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Here is an idea....
List your bike's model year
What mods/changes you have done to your bike
And most importantly which Procom map (or custom map) you are using

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Ok. '03 Speedy. Airbox drilled-Unifilter-140mains-16" open shorty pipes.
I'm using the first mod map. There were no presets then and
I made it myself after talking to Wesley at Procom.
It reads: 0 degree change up to 1900rpm.
2.5 degree advanced from 2k to 4.5krpm.
3.5 advaned from 5k to 7k.
2 degree from 7k to 9krpm.
I've never revved it beyond about 8300, though.
That help?


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Perfect. It'll be good to use this thread for a kind of refrence guide for other people installing and programming the Procom igniter.

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'04 Speedmaster.
Nology coils, wires and spark plugs. snorkle removed. Fishtail pipes with steel wool baffling.
Procom map #5

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03 America
rear baffles removed
2 half inch holes drilled in the next baffle plate
all else is stock
map #5

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2002 america stock exhaust all baffles removed cept 1 thats drilled with six holes apiece, 155 mains, 45 pilots,thruxton needle, pod filters , 16 tooth front sprocket, ai gone, procom set on number 5, pulls strong up 2, 9000 rpm every gear used to cut out with old ignitor , now she pulls like a train especially between 4500, and 6000 rpm

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Got a 03 America with 125 main 42 pilot one shim under thunderbird needles and unfilter air filter and Harley sportster muffler with 3/8 hold in baffeld. Running a 16 thooth primary sprocked and 42 on back. Will top out at about 82mph 5th. and 95 mph in 4 th but when go back to 5th can't hold. I pushing a 200 lbs. sidecar.Rudy

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Forgot I have a procom set on 6. Never hit rev limiter.Rudy

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07 America stock except for K&N filter. Set dial on Procom to 6 per the instructions and running the stock map in the unit.


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Are guys having good experiences with these units in terms of ease of use and performance? I started carrying these because someone wanted one and I have no personal experience with them.

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I would be interested to hear if the Pro Com ignitor can provide any improvement over stock on the 865 powered bikes. Sounds like it helps the 790 motor, but not sure what results folks may have obtained on the 865 motor.

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Hello young man.

I'm getting ready to re-install my procom ignitor. I believe it to be faulty. I have contacted Wesley about it and he said to try a different map.

I'll be doing that soon as the warranty expires in January. When I last emailed Wesley, I was in the mist of preparing for the Nor-East Rally and couldn't be bothered with reinstalling a faulty unit to prove a point. I guess I am ready now eh?

Merry Christmas Eddy.

P.S.: I believe most folks that have one have had no problems.


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Soren #395269 01/10/2011 4:33 PM
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What are the determinants of a minor modified machine?
a general modified machine?
an aggressively modified machine?

CMTBSA-01
This map is designed for beginning riders on stock machine.

CMTBSA-02
This map is designed for medium-level riders on stock machine.

CMTBSA-03
This map is designed for advanced riders on stock machine.

CMTBSA-04
This map is designed for beginning riders on minor modified machine.

CMTBSA-05
This map is designed for medium-level riders on minor modified machine.

CMTBSA-06
This map is designed for advanced riders on minor modified machine.

CMTBSA-07
This map is designed for beginning riders on general modified machine.

CMTBSA-08
This map is designed for medium-level riders on general modified machine.

CMTBSA-09
This map is designed for advanced riders on general modified machine.

CMTBSA-10
This map is designed for riders on aggressively modified machine.


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Soren #395270 01/11/2011 3:14 PM
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Got my replacement Procom CDI yesterday. Nice box.

Bike's model year: Pre-fire
Mods/changes to Cinnamon Girl: 130 mains, 45 pilot, TBS jet needle/one shim, D&D pipes, K&N drop in, main snorkel pulled, Polaris bellmouth.
Procom map: CMTBSA-09.Pecu

Started her cold this morning. Full choke fuel on, then moved choke to 3/4. BANG! Oops. Pushed choke all the way in and she wanted to start. So pulled the knob out to about 1/2 choke and she fired right up. Warmed up good and idled nicely.

