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Re: WTF is going on in London? Dwight #458362 08/09/2011 2:36 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston StandingBull Second Wind
StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	Martin, I appreciate your view as you have the luxury of seeing what's going on there and how things work here. We have the same malefactors here who believe the same such things. So it is possible that such a thing could happen. However as you stated they would be quelled quickly. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? Martin62 #458363 08/09/2011 2:43 PM
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moe Should be Riding Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 11,126 Likes: 13 Merritt Island, Fl	Quote: ..but I can definitely say this would not happen in the US... Oh but it did and does. Recall the Arthur McDuffie riots of May 1980 to name just one which was one of the worst race riots in US history. Then two years later the Overtown riots. Both riots were attributed to police brutality. Nothing like a high speed chase then when you catch the suspect, remove his helmet and then beat his brains out with a night stick. Then run over his Kawasaki with a police cruiser to explain away Mr. McDuffie's injuries (or try too). Blowing gravel off rural roads

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458364 08/09/2011 2:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 Sedona, Arizona Dwight Fe Butt
Dwight Fe Butt Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 Sedona, Arizona	Quote: Martin, I appreciate your view as you have the luxury of seeing what's going on there and how things work here. We have the same malefactors here who believe the same such things. So it is possible that such a thing could happen. However as you stated they would be quelled quickly. Hmmmm. I wonder if I should now show a list of all the "Race Riots" and "Civil Unrest" which lasted MORE than a few days and have occurred over the last couple of centuries on THIS side of The Pond?! (...naaaah, I think I might've made my point here without having to do that) Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458365 08/09/2011 2:53 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston StandingBull Second Wind
StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	Dwight, I am going on a fact finding mission not a debate winning one. Regardless of the normal human desire to win. If Houston is a crime ridden stink hole it shall be posted, and if not so shall it also be posted. We had a situation try to arise very simular to this once before. A fellow named Joe horn shoot two thieves coming out of his friends house. The black panthers staged a march on his house. Nearly 50 bikers stood guard to prevent Joes home from being destroyed along with the HPD who were 5 or 10 strong. Needless to say. The panthers stood out side and across the street cursing and ranting like lunnies the bikers stood silent. After only a few hours the panthers left. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458366 08/09/2011 2:59 PM
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StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	In the civil rights fight they were justified in their actions. We know that sense then there have been other riots, but they were stopped shortly. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458367 08/09/2011 3:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 Sedona, Arizona Dwight Fe Butt
Dwight Fe Butt Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 Sedona, Arizona	Quote: Dwight, I am going on a fact finding mission not a debate winning one. Regardless of the normal human desire to win. If Houston is a crime ridden stink hole it shall be posted, and if not so shall it also be posted. Ya see, right there you've touched upon my reason for my getting into this thing here. My point was NOT to state or prove that "Houston is a crime ridden stink hole"(or any OTHER "overly-simplistically stated" kind of place for that matter), but WAS in fact to counter the idea that it's any different in the city named after that famous Sam of Texan lore, than it is anywhere else in the western world and with the very same kind of problems ANY large metropolitan area has to content with. Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)

Re: WTF is going on in London? Dwight #458368 08/09/2011 3:14 PM
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StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	I know know you were not trying to degrade houston, I also know its not beyond possibility. Only slightly more difficult. Refer to the other story I posted as reason why. I respect you and your opinion never doubt it, and I never take personally the banter here. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458369 08/09/2011 3:26 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 Sedona, Arizona Dwight Fe Butt
Dwight Fe Butt Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 Sedona, Arizona	Quote: In the civil rights fight they were justified in their actions. Nope! I disagree with this. Almost ALL of the rioting during the "Civil Rights" Era did NOTHING BUT to further the distrust between people of all colors and creeds, AND to make the neighborhoods where such rioting took place even LESS livable...EVEN to this day. (...ya see, THIS is why I called those people over in London rioting right now "Losers"...it's because just as here during the civil rights era rioting, AND later on and after some of the more recent rioting here in The States, the "Losers" just end up being BIGGER Losers...and often because their "PARENTS" never learned how to "WIN" in life and to instill THAT mentality in their offspring!!!...and thus, "THE WORLD GOES 'ROUND"!) Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)

