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It was simple math for me.. my igniter failed and I didn't have 6 to 7 hundred dollars to spend on an OE replacement, which I would have preferred. The multiple settings theoretically make it usable on wide variety of applications to include the 360 engines and I could have done without the "performance upgrade" myself but I didn't have that choice.
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Seems to me the disadvantages out weigh the advantages, the higher rev limit would be cool but not at the cost of performance. I'll opt for the OE unit if I need one.
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I think I'm going to send my stock one to Pieman for a remap since I have the Procom on the bike now. Maybe have him set the rev limit at 9000 and leave everything else alone. I think I like the Procom unit, it took a long time to get it dialed in, but it seems to be pretty nice now. Maybe just a bit more fine tuning to do.
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Since Woody used my stock ignitor, fixed by Chy in Prescott in June, to get home from British Columbia (and then some), it's likely that if/when I get Bollox running again I'll use the stock unit and carry the pro-com as a backup.
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Is any body trying to change one of the "stock" timing advance maps? Maybe retard from 0-1000 rpm by say by ~5* (while the starter is trying to start) might help with the starting issue. I'm on the fence on Procom vs. OEM CDI's
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The Pieman (Triumph Twin Power) upgrade is what I was referring to in my previous post. TPUSA is the North American supplier and they are listed on their website.
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if you use alt+167 you get the º symbol
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Well, due to the lack of availability of a stock, used CDI (or the pride sellers of used units seem to have for the stock ones  ) I am probably going to buy Troy's Procom. I've followed the threads on these, and am MORE than a little concerned. One MAIN issue I have, that has not been mentioned before, is my uncommon riding habits.  I ALWAYS skip gears while riding. I shift 1, 3, 5th, always running through the rpm's till the rev limiter hits. If rolling at low speeds (not making a complete stop), I shift 2, 4, & 5th. Again, always till the rev limiter hits (unless TOTALLY not appropreate  ) It SEEMS as though I get on quicker by eliminating the time for the two extra shifts, and from 7.4 (7.5?) K rpm's, it hits right at the sweet spot for torque (acceleration) when hitting the next (two up) gear. That's the MAIN hopes for the Procom, to up the rev limit to what, 8, 8.5, 9K. Actually, I prefer this EVEN when shifting around 5K on relaxed riding. I guess I'LL be the guinea pig on this one. Any input on the best setting for this type riding.  I'll contact the vendors as well, for they're input. And NO, I'm NOT going to "re-program" my riding style!  
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Temps in the 20s at night and low 40s during the day! My america won't start. I don't think the Procoms like cold weather. Supposed to get into the 50s this week, might try #8 like Chy said. Other than the "hard to start in the cold" I'm pretty happy with the Procom. $200 something was better than $650. Hey we own Triumphs, we like to tinker and try new things!
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Try pulling the choke out half way mine wont start in cold weather with the choke all the way out .
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My bike never liked full choke it just floods it out. Half choke does work most of the time, thanks for the info. Right now just waiting for May and the GA Rally. My bike is up on a Jack and on a Batt tender so no starting the bike for me for awhile. Snow coming tomorrow!!!
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Im still having cold start issues. Called the guy at procom. Seems to have not heard of this before. Didnt really have any answer other than try some different maps. I tend to think they have missed something with their program.
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Are you running the stock map? I was having that issue. I forget which maps I tried, but went back to the default stock map and the problem went away.
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Sure seems to more people with issues with these Procoms, than those completely satisfied. I'm dreading the day my CDI dies.
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Sure seems to more people with issues with these Procoms, than those completely satisfied. I'm dreading the day my CDI dies.
I hear ya, Ryk. "... the day my CDI dies." It's as though we all expect it. Not a comfortable scenario. Procom users are not all having the best of times it seems.
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Yes I was running the stock map. This problem didnt seem to be all that bad until the temps dropped. I guess I can use it in the summer.
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My bike (even before going to the procom) always struggled when it was cold outside. After going to iridium spark plugs that helped.
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Sure seems to more people with issues with these Procoms, than those completely satisfied. I'm dreading the day my CDI dies.
I hear ya, Ryk. "... the day my CDI dies." It's as though we all expect it. Not a comfortable scenario. Procom users are not all having the best of times it seems.
Maybe we need a Magneto option or something like the Davis Unified Ignitions available for car and truck motors. I run DUI s on two of my jeeps, super reliable. I hope Procom gets it together by the time the rest of us need an option.