Hooked up the zumo and called up some J.J. Cale...

Rode sedately for 4 miles or so then when Devil's Nurse came up in the que, the throttle got hammered in second gear and I felt the front end get real light. Hum. Better watch that on corner exits now.

From a stand still she rolls on about the same as she did with the oem cdi. That is until you hit 3.5K rpm. Then watch out! From second she pulls hard till ya shift to third and once again she gets light up front. Third really requires 4.5K + to accelerate away properly, (read lean forward to weight the front wheel).

Got her to work with no shut off issues while idling. One thing to note: her neutral light flickers a little while idling. Off idle (while still in neutral) it doesn't.

Time will tell. But map 9 is a major improvement over the oem cdi. Just last night I rode her home with the oem cdi. Then riding her this morning was a yute'ish experience.

About 3 miles out from work this morning on the causeway, I stopped her then with Closer To You playing, I ran her through the gears. WOW! She really likes to accelerate from 5K+ when rolling 40 mph. Downshifting from fifth to fourth while doing 50mph then accelerating is about the same as oem. However, drop her to third and omg. You could say I got a little taste.

There you have it. Time will tell if the procom cdi has a half life longer than 50 miles.


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Thanks Moe. I guess this answers my question from the other thread.


Blue/White 2007 TBA, Thruxton needles, Unifilter, AI removed, Polaris Bellmouth, Bubs, Nology Coils/wires, Lightbar, Ricor Intiminators, Hagon Nitros, Tall Sissy Bar w/luggage rack, Dart flyscreen & Lowers. 130 Mains, TrueGel Battery MG12-BS.
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Conwy #395272 01/11/2011 6:00 PM
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Well I just answered your other thread question too! Going in circles eh?


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hay Moe how about old farts with a sidecar and a 2003 America.Rudy

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I put mine on 11


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always crank it to 11


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Yota I saw how you operate at Y city. I would take the advice of a cub scot frist.Rudy

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Oh by the way I was by the Battes motel at Y City about a month ago. And I think they or still in busness. I couldn't see if the green water was still in the pool.Rudy

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we need to go there again


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Hi guy's...and girls
Have som questions about this Procom-stuff and hope you can enlighten me some here!!! Does this T-number stand on the box in the bike??? have checked all my 'papers' but cant find any number that even looks like one of those listet!

I have a BA 2002

It says in the sales-arguments that i can increase the effeckt with 500 rpm. What do this means in real life? Horsepower?

Is it worth the money???

Thanks for any answers on this basic, kind of silly questions, hehehehe

Have a nice day anyway you bikers out there!!!!

geijo

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I'm eyeing the Procom too, waiting for a few spare buck$. From what I hear, it helps your engine to rev. quicker(HP gain?). you can also increase the red line, I wouldn't go overboard with it thou. The number you are looking for is on the CDI (the box) on the bike.


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Thanks Two Wheel
Need more engine power, but I dont want to re-build the engine. Plug-and-play options are okey for now:)

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Do you already have a freer flowing intake and exhaust? There's a lot you can do without rebuilding the engine.


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Hello FriarJohn!
I have the Spesialty Spares exhaust and the air-filter-removal-kit from newbonnevilleamerica.com ....some backfire still but works like a godess:)))

I am not a mechanic but I am learning all the way here so if you have more tips than I will be thankfull:)))

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05 Speedy, 904, 19 inch turnouts, 135/42 jets, gutted airbox with restrictor plate removed, k&n filter.
Procom dial set to 6, running map #9.


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Okay, can somebody just tell me which map to use? Just got my Pro-com from Eddy. I've set the switch to 4 for my stock CDI.

2002, 790cc, no internal mods, K&N filters, short Specialty Spares pipes. I believe I'm running stock 120 pilots, 145 mains, and TBS needles with no shims.

I'm thinking 5 or 6.


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Please? Pretty please with cherries on top?


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i belive i used 5 when i was set up simularly ..also i think it would only run on two dif premaps

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Did you try it with the default map or download one immediately?


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Try the default map first. I was using downloaded map #5, then map #3, but have settled on the default map. I was having idling problems with #3 and #5.