Re: WTF is going on in London? Dwight #458370 08/09/2011 3:32 PM
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StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	You were there as I only have the history books to go by. So I concede to you on this point. With one statement who so ever acted on behalf of Jim crow laws deserved any evil fate that befell them. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458371 08/09/2011 3:48 PM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,720 Pac. NW Ryk Check Pants
Ryk Check Pants Joined: May 2010 Posts: 5,720 Pac. NW	Isn't Great Britain a "Socialist Paradise" how can there be any serious dissent when the Govt. provides so much?

Re: WTF is going on in London? Ryk #458372 08/09/2011 5:24 PM
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hill8586 Loquacious Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,531 Muldrow,OK/Ft. Smith,AR	Quote: Isn't Great Britain a "Socialist Paradise" how can there be any serious dissent when the Govt. provides so much? +1 .... and that is why we are trying to fully implement here.(good ole USA).... the sky will always be blue, some pot in every chicken and so forth and so on...it will be....EUTOPIA ! and you will never again have to deal with that nasty inconvience of.... vote-ing party on Garth !

Re: WTF is going on in London? Nobby #458373 08/09/2011 5:35 PM
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BlueNose Adjunct Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 738 United Kingdom	Quote: Quote: Remember the 80s? Tory government, riots. Same sh*t, different millennium. You have got to be kidding!!! These riots are just scum using any excuse to have a go at the police and indulge in a bit of theft. If we are going to politicize this ( we aren't because that would violate the AUP) you could argue that 13 years of Labour have removed any means of giving a sense of right and wrong to children who now feel free to do just as they please. Agreed Nobby to blame the Tory's is laughable. Workshy, welfare hungry feral scum are having some fun at our expense with no fear of effective punishment. One day as a tiger is worth a thousand as a sheep

Re: WTF is going on in London? BlueNose #458374 08/09/2011 5:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 18,825 East Helena, Montana FriarJohn OP "Lighten up, Francis."
OP FriarJohn "Lighten up, Francis." Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 18,825 East Helena, Montana	Quote: Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis. Don't think I won't lock or delete this thread just because I started it. And Texans? Get over yourselves. BA.com Caretaker \| Friarsride \| jb.com

Re: WTF is going on in London? BlueNose #458375 08/09/2011 5:50 PM
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Alatamoc Learned Hand Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,193 Likes: 22 Tunbridge Wells. Kent U.K.	Bluenose Please stop the party politics , I don't share your views and I find your comments offensive. Al I took the Road Less Travelled. Now where the ****** am I?

Re: WTF is going on in London? Alatamoc #458376 08/09/2011 6:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,531 Muldrow,OK/Ft. Smith,AR hill8586 Loquacious
hill8586 Loquacious Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,531 Muldrow,OK/Ft. Smith,AR	I've been reading the ole Magna Carta and scratching my head... Clause 33 required the removal of {fish weirs} and Clause 47 & 48 abolished the { forest law}........ now my family floated over here many moons ago( some indian lingo there) from the "mother island" so I have a genetic pre-disposition for the taste of Guinness & I ride a Triumph but what is {fish weir} and {forest law} and why is it in the Magna Carta !

Re: WTF is going on in London? Ryk #458377 08/09/2011 6:18 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 Sedona, Arizona Dwight Fe Butt
Dwight Fe Butt Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 Sedona, Arizona	Quote: Isn't Great Britain a "Socialist Paradise" how can there be any serious dissent when the Govt. provides so much? Well Ryk, like I was sayin' here earlier, maybe it's for the same reason that this kinda crap happens here in the land of "Rugged Individualism" TOO. MAYBE, it's 'cause there's LOSERS begetting LOSERS, generation after generation, NO MATTER the country and/or WHAT that country's political history and bent happens to be...HUH?! (...and now I think I'm done with this thread, 'cause it DOES now appear to be headed into a partisan political debate, and I "think" THAT might be goin' against BA.com's AUPs, IF I'm not mistaken!) Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)

Re: WTF is going on in London? BlueNose #458378 08/09/2011 6:20 PM
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Bodger Adjunct Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 430 Likes: 2 Aberdeen Scotland	Quote: Workshy, welfare hungry feral scum are having some fun at our expense with no fear of effective punishment. Exactly.... Just like the houses of parliament.