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Since new I had but to turn on the fuel, pull the choke full and no matter how cold it would fire in the first 3 to 5 revolutions with the exception of some very cold mornings would remain running, rough at first but would soon smooth out at high idle... I'd push it to the half notch and I was good to go. That was ten years ago(anniversary today) and that worked everytime... until I had to replace my CDI now it's a whole new ball game and it just bugs me to no end. I mean what else could it be but the ignition timing during sartup? It doesn't control fuel so what else could it be? And what the heck is with the neutral light pulsing? I have no issues with performance.. but dang it all man, I'm just not satisfied with their product. Okay..end of rant for now (trash got me started up about it again) Anyway, I have developed a technique that works better.. not great but better. I pull the choke on full and begin spinning the engine. After 3 revolutions I push the choke full in and the bike will almost always try to fire... If it kicks off I pull the choke back on full and it will continue running rough at first but the idle will stabilize after a few seconds (like any other carbureted engine) if it doesn't kick off, I repeat the process. Did get her out for an anniversary run today after work though... niiiiiiice 
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Since new I had but to turn on the fuel, pull the choke full and no matter how cold it would fire in the first 3 to 5 revolutions with the exception of some very cold mornings would remain running, rough at first but would soon smooth out at high idle... I'd push it to the half notch and I was good to go.
That was ten years ago(anniversary today) and that worked everytime... until I had to replace my CDI now it's a whole new ball game and it just bugs me to no end. I mean what else could it be but the ignition timing during sartup? It doesn't control fuel so what else could it be? And what the heck is with the neutral light pulsing? I have no issues with performance.. but dang it all man, I'm just not satisfied with their product.
Okay..end of rant for now (trash got me started up about it again) Anyway, I have developed a technique that works better.. not great but better.
I pull the choke on full and begin spinning the engine. After 3 revolutions I push the choke full in and the bike will almost always try to fire... If it kicks off I pull the choke back on full and it will continue running rough at first but the idle will stabilize after a few seconds (like any other carbureted engine) if it doesn't kick off, I repeat the process.
Did get her out for an anniversary run today after work though... niiiiiiice
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Are people with the pieman modules having these same sort of problems?
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If only the stock unit wasnt $600 (or whatever it is) to replace.
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Chy, Im sorry for getting you all rung up again. But it had me all hot and pissed off too. I think a after market ecu should at least allow you to start with out all this trouble. I had been doing much as you said with the choke play. Until that didn't work the other day. As I told ya. I put my oem igniter back on it fired right up no fuss no bother. 
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Chy we must be telapathic or just crazy! I did the exact thing you are doing, pull choke half way if it catches then pull all the way out it let it sputter for awhile.
Superbowl weekend the temps reached 48 degrees here in Indy. We left the house the temp was 42. It took me 10 mins of cranking to get the bike started but it was a great ride down town checking out all the happenings, all the NYG and Patriot fans walkin around.
I think I had it on Half choke for about 5 miles and I only live 8 miles from the stadium.
Rode for about 2 hours and the bike finally started acting like its normal self. The wife and I had to wear heavy leather coats, long johns under the jeans and chaps and I had winter gloves.
All and all a good day to ride.
I think once the weather warms up this Procom Ignition will be OK. Like me it doesn't like cold weather.
Hope to make it to Georgia again this year, right now its a little IF-y!
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No... thats why I chose to have TPUSA send mine to TriumphTwinPower (thats piemans business).
The Procom is a great option for a replacement to a dead CDI though and once you have it tuned your good to go.
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Guys, I feel your pain with the Procom units. It is always starting, idle and low throttle opening that isn't easy to get right and Procom didn't get it right for the early non- programmable units or these later programmable units. If I knew the base advance curve they use in their units, I could write a map that would kick arse, but that information understandably isn't forthcoming.
I'm pretty sure it's the positioning of the igniter on Americas and Speedmasters that cause the units to fail, just in the right position to be cooked by the engine and also get nice and wet in bad weather. The Scramblers don't have a problem with the exact same 270° igniter failing because it is positioned under the seat and out of harms way like the Bonnie and Thruxton.
Repositioning of the igniter would be a nightmare mainly due to needing an extension loom with the correct connectors fitted, which are virtually impossible to find. I'm surprised nobody has come up with some sort of weather guard / heat deflector to protect the igniter unit for Americas and Speedmasters.
Your best bet might be to keep your eyes open for second hand units on eBay, there's an 06 Speedmaster igniter on there now for a reasonable price.
Anyway don't forget I offer a service just to raise the rev limit on OEM igniter units as well ignition advance modification.