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My setup is a little different (865, stock except TORS), but I am running the default map and like Soren the only thing I have noticed is a change in the idling, esp. when cold. Means I have had to change how much and how long I apply the choke on a cold start to compensate for whatever else changed.


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Hey Friar,
I installed the Procom last week, had a few issues at first set at #4 (stock) called FastEddie and he hasn't heard of any other problems. Mine was running rough, had to run almost full choke for 10 miles. Decided to try clicking to #5, now the bike starts with no choke and No Decel popping anymore. The bike runs better than it has in 5 years.
Oh mine is a TR 05 america 120 jets K&N filter TORS for pipes. Highly recommend the Procom CDI


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So did they procom site/documentation say you should run it on 4? I'm pretty sure that's what it said to run mine on, but I haven't run it yet.


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You turn the dial to the number that coresponds with the part number of your stock cdi.

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The stock number (P/N)on my 2004 Speedmaster stock CDI is:

T1291100

So,what number do I set the dial on the Procom CDI to?

Thanks,

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Well, that's the same number as mine and Procom says #4. But Steve said he had trouble on 4 and had to go to 5. I'll probably still try 4 first. Maybe his is a different number.


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Mods are at the bottom of post. I'm curious though, I'm not using anything but stock ignition and I don't hit the rev limiter in 4th until right at 100. Is this unusual?


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My 2005 is the same ignition as your 04. #4 was where the Pro-Comm directions said to set it at. But it ran like crap. I just took a chance and tried #5. I also went back to stock NGK plugs! Like I said it runs better now than the bike has in 5 years. No more Decel popping, I actually miss that. Evryone knew it was me coming down the street when it popped. Now I'm in Stealth mode.


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I couldn't handle not having my decel popping.

I LOVE IT!


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I'm ordering one this weekend. Of course I'll be going right to setting 10. Maybe it will be too much, what do they consider modified? 904, headwork, carbs, intakes, blah blah... Is 10 for a stroker? I just need to make sure my ignitor numbers match before I order it. I'll be doing a dyno run soon after to see if it makes a big difference anywhere in the power curve.


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ok might be ordering a cdi soon but the part# is missing on my stock cdi box any know what it is supposed to be 2005 america vin# 216483


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03 speedmaster, k&n pods, 155 mains, drilled slide,tps unpluged. Running position #7 and default map at the moment. No problems so far.

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Was it ever determined that the TPS needs to be hooked up for this to work properly? I just installed mine and it wants to be fully choked to start with default map, TPS unhooked.


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It's also got some sort of timing miss, seems to not like the default map. Gotta wait until 11 my time so I can call Procom.
I have nothing but Mac, and this is all set up for Windows...


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I found that if my TPS was unplugged it mis fired like mad... so, for now its hooked up.


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I'm not sure where I read it, but I think the TPS is supposed to be left connected with the Procomm. I have a similar engine to yours and I'm running #9. Not perfect, but close. I'm hoping to get a dyno soon so I can see what kind of hp I'm getting with the rev limiter at 8500.


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I talked to the guy in the tech department at Procom today and he said if I've been running it this long with the TPS disconnected, to leave it disconnected. He also told me to run map 7, 8, or 9 for what I have modified. Now I need to get a pc with Windows over here, as these are not Mac compatible. He told me if I have any problems, just to call, he's there just about every day all week.


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I'v had my tps unplugged for years. From what I had read on the rat forum lots of folks were running the procom with the tps disconnected with good results. Those running aftermarket carbs generally don't have access to a tps anyway. I had disconnected mine because of problems with my bike cuting off when it hit the rev limiter. Lately my bike had been missing on start up and tach acting up so I figured the cdi was getting ready to go hence my purchase of the procom unit. I'v only put a 100 miles on it with the procom so far. Its seems to run as well with no real issues except for a little longer warm up time.

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Got my box put in today set it on download #9 what is the difference between a minor mod engine, generally mod engine, and an aggressively mod engine?