Re: WTF is going on in London? Bodger #458379 08/09/2011 6:35 PM
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BlueNose Adjunct Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 738 United Kingdom	Quote: Quote: Workshy, welfare hungry feral scum are having some fun at our expense with no fear of effective punishment. Exactly.... Just like the houses of parliament. Give you that one Colin, it is unfortunately so. One day as a tiger is worth a thousand as a sheep

Re: WTF is going on in London? BlueNose #458380 08/09/2011 6:42 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston StandingBull Second Wind
StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	No need in being done with this thread. The politics I think are over now. Oh, man come on John we're just having a bit of fun. No body is gonna get hurt. I promise we will be real careful..........Please?. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? Alatamoc #458381 08/09/2011 6:48 PM
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BlueNose Adjunct Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 738 United Kingdom	Quote: Bluenose Please stop the party politics , I don't share your views and I find your comments offensive. Al I wasn't, I have an even lower opinion of politicians. And I'm offended that your offended so we're even! One day as a tiger is worth a thousand as a sheep

Re: WTF is going on in London? BlueNose #458382 08/09/2011 6:51 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston StandingBull Second Wind
StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	Oh, piss come on guys hug and make up. one of those little side hugs is good enough. cause John will set ya'll n the corner. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458383 08/09/2011 6:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 18,825 East Helena, Montana FriarJohn OP "Lighten up, Francis."
OP FriarJohn "Lighten up, Francis." Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 18,825 East Helena, Montana	Quote: No need in being done with this thread. The politics I think are over now. Oh, man come on John we're just having a bit of fun. No body is gonna get hurt. I promise we will be real careful..........Please?. What, you mean I can't have fun? I know, I shouldn't have put that in a thread where I was issuing a "warning." The segue wasn't clear enough. BA.com Caretaker \| Friarsride \| jb.com

Re: WTF is going on in London? BlueNose #458384 08/09/2011 6:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 18,825 East Helena, Montana FriarJohn OP "Lighten up, Francis."
OP FriarJohn "Lighten up, Francis." Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 18,825 East Helena, Montana	Quote: And I'm offended that your offended I think they call that "meta." BA.com Caretaker \| Friarsride \| jb.com

Re: WTF is going on in London? Martin62 #458385 08/09/2011 6:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,028 Likes: 8 Kansas City, Mo. MACMC New Tires
MACMC New Tires Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,028 Likes: 8 Kansas City, Mo.	Quote: I may have strange perspective as I live/work one side of the Atlantic but my wife/home is on the other, but I can definitely say this would not happen in the US, for two reasons (one opinion, one fact) 1) First the opinion: the majority of those rioting are not tax paying, law abiding citizens but those that think hand outs are a right and the country owes them something. This is not a function of 'class' (there are as many white as blue collar youths involved) 2) The normal citizens in the US would have stepped up and stopped it; and here the issue isn't the normal citizens. I have just phoned home to make sure my wife is OK, she says there are riots expected in our town tonight; at the local store they have been told....if there is a riot, let the rioters do whatever they want, don't confront them, clear up the mess afterwards. So who told them this? The local police! I think you're right, in the UK police are pretty much sheep herders, they keep the normal citizens in line. In the USA, at least in the mid-west a cop would blow you away if you were running down the street carrying a lit molotov cocktail. Last edited by MACMC; 08/09/2011 7:06 PM. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken

