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Two nights ago, I was approaching a traffic circle (the municipality's method of containing the cost of traffic signal installation and maintenance) and stopped at the edge as a good rider should, heeding the YIELD sign. When the way was clear, I proceeded into the circle. At the first inlet to my right, a car started into the circle. I was able to come to a stop to avoid a collision. They also stopped, so being fully in the circle and having the right-of-way (we're in Maryland, USA), I gave them that steely-eyed glare so many of us have had to master, and continued on. Well, they also continued on and we had to stop again. This time I went beyond that steely-eyed glare and shouted epithets at such volume my right ear-plug dislodged. No kidding, the thing fell right out of my ear and I could feel it tickling the lobe. Luckily it didn't fall out of my helmet. Apparently, my voice carried through my closed helmet and through their closed car windows because they stayed put at this point. So, my first question is, has anybody had an experience like this? I have heard that traffic circle/rotary regulations vary from state to state (in the USA) and certainly from country to country. Was I just dealing with somebody who is used to different regulations? Second question, have you ever yelled at somebody so loudly that your earplugs or false teeth dislodged? I'm really trying to see the humor in a near-death experience 
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Ahem...why "Yes", John...in fact.... I'll be in a roundabout My words will make my ear plugs fall out I'll spend the day your way...... Call it morning driving thru the sound and In and out the valley...... Okay...sorry.... Yeah, after years of nary comin' across any of 'em, they're lately startin' to go crazy out here in AZ with puttin' roundabouts at more and more intersections. And, because it's somewhat of a foreign concept to many Arizonans, you really have to be extra careful whenever entering them, as I've encountered many folks here who will fail to yield when it's their responsibility to do so as they approach the roundabout and after I'm already inside of 'em.
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People just don't know what yield means....or who has the right of way...even on on ramps, they just pull into the first lane and expect you to slow down for them or turn in the next lane!! they should put up STOP signs!!!
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It happens to me occasionally - lots of roundabouts here. That's when my dual LOUD horns pay for themselves.
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In Pa,if you are in the circle you have the right away.That being said,forcing the issue of right away on a bike can lead to taking a dirt nap rightaway!.I usually hit the inside of them at a quick clip and leave them just as quick.The key is to dont pussyfoot,the longer your in one the longer your in danger.Glad your still with us John! BTW,roundabouts are more fun on a Tiger, lol.
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All the ones I encounter are like Smaug's, if you are in the circle, you have the right of way. All that is except for the one in my hometown at the City Park. That one has a Yield sign for traffic coming thru. I discovered this to the horror of my wife, daughter and an oncoming car that I failed to give the right of way..... I wish they'd make these danged things consistent!!@#@ That would have been horrifying to hit someone, or worse someone on a bike. The morale to John and my story is trust no one!
What peeves me off lately is I pull up to an intersection. The opposite vehicle clearly arrived before I did. If it is an old person, they invariably want to wave me thru even though they clearly have the right of way. If I have to turn left in front of them, I'll just sit and keep waving them thru. Trust no one! I'm glad you made it thru safely John!
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Happens all the time. Anytime you approach a cage that wants to turn or merge, then danger is as the cage turns. The circle affords LOTS of opportunities for that sort of fun is all. footnote: Why traffic circles are so cool: You get to split lanes/filter with impunity, sortof.
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Theres a cool one in Swindon, know as 'The Magic Roundabout' (I think because the designer had been at the mushrooms that day)
Anyway, its a collection of them, all together.. meaning that the one in the middle you have to go round 'the wrong way'..
If you every want to see a confused cager, thats the place for it!
I'll see if I can find a googlemaps link.
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The one we have in Gettysburg is a nightmare around tourist season { 10 months out of the year} . Nobody gives rightaway,the cops go nowhere near it except to take down accident reports.This is where I learned how to drag pegs!
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Here, found it:
Google Maps - Magic Roundabout!
Dang man! With ALL the impaired drivers out in the world, I'd hate to have to negotiate that one! 
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I for one, did not understand the roundabout a bit!!
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Here, found it:
Google Maps - Magic Roundabout!
Dang man! With ALL the impaired drivers out in the world, I'd hate to have to negotiate that one!
its not as daunting as it first looks.. I'm told that originally it was just the 6 interconnected mini-roundabouts, all low-level ones.. and people would simply aim at the exit they wanted and drive straight there! Cant do that now, but its not too bad.
Driving in France is worse. SOME of their roundabouts give priority to the drivers already on the roundabout, and some give priority to the cars arriving, (so if you're on the roundabout you have to stop and let new people on..)
The only way to tell will be a small sign indicating the appropriate 'priorite' as you approach it.. and then you also have to hope that the other drivers say the sign too... not good!
in the UK we have a lot of them, but they all have the same rules, and same rules on lane discipline, so its not too bad - and they do keep the traffic flowing much better than traffic lights do.
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Years ago when I lived in Portsmouth, NH the only time I saw an accident in one of the traffic circles was when someone from Massachusetts was involved. Back then New Hampshire and Maine had, as today, the traffic in the circle having the right of way, and traffic entering the circle had to yield. Massachusetts on the other hand had it the other way around. Which they changed in the mid 80's to conform with all the other states around them.