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found this on pro com's web site
If you purchased a Procom CDI/ECU with the nine settings or that is fully reprogrammable, you can choose a setting based on your riding experience as well as aftermarket modifications. Please refer to the instruction sticker located on the back of our CDI/ECU.

* Think of a minor modified machine as one that has aftermarket parts that can easily be removed such as a slip on exhaust silencer, spark arrestor, etc.
* Think of a generally modified machine as one that has aftermarket modifications that are not very easy to remove such as full exhaust, air box, etc.
* Think of an aggressively modified machine as one that has aftermarket modifications that are permanent parts of your machine such as engine modification kits, dual exhaust, aftermarket clutch, etc.


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Installed the Procom CDI the other day. Finally got to take it out for a ride today. What a difference. So far after my first ride it feels as though it was worth every penny. Set it on #6 ,it's like a different bike. Can not wait to get the time to play around one day and try a new program. Bike has K&N's ,rejetted, aftermarket freeflowing mufflers,and a few other mods.

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I finally got my replacement unit installed today. The first one was faulty, the bike would not idle without shutting off, even at full operating temperature. I ran about 80 miles with the stock map on setting 4 for it's first trip. It seems somewhat sluggish when I whack the throttle, but it revs high and runs very smooth. I'm hoping to change the map to probably #9 tomorrow, need to go over to Dunnspeed's house since he has a windows pc. Hopefully it only gets better with a different map. The bike did shut off twice while I was out tonight at stop lights, don't know why it doesn't just act like a stock map.


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I've got a Procom installed on an America w/904bb,Bub pipes, AI removed and a lightened flywheel by 2 lbs. Not sure which setting it is on but I had a dyno run with the stock map and map #10. Being somewhat heavyly modified I would've thought the #10 map would have produced the most HP. Not so, stock map produce 75.9 hp. Map #10 was a couple less.

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I'm hoping to change the map to probably #9 tomorrow, need to go over to Dunnspeed's house since he has a windows pc. Hopefully it only gets better with a different map. The bike did shut off twice while I was out tonight at stop lights, don't know why it doesn't just act like a stock map.



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Roadworthy I noticed my bike did die a couple of times also. Then I realized that it was not warmed up quite yet.I also noticed the idle was a couple of hundred rpm's lower.I set the idle speed back up and once it is warmed up it does not seem to have a problem with stalling at an idle.

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I'm hoping to change the map to probably #9 tomorrow, need to go over to Dunnspeed's house since he has a windows pc. Hopefully it only gets better with a different map. The bike did shut off twice while I was out tonight at stop lights, don't know why it doesn't just act like a stock map.



How did things work out over at Chris', or have you not made it there yet?





Haven't made it over there yet. Now we're looking at triple digits all week so I probably won't be taking it out anyway.

I bumped up the idle speed after it cut off also, it was running around 200º so I think it was pretty much fully warmed up. But, it might have been idling a touch low anyway.


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Now running map #8. Not impressed yet, except with the high rev limit. I am loving that! Had #9 installed and it kept cutting off at idle. Don't know what's up with that. #8 still doesn't seem to run as hard as my stock box. Maybe I need to try #10, or call Procom and have them custom make a map for me.


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So today I ran maps 6 and 10. I don't know what it is but the unit can not keep up with hard acceleration. Once it gets past 2500, 3000 rpms, it's really nice, but off the line it does not respond well. Kyle at Procom custom made a new map for me and sent it over, I'll get it installed here soon and see if it makes a difference. He seems to think the spark is too far advanced for the lower rpms, especially when I go from stop to WOT.


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Cool. Shoot by when you can or maybe I'll run over there tomorrow.


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2002 BA, Thunderbike pipes, stock everything else except for a couple of notches up on the main jets.

Jury is still out on this unit.. set it on 4 per the instructions and while the first test drive of around 50 miles was good, the next one gave me a starting issue after refueling (acted as though it were flooded) and died at stops twice and I too have a flickering neutral light at idle.
I have since readjusted and synched the carbs and while the garage test was good, I haven't ridden it since to confirm. Might try position 5 like Sixmil but hey, if it cuts out the decel pop, I guess it will just have to die at stops..