Re: WTF is going on in London? Dwight #458386 08/09/2011 7:01 PM
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Martin62 Adjunct Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 291 Chestfield, Kent, UK	Quote: Quote: Isn't Great Britain a "Socialist Paradise" how can there be any serious dissent when the Govt. provides so much? Well Ryk, like I was sayin' here earlier, maybe it's for the same reason that this kinda crap happens here in the land of "Rugged Individualism" TOO. MAYBE, it's 'cause there's LOSERS begetting LOSERS, generation after generation, NO MATTER the country and/or WHAT that country's political history and bent happens to be...HUH?! (...and now I think I'm done with this thread, 'cause it DOES now appear to be headed into a partisan political debate, and I "think" THAT might be goin' against BA.com's AUPs, IF I'm not mistaken!) Hey Dwight I hope you haven't given up on the thread because you make a valuable point but I do think there is one more thing to consider about the situation in the UK (I can't comment if it's the same in the US because I have only been here 3 years or so). The system that is now in place is what is supporting the LOSERS. I can give you a first hand example..... The reason I live here and my wife lives in the UK is simple. My wife has two kids from a previous marriage. We first came here as a family. Both kids didn't like the fact that if you worked hard you could achieve something good here - they would rather sit back, not try to achieve anything but expect the Government to provide for them. Because they didn't settle we gave them to option to go back and live with their Dad (both are late teens). They made arrangements, we booked flights, then their Dad changed his mind. There is no custody order that says Mum has to look after them, but my wife has the parental obligation. As 'UK citizens' she has to look after them until they leave school, then the state will take over. This means the kids can insist they don't want to live in the US, my wife had to take them back to the UK, her oldest then got given a studio apartment/subsistence allowance in return for claiming to be looking for work. The younger one (now 17) decided (without our consent) to sign up to a college course, which means my wife now has to stay there and look after him until he leaves, and in the meantime I have to stay here work, and pay the bills for my 'son' to decide how my wife and I lead our life. The UK system gives these toe-rags the power to do what they want without the accountability for their actions. Hey I fully understand your point and even agree but the perpetual downward spiral in the UK is actually being supported my the system. Caspian Blue '03 BA, Union Jack/Stars and Stripes paint, BUBs, Progressive 812s, and lots of chrome

Re: WTF is going on in London? MACMC #458387 08/09/2011 7:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,531 Muldrow,OK/Ft. Smith,AR hill8586 Loquacious
hill8586 Loquacious Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,531 Muldrow,OK/Ft. Smith,AR	I think you're right, in the UK police are pretty much sheep herders, they keep the normal citizens in line. In the USA, at least in the mid-west a cop would blow you away if you were running down the street carrying a lit moltav cocktail. .....I don't know,,,,been watching this on the boob-toob and it looks like they are trying to herd cats not sheep... ....and yep, like Tojo said about an invasion of America.... those round eyes all have guns !!! crime went down drastically here in Oklahoma after we passed our "make my day law" the punks don't feel too lucky evidentally

Re: WTF is going on in London? FriarJohn #458388 08/09/2011 7:13 PM
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BlueNose Adjunct Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 738 United Kingdom	Quote: Quote: And I'm offended that your offended I think they call that "meta." Indeed so John.. Off now to loot the fridge for another beer! One day as a tiger is worth a thousand as a sheep

Re: WTF is going on in London? BlueNose #458389 08/09/2011 7:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,028 Likes: 8 Kansas City, Mo. MACMC New Tires
MACMC New Tires Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,028 Likes: 8 Kansas City, Mo.	Is it true?, that the 2012 London Olympics are introducing some new competitions, the Molotov throw, synchronized looting and 400 meter run for your life. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken