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Here, found it:
- Magic Roundabout!
That is ridiculous!! Why they didn'y just put a single large roundabout there is beyond me ( then again, most highway planning decisions don't seem to make sense)!!
I will have to try it one day.
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"In 2009 it was voted the fourth scariest junction in Britain, in a poll by Britannia Rescue." From Wikipedia What are the 3rd, 2nd and 1st scariest?  
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This one was Number 1, commonly known as 'spaghetti Junction': Spaghetti Junction, Birmingham
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I for one, did not understand the roundabout a bit!!
You put your right foot in, you take your right foot out...They are starting to show up more here. But the one that tops it is an interchange at Dorsett & I-270. You diverge, cross lanes, as you pass under the 270.
Yep, as you drive under the overpass, you driving on the left side of the road.
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Here is the correct way to deal with a roundabout.... traffic circle
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runabouts? Hens teeth I say. Try this the next time your at one of those red lights. Change traffic lights with a universal remote!
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I just do not get the concept. I personally think it's the dumbest dam idea ever. I understand these have been around for ever in the UK. The same concept has been used for years in small town USA. All roads leading into town intersect at the courthouse. And to this day no you really knows who's supposed to go next. It's like mice on a wheel, Dumb! Rant over 
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Seriously? I could see getting confused with the larger, multi-lane ones. But we have a few single lane ones and other than ignorant newbies stopping when they shouldn't because they're confused, the circles are slicker than snot. You only have to look one way. If there's someone at the left, don't go. If there isn't, go. Pretty simple if you ask me. Saves gas and time, mainly because you don't have to stop needlessly at some dumbass traffic signal when no one else is around.
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Seriously? I could see getting confused with the larger, multi-lane ones. But we have a few single lane ones and other than ignorant newbies stopping when they shouldn't because they're confused, the circles are slicker than snot. You only have to look one way. If there's someone at the left, don't go. If there isn't, go. Pretty simple if you ask me. Saves gas and time, mainly because you don't have to stop needlessly at some dumbass traffic signal when no one else is around.
Well said, John.
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Seriously? I could see getting confused with the larger, multi-lane ones. But we have a few single lane ones and other than ignorant newbies stopping when they shouldn't because they're confused, the circles are slicker than snot. You only have to look one way. If there's someone at the left, don't go. If there isn't, go. Pretty simple if you ask me. Saves gas and time, mainly because you don't have to stop needlessly at some dumbass traffic signal when no one else is around.
Well said, John.
Guys, you're correct. In certain situations the "roundabouts" work as designed but we're seeing these things pop up everywhere. In neighborhoods where a two way or four way stop sign has worked quite well for eons.
I saw one the other day that was only about six feet across. I mean what the heck, you have to move the cage to the right only about 4' to clear the thing.
Oh he11, never mind I gotta lay off the eggnog. 
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There're 2 of these roundabouts on A1A at Amelia Island, near the Plantation and Ritz Carlton. Just as at a marina, there's a pecking order. Rolls, Maserati, etc. preceed Lexus, Mercedes, etc., which preceed Jaguar, Lincoln... and so forth. Motorcycles rate below pedestrians (of which there are never any). After one particularly close call, my strategy is to start hollering like a madman as I approach. They notice me and stop. I wave after I pass through and figure I've just added an interesting anecdote to their vacation stories.
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Holy cr*p - run away! 
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They have some new ones in Delaware that are so tight, at 15 mph. I'm draging the foot pegs. I think the YIELD sign is only there to prepair every one for the game of Chicken. New Jersey has some that you feel like your in a jousting match. Just plain vissious!
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Holy cr*p - run away!
Yeah, that's a little freaky, but I'm sure it still works fine once you know what the deal is.
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There are a couple here in Houston but nothing like that. Must be in Canada
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Yeah, that's a little freaky, but I'm sure it still works fine once you know what the deal is.
Only thing is that I'm always behind, on the side of, or in front of someone that's "learning what the deal is"
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Yeah, that's a little freaky, but I'm sure it still works fine once you know what the deal is.
Only thing is that I'm always behind, on the side of, or in front of someone that's "learning what the deal is"
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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There are a couple here in Houston but nothing like that. Must be in Canada
That's right... it's inspired by the shape and efficiency of an igloo!
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yea an igloo wouldn't last long here. They wouldn't expect an american driver to have to navagate that most of them can't navagate a straight a way
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Yeah, that's a little freaky, but I'm sure it still works fine once you know what the deal is.
Only thing is that I'm always behind, on the side of, or in front of someone that's "learning what the deal is"
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I bet the guy who designed that thing is glad he don't live in an igloo.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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The circles around here (Wa state) always have a blind spot problem due to the landscaping mound in the center, I don't believe the ones in Europe do that, to work as intended, they need an unobstructed view 
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Holy cr*p - run away!
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Either that or it was designed by a committee 
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civil engineers ?????????????????
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