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chy,

Same symptoms as both my procom cdis. Cinnamon Girl installs only. I adjusted the hals gap to .8mmm, yet have not re-installed the procom to check it out again.

Time for an install again. gonna try all the maps, baseline first.


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Allrighty then.. having mediocre performance and some starting and idling issues on the recommended setting, today I got a bit more in depth..

I have an all bone stock 2002 bike except for Thunderbike pipes and I think I bumped the main jets up a couple of #'s when I installed the pipes.

I started by removing the tank and hooking up an alternate fuel source, then unbolted the cdi mounting bracket from the frame so I could see the numbers.

I adjusted and synchronized the carbs then I started at 0 and worked my way up..if it would start, I'd bring the rpms up to clear the cylinders then let it drop to an idle then blip the throttle. If it coughed or hesitated or seemed sluggish I moved on. If the response was okay I'd hold the engine at a good midrange rpm for about 5 seconds and listen for a nice even tone in the exhaust, blip the throttle then let it drop to an idle. If the exhaust tone seems to fluctuate or if it seems to stumble on the return to idle, you're not quite there.

I found my sweet spot on #8 and yes, I tried all the positions before settling in. This one gave me great response and smooth even roll from top to bottom.

From there I took it out on the road.. very nice, great torque all the way through the range, great response and solid idle. It pulls strong like it used to and has that delightful hi rpm power band that I love so. No low rpm bog or lag either.. however, I no longer have my beloved "pop,POP,pop from my pipes.... bummer that.

Starts good hot and I'll let y'all know about the cold starts when I can but for now, I'd say I've found my sweet spot... I s'pose time will tell.

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You mean position 8 on this little blue switch?!


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You mean position 8 on this little blue switch?!


Yep...

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So how does the bottom end off the line compare to the stock CDI? Then right on through? I ask because it is the bottom end performance I have been hearing bad things about and I may be in the market for at least 1 CDI soon.


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Ian, I am still in the process of getting mine dialed in, I have had pretty poor results so far unfortunately. I still have some things to try, need to run it with the TPS hooked up. I have a custom map made for my bike using the feedback that I have given them over the phone. With the maps provided I had poor throttle response in the low end, or not enough roll on power up top. I really wish this was a direct replacement for the stock ignitor program with a higher rev limit. Bouncing off the limiter was really the main reason I got one. Anyone having problems with cutting out at idle, or the neutral light flickering, or anything else, should really call Procom and talk to Kyle, every time I tell him about some issue that I think shouldn't be happening, he acts like I'm the only one that's ever said anything about it.

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I agree Dave, I would like a direct replacement with a little more top end RPM available. My bike is still pulling hard when it hits the limiter. I wonder why they set it where they did if higher RPM won't hurt anything and the engine is still pulling.


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I'm tickled pink with the all around performance right now... idles good and runs great, no stumble or sag off the line. If the cold start/running condition is squared away as well, I'll be good to go.. now if only I could get back my decel popping.

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SO is that two thumbs up for the Procom CDI unit??? Think I might be getting one soon!


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I think the jury is still out, Chy and cold starts and Dave still tweeking.


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Allrighty then.. having mediocre performance and some starting and idling issues on the recommended setting, today I got a bit more in depth...

...I started at 0 and worked my way up..if it would start, I'd bring the rpms up to clear the cylinders then let it drop to an idle then blip the throttle. If it coughed or hesitated or seemed sluggish I moved on. If the response was okay I'd hold the engine at a good midrange rpm for about 5 seconds and listen for a nice even tone in the exhaust, blip the throttle then let it drop to an idle. If the exhaust tone seems to fluctuate or if it seems to stumble on the return to idle, you're not quite there.

I found my sweet spot on #8 and yes, I tried all the positions before settling in. This one gave me great response and smooth even roll from top to bottom.




From a jack to a king er from blue dial position #4 to #8.

Interesting tack. And quite eloquent. Sometimes obvious courses of action are the most obscured. Your fuel event just might have solved my procom. issues.