Re: WTF is going on in London? hill8586 #458390 08/09/2011 7:29 PM
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StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	http://os.cqpress.com/citycrime/2010/City_crime_rate_2010-2011_hightolow.pdf Rank Order - City 2010 City Crime Rate Rankings* RANK CITY SCORE RANK CITY SCORE RANK CITY SCORE 1 St. Louis, MO 381.62 69 Shreveport, LA 106.77 138 Long Beach, CA 52.74 2 Camden, NJ 374.33 70 Allentown, PA 104.78 139 Waco, TX 52.36 3 Detroit, MI 356.44 71 Elizabeth, NJ 101.86 140 Wichita Falls, TX 52.07 4 Flint, MI 310.31 72 Sacramento, CA 100.12 141 Denver, CO 52.04 5 Oakland, CA 308.29 73 Brockton, MA 98.96 142 Corpus Christi, TX 51.37 6 Richmond, CA 287.15 74 Syracuse, NY 98.34 143 Lynn, MA 50.83 7 Cleveland, OH 260.60 75 Nashville, TN 98.00 144 Laredo, TX 50.07 8 Compton, CA 260.13 76 Las Vegas, NV 97.54 145 Grand Rapids, MI 49.62 9 Gary, IN 250.48 77 Albuquerque, NM 97.30 146 Topeka, KS 49.30 10 Birmingham, AL 244.83 78 Columbus, GA 94.14 147 Louisville, KY 47.87 11 Baltimore, MD 241.64 79 Richmond, VA 93.80 148 North Las 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Point, NC 31.69 40 Miami Gardens, FL 138.05 108 Modesto, CA 71.08 177 Indio, CA 31.68 41 Reading, PA 137.59 109 Huntsville, AL 71.06 178 Redding, CA 31.28 42 Miami Beach, FL 135.59 110 San Leandro, CA 71.00 179 Murfreesboro, TN 31.24 43 Milwaukee, WI 134.25 111 Berkeley, CA 69.88 180 Davenport, IA 31.22 44 Inglewood, CA 134.13 112 Pueblo, CO 69.24 181 Grand Prairie, TX 30.82 45 Houston, TX 133.55 113 Boston, MA 68.56 182 Avondale, AZ 30.66 46 Orlando, FL 132.45 114 Spokane, WA 67.99 183 Tuscaloosa, AL 29.54 47 Akron, OH 132.09 115 Anchorage, AK 67.83 184 San Angelo, TX 29.39 48 Minneapolis, MN 127.47 116 Melbourne, FL 67.50 185 Racine, WI 28.38 49 Columbus, OH 127.21 117 Durham, NC 66.68 186 Lakeland, FL 28.34 50 Oklahoma City, OK 126.96 118 Charlotte, NC 66.25 187 Downey, CA 28.31 51 Miami, FL 126.34 119 Everett, WA 66.12 188 Reno, NV 28.18 52 Dallas, TX 125.48 120 Amarillo, TX 64.84 189 Vancouver, WA 27.06 53 Knoxville, TN 124.51 121 Hawthorne, CA 62.54 190 Lakewood, CO 24.78 54 Lawton, OK 123.63 122 Lubbock, TX 62.46 191 Riverside, CA 23.75 55 Tacoma, WA 122.13 123 Bakersfield, CA 61.45 192 Erie, PA 22.23 56 Albany, GA 122.01 124 Pomona, CA 61.06 193 Eugene, OR 21.62 57 Salinas, CA 121.94 125 Hayward, CA 60.79 194 El Cajon, CA 21.44 58 New Bedford, MA 120.96 126 Merced, CA 60.11 195 Miramar, FL 20.91 59 West Palm Beach, FL 120.66 127 Tucson, AZ 58.84 196 Santa Ana, CA 20.00 60 Bridgeport, CT 120.38 128 Fort Smith, AR 58.49 197 Ogden, UT 18.79 61 Rochester, NY 120.32 129 Victorville, CA 57.22 198 El Monte, CA 18.69 62 Hammond, IN 119.68 130 San Francisco, CA 56.57 199 Dearborn, MI 17.86 63 North Charleston, SC 119.00 131 Federal Way, WA 56.33 200 Palmdale, CA 17.67 64 Fayetteville, NC 116.74 132 Clarksville, TN 55.23 201 Tyler, TX 17.66 65 Columbia, SC 110.86 133 Fresno, CA 55.12 202 Westland, MI 17.38 66 Longview, TX 110.54 134 Jersey City, NJ 53.96 203 Austin, TX 16.99 67 Chattanooga, TN 107.67 135 Phoenix, AZ 53.78 204 Yuma, AZ 15.77 68 South Bend, IN 107.34 