok, I disagree with both of ya on principle Dwight and Ian. It is dangerous when a moron decides to change lanes and crams the nose of his car in the tiny gap between the other two in the next lane all of a sudden, and you are there between cager A and tiny gap B. However just because there is risk it should not by default be illegal. We are all big boys and girls and should be allowed to make choices. Even if said choice makes you into a road patty for the buzzards.
Ya know Chad, I do believe if you'd re-read some of my posts in this thread, then you'd wouldn't have started out by saying here that you "I disagree with both of ya on principle Dwight and Ian."
Ya see, the manuever you've just described was EXACTLY one of the manuevers which I said should NEVER be done, AND which I believe those "new CHP rules" which Bryn posted earlier ALSO said should never be done.
And another point would be that just like Dave just said right above here, slowly "filter" or lane-spliting between a line of STOPPED cages ESPECIALLY is NOT ONLY a safe practice in general, BUT I do know of at least a couple of our own membership in the last couple of years who have been rear-ended by cagers and while stopped behind a line of cages at a stop light or stop sign.
And thus, IF a motorcyclist is stopped at the front of the line and between all those cagers, then WHO do think is gonna get hit from behind when some freakin' MORON is texting(for example) while driving and fails to stop for that red light or stop sign, HUH?!
(...feel free to answer this question TOO if you see this one, IAN!!!!) 
AND, not ONLY that, but once AGAIN, after making that last second check for any late cross traffic while AT the front of the line of these cagers, and THEN motoring out front of ALL these lined up cagers, you ONCE AGAIN always find yourself WAY ahead of all those cagers and THUS out of the freakin' BLIND STOPS of all those cagers and their SHEET METAL too...RIGHT???!!!
(...ya know folks, I JUST CAN'T make this any EASIER to understand here...though once again, I KNOW this "culture" is SO freakin' foreign to the rest of the 49 freakin' states, and so yeah, ONCE AGAIN, I suppose I CAN understand why so many people CAN'T seem to grasp this SIMPLE concept!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Last edited by erle; 03/01/2013 7:09 AM.
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AND YOU KNOW, there's MANY more, JUST like ME! Yes there is! 
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POINT TAKEN??? 
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I always disagree on concept or principles, even if I agree with the action or plan.
Thats just nature Gunther. Err um Dwight.
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(Which I doubt), CAUSE I'M GONNA INTENTIONALLY TRY TO RUN HIS A^# OVER, JUST OUT OF SPITE!!! 