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My OEM CDI doesn't have the "T" in front of the 1291150. Is it still the same unit with or without the "T"?
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It is the same unit with or without the "T". Could you tell me your sticker info, it'll be something like 1291150 xxx x xxx xx - EVAP, cheers.
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Guys, I feel your pain with the Procom units. It is always starting, idle and low throttle opening that isn't easy to get right and Procom didn't get it right for the early non- programmable units or these later programmable units. If I knew the base advance curve they use in their units, I could write a map that would kick arse, but that information understandably isn't forthcoming.
I'm pretty sure it's the positioning of the igniter on Americas and Speedmasters that cause the units to fail, just in the right position to be cooked by the engine and also get nice and wet in bad weather. The Scramblers don't have a problem with the exact same 270° igniter failing because it is positioned under the seat and out of harms way like the Bonnie and Thruxton.
Repositioning of the igniter would be a nightmare mainly due to needing an extension loom with the correct connectors fitted, which are virtually impossible to find. I'm surprised nobody has come up with some sort of weather guard / heat deflector to protect the igniter unit for Americas and Speedmasters.
Your best bet might be to keep your eyes open for second hand units on eBay, there's an 06 Speedmaster igniter on there now for a reasonable price.
Anyway don't forget I offer a service just to raise the rev limit on OEM igniter units as well ignition advance modification.
Keep the rubber side down.
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I haven't tried the new programmable igniters, but I did try one of the old Procom igniters and couldn't get in due to differing comms protocols.
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Do people with standard Bonnevilles have same problems using Procom igniter as we have?
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I guess, for ONCE in my life, I've been blessed. I got one from Moe, plugged it in, and it's been perfect from the get-go!  The only change I've noticed is that I used to start it with a cold motor under full choke, regardless if it was 90 outside, or 60. (I don't ride in temps under 60  ) Now, I start the cold motor at half choke. No big deal. (Excuse me now, I must find some wood to knock on.) 
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I'm pretty sure it's the positioning of the igniter on Americas and Speedmasters that cause the units to fail, .....
Repositioning of the igniter would be a nightmare mainly due to needing an extension loom with the correct connectors fitted, which are virtually impossible to find.
I'm suprised the male and female connectors are so hard to find. I just spent over an hour looking on the GILL site and others but no luck.
I'd love to find a plug in extension harness to relocate my CDI unit to the seat area. I might just cut the harness and solder in an extension piece using the old connector.
Mike, if someone had a newer Procom CDI and they wanted you to reprogram it, would you be able too? Your map appears to not have the starting issues?
Never mind, I just read your post above stating you haven't seen one of the new ones yet. Let us know if you can.
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...I'm pretty sure it's the positioning of the igniter on Americas and Speedmasters that cause the units to fail, just in the right position to be cooked by the engine and also get nice and wet in bad weather. The Scramblers don't have a problem with the exact same 270° igniter failing because it is positioned under the seat and out of harms way like the Bonnie and Thruxton.
Repositioning of the igniter would be a nightmare mainly due to needing an extension loom with the correct connectors fitted, which are virtually impossible to find. I'm surprised nobody has come up with some sort of weather guard / heat deflector to protect the igniter unit for Americas and Speedmasters...
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I did look in to this a couple of years ago, but the main reason I dropped it was due to cost. The man hours required to solder/connect 22 tiny pins would be high and then there's the connectors, harness and heat shrink. Is there a viable position to mount the igniter under the seat or there abouts if it were possible to produce it?
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I believe those that have the oem airbox could mount the relocated CDI on top of the airbox. Maybe secure it to one of the 'Y' top tube frame rails.
Now there is a hollow in the 'V' formed by the top tube plates welded to the frame. Have to remove the tank to see it if memory serves me. That too might be a spot.
As an alternative to a private endeavor manufacturing an extension cable/harness, I wonder what the time invested would be to get a recall done by Triumph corporate requiring them to fashion a relocation kit similar in scope to that of the rear brake reservoir kit they made up way back when.
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I wonder what the time invested would be to get a recall done by Triumph corporate requiring them to fashion a relocation kit similar in scope to that of the rear brake reservoir kit they made up way back when.
Yeah, good luck with that. I can't see Triumph recalling every America and Speedmaster between 2002-2008 for a non safety issue, can you?
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Seems to me like the heat/water shield idea would be easier, cheaper, etc. than relocation.
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Seems to me like the heat/water shield idea would be easier, cheaper, etc. than relocation.
Unless you are willing to solder in the extension yourself.
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