136 Abilene, TX 53.73 205 Tempe, AZ 15.45 137 San Antonio, TX 53.44 206 Carson, CA 15.05 Rank Order - City (continued) RANK CITY SCORE RANK CITY SCORE RANK CITY SCORE 207 Sparks, NV 15.01 275 El Paso, TX (17.91) 343 Scottsdale, AZ (46.72) 208 Pasadena, TX 14.14 276 Peoria, AZ (18.14) 344 Danbury, CT (47.05) 209 Lexington, KY 13.64 277 Somerville, MA (18.17) 345 Rancho Cucamon., CA (47.51) 209 Moreno Valley, CA 13.64 278 Cedar Rapids, IA (19.96) 346 Nashua, NH (47.74) 211 Mesquite, TX 12.42 279 Cambridge, MA (20.05) 347 Cheektowaga, NY (48.00) 212 Citrus Heights, CA 12.41 280 Anaheim, CA (20.27) 348 Cape Coral, FL (48.07) 213 Charleston, SC 12.08 281 Quincy, MA (20.34) 349 Plano, TX (48.85) 214 Chico, CA 11.60 282 Bellingham, WA (20.41) 350 McKinney, TX (49.32) 215 Baldwin Park, CA 11.54 283 Ventura, CA (20.76) 351 Beaverton, OR (49.35) 216 Escondido, CA 11.49 284 Kenosha, WI (20.93) 352 Olathe, KS (49.57) 217 St. Joseph, MO 11.39 285 Norwalk, CT (21.31) 353 Edison Twnshp, NJ (49.93) 218 Jacksonville, NC 10.52 286 Tracy, CA (21.65) 354 Temecula, CA (50.68) 219 Ontario, CA 9.83 287 Lewisville, TX (22.26) 355 Bellevue, WA (52.40) 220 Fairfield, CA 9.36 288 Garden Grove, CA (22.66) 356 Warwick, RI (52.96) 221 San Diego, CA 8.80 289 Denton, TX (23.25) 357 Overland Park, KS (53.11) 222 West Covina, CA 7.07 290 Pasadena, CA (23.26) 358 Coral Springs, FL (53.65) 223 Manchester, NH 6.67 291 McAllen, TX (24.20) 359 Pearland, TX (54.80) 224 Concord, CA 6.61 292 Spokane Valley, WA (25.59) 360 Canton Twnshp, MI (54.96) 225 Gresham, OR 6.59 293 College Station, TX (26.33) 361 Huntington Beach, CA (55.43) 226 Davie, FL 6.49 294 Westminster, CO (26.72) 361 Sterling Heights, MI (55.43) 227 Hialeah, FL 5.61 295 Santa Clara, CA (26.74) 363 Lee's Summit, MO (55.71) 228 Fort Wayne, IN 4.88 296 Boulder, CO (27.63) 364 Provo, UT (55.96) 229 Fontana, CA 4.79 297 Carrollton, TX (27.73) 365 Missouri City, TX (56.32) 230 Las Cruces, NM 4.66 298 Billings, MT (28.22) 366 Edmond, OK (57.08) 231 Lakewood, CA 3.01 299 Carlsbad, CA (28.50) 366 Glendale, CA (57.08) 231 Salem, OR 3.01 300 Boca Raton, FL (29.59) 368 Hamilton Twnshp, NJ (57.37) 233 Waterbury, CT 2.05 301 Alhambra, CA (30.48) 369 Sunnyvale, CA (58.87) 234 Evansville, IN 1.22 302 Madison, WI (31.00) 370 Newport Beach, CA (59.87) 235 Vista, CA 0.26 303 Clovis, CA (31.43) 371 Farmington Hills, MI (60.43) 236 Raleigh, NC (1.43) 304 Brownsville, TX (31.50) 372 Surprise, AZ (61.26) 237 San Jose, CA (1.62) 305 Livermore, CA (31.80) 373 Woodbridge Twnshp, NJ (61.79) 238 Plantation, FL (2.28) 306 Corona, CA (31.99) 374 Orange, CA (62.13) 239 Fayetteville, AR (2.40) 307 Burbank, CA (32.45) 375 Bend, OR (62.36) 240 Upper Darby Twnshp, PA (3.01) 308 Nampa, ID (32.74) 376 Round Rock, TX (62.37) 241 Sandy Springs, GA (3.83) 309 Roswell, GA (33.81) 377 Murrieta, CA (62.67) 242 Santa Rosa, CA (4.72) 310 San Mateo, CA (33.83) 378 Centennial, CO (63.53) 243 Garland, TX (4.94) 311 Livonia, MI (33.96) 379 Brick Twnshp, NJ (64.81) 244 Green Bay, WI (5.06) 312 Clinton Twnshp, MI (34.14) 380 Allen, TX (65.35) 245 Lawrence, KS (5.09) 313 Richardson, TX (34.52) 381 Greece, NY (65.89) 246 Chula Vista, CA (5.79) 314 San Marcos, CA (34.54) 382 St. George, UT (65.97) 247 Greeley, CO (6.14) 315 Fremont, CA (34.92) 383 Thousand Oaks, CA (65.99) 248 Midland, TX (6.66) 316 Costa Mesa, CA (35.09) 384 Gilbert, AZ (66.29) 249 Hampton, VA (7.38) 317 Henderson, NV (35.38) 385 Simi Valley, CA (66.62) 250 Santa Barbara, CA (7.54) 318 Boise, ID (35.75) 386 Toms River Twnshp, NJ (66.78) 251 Oxnard, CA (7.68) 319 West Jordan, UT (36.20) 387 Frisco, TX (67.76) 252 Fargo, ND (7.89) 320 Chandler, AZ (36.21) 388 Troy, MI (68.26) 253 Santa Monica, CA (8.10) 321 Chino, CA (36.56) 389 Sugar Land, TX (69.32) 254 Mesa, AZ (8.70) 322 Roseville, CA (37.52) 390 Orem, UT (70.43) 255 Suffolk, VA (9.31) 323 Pembroke Pines, FL (37.71) 391 Irvine, CA (72.95) 256 Buena Park, CA (9.45) 324 Stamford, CT (37.96) 392 Newton, MA (74.64) 257 Palm Bay, FL (9.52) 325 Rio Rancho, NM (38.82) 393 Cary, NC (74.76) 258 Columbia, MO (9.95) 326 Cranston, RI (38.84) 394 Lake Forest, CA (75.34) 259 Oceanside, CA (10.72) 327 Daly City, CA (39.25) 395 Amherst, NY (76.00) 260 Fort Collins, CO (12.07) 328 Longmont, CO (39.45) 396 Clarkstown, NY (76.17) 261 Sioux City, IA (12.12) 328 Virginia Beach, VA (39.45) 397 Mission Viejo, CA (79.97) 262 Whittier, CA (12.17) 330 Westminster, CA (39.75) 398 Ramapo, NY (81.16) 263 Thornton, CO (12.20) 331 Norman, OK (41.74) 399 O'Fallon, MO (82.05) 264 Irving, TX (12.37) 332 Sandy, UT (41.78) 400 Colonie, NY (82.49) 265 Sioux Falls, SD (12.50) 333 Vacaville, CA (41.89) NA Aurora, IL NA 266 Fullerton, CA (12.68) 334 Santa Clarita, CA (42.08) NA Bloomington, MN NA 267 Lincoln, NE (13.10) 335 Hillsboro, OR (42.56) NA Chicago, IL NA 268 Sunrise, FL (13.35) 336 Arvada, CO (43.35) NA Decatur, IL NA 269 New York, NY (14.48) 337 Broken Arrow, OK (44.95) NA Duluth, MN NA 270 Yonkers, NY (14.84) 338 Torrance, CA (45.36) NA Elgin, IL NA 271 Hesperia, CA (15.47) 339 Port St. Lucie, FL (45.39) NA Joliet, IL NA 272 Honolulu, HI (15.70) 340 Clifton, NJ (45.78) NA Naperville, IL NA 273 Chesapeake, VA (16.56) 341 Alexandria, VA (45.87) NA Peoria, IL NA 274 Elk Grove, CA (17.18) 342 Ann Arbor, MI (46.11) NA Rochester, MN NA Source: CQ Press using reported data from the F.B.I. "Crime in the United States 2009" NA Springfield, IL** NA Includes murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, and motor vehicle theft. A negative score (in parentheses) indicates a composite crime number below the national rate, a positive number is above the national rate. *Not available. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458391 08/09/2011 7:33 PM
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Re: WTF is going on in London? FriarJohn #458392 08/09/2011 7:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 538 Largo, FL JasonSonOfEd Adjunct
JasonSonOfEd Adjunct Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 538 Largo, FL	Quote: Quote: Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis. Don't think I won't lock or delete this thread just because I started it. And Texans? Get over yourselves. 1 veto for DELETE Are we there YET? I gotta go pee!! 08 SpeedMASTER, Black and Red!

Re: WTF is going on in London? JasonSonOfEd #458393 08/09/2011 7:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,738 stevieB Learned Hand
stevieB Learned Hand Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,738	sorry Last edited by stevieB; 08/09/2011 8:00 PM.

Re: WTF is going on in London? stevieB #458394 08/09/2011 7:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston StandingBull Second Wind
StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	Delete what? I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? StandingBull #458395 08/09/2011 7:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,738 stevieB Learned Hand
stevieB Learned Hand Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,738	dunno just feelin negative.

Re: WTF is going on in London? stevieB #458396 08/09/2011 8:03 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 538 Largo, FL JasonSonOfEd Adjunct
JasonSonOfEd Adjunct Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 538 Largo, FL	Quote: dunno just feelin negative. ME TOO!! Guess I just wanna see happy warm stories ...the real world is a CRAZY place. Are we there YET? I gotta go pee!! 08 SpeedMASTER, Black and Red!

Re: WTF is going on in London? JasonSonOfEd #458397 08/09/2011 8:09 PM
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston StandingBull Second Wind
StandingBull Second Wind Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 8,393 Likes: 1 Texas, Houston	The stock market recovered today. I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe

Re: WTF is going on in London? FriarJohn #458398 08/09/2011 8:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,028 Likes: 8 Kansas City, Mo. MACMC New Tires
MACMC New Tires Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,028 Likes: 8 Kansas City, Mo.	Quote: Quote: Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis. Don't think I won't lock or delete this thread just because I started it. And Texans? Get over yourselves. Hitler hosted the Olympics and now London is, just sayin. Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H. L. Mencken

Re: WTF is going on in London? MACMC #458399 08/09/2011 8:39 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,494 Likes: 6 South Coast, MA Two_Wheel_n Learned Hand
Two_Wheel_n Learned Hand Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,494 Likes: 6 South Coast, MA	Might think there was a hockey game played over there. '04' Black America

Re: WTF is going on in London? Two_Wheel_n #458400 08/09/2011 8:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 639 Battle Creek, Michigan 08America Adjunct
08America Adjunct Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 639 Battle Creek, Michigan	We (Americans) used to adopt that "let the bad guys do what they will then we will all be ok" attitude too...until 10 years ago. Now we make sure if you try to hijack a plane atleast I'm gonna punch you in the face first. I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who said "A government powerful enough to give you everything you need is powerful enough to take away everything you want." That said I hoped all of my fellow Trumpy friends are safe in London and soon the chaos stops. In the infamous words of Shrek "Can't we just settle this over a pint?!" Blue/White, Battery Relocated, 155/45's, AI removed, Cocktail shakers

Re: WTF is going on in London? 08America #458401 08/09/2011 9:00 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 23,225 Likes: 62 NE PA USA The_Dog33 Fe Butt
The_Dog33 Fe Butt Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 23,225 Likes: 62 NE PA USA	I'll take that one step farther and wish well to all those who have done nothing wrong over the pond and and hope the criminal element get what they deserve. I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains. Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!

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