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Well, I think I finally got a winner here, custom map made by Kyle at Procom, TPS hooked up again, dial on #4. Nice smooth acceleration all the way through the range, pulls strong up to about 9 grand. Haven't needed to go any higher than that, really don't get up above 8500 much. Mostly when launching onto the highway. Lost a touch off the line, but I'll attribute that to the new 18 tooth front sprocket instead of the ignitor. I like it now.


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I got one of the first Procoms when they first came out a couple years ago and installed in on my 06 790cc America. The results were awesome with the recommended settings and one of the few maps available at that time.

Then it started dying at stops and difficult cold starting. Eventually I returned it to Procom who promptly replaced it, I paid the shipping one way.

The replacement didn't seem as well put together as the original and displayed similar operating characteristics to the first one using the recommended settings.

At one point I had both the OEM and the Procom mounted under my tank and could switch the wiring harness between the two. The last time I tried to use it, it acted as though it was intermittently switching between 270 and 360 degree mode. I went less than a mile and switched back to my OEM CDI.

Later, after removing the Procom completely I hooked it up again trying different settings and apparently decided on #5 but I remember just starting the bike and letting it idle to see how long it would idle before shutting down. At first it was a couple minutes but finally it was less than 30 seconds so I concluded that there must be a heat problem and was thinking about a heat sink configuration but that was well over a year ago.

Since then I haven't put much time in working on the bike but more in riding. Also, I've thought about possibly there might be some low voltage issues the Procom is more sensitive to than the OEM after reading the threads about low voltage issues with our bikes but haven't followed through on that either.

Since reading CHY's post on the other thread about the gas pump incident and his revisiting his procom issue which seem to be common issues, I pulled mine off the shelf just to see what the last setting I used which was #5. The label on the back of the unit indicated that numbers 8, 9, and 0 are reserved for factory stuff so I never tried those.

I guess if I have a question in all this it would be, has the factory made some changes in the last couple years making #8 openly available on newer modules or do they still list #8 as a factory port? If not, I'll tinker with mine again and see if I can get it to function using the CHY technique plus I'll verify my voltage at the module. I would really like to get the thing working. I love the performance increases when it all gee haws just right. But even though I enjoy tinkering, I would rather be riding so I need something that is gonna stay the course for the long haul.

I'm not running down Procom. I'm grateful that somebody finally offered us an alternative to the OEM and the rev limits that shut us down just when its gettin good. But I also understand that when the tech is new there are bugs to be worked out. Its been a learning experience for me and there are factors I didn't previously consider mainly due to limitations in time and a greater desire to ride than to tinker. Sounds like from this thread that Procom has been working with most everyone and what issues arise have been easily resolved or maybe just lived with but thanks to CHy's gas pump incident I'm encouraged to give mine another go.


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See, those issues are what I'm talking about. The guys at Procom kept acting like they had never heard of anyone else having idling problems. I really think more people need to contact them and make them make it right.


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Well.. moving along to #6..
#8 worked great for the most part but the cold start and performance became an issue.
Since I've had this bike, it will spin over no more than 5 or 6 times before it either pops or starts now matter how long it has been sitting, but not anymore. Last week, it was only in the 50's and I had a bit of a time starting up cold. I never spin the engine for more than 10 seconds at a time.. (10 secs on, 30 secs off) and was on near the end of my second go round before it popped off... hmmmm says I.

Yesterday afternoon I again had some difficulty getting it started when I pulled it out of the shed. Again it had to spin over many times before finally firing up so I thought this morning would be better as I had run it yesterday but that was not so. Granted , it was a bit chilly but I have ridden that bike in much colder temps and never had an issue.

It spun through 2, 10 sec. cycles without so much as a pop.. while on my 30 second break on the second go round, I detected the smell of raw fuel so I pushed in the choke at which time it tried to fire up but it took me several more attempts to get it running enough so I could slowly engage the choke to get her to smooth out.

Stumbles galore for the first 5 miles everytime I would roll on power till I finally got out on the open road. I had to stop a couple of times to warm my hands on the jugs but left it running both times. At the second stop however, it stalled as I attempted to pull back into the road and started back with some difficulty.

At my rest stop at 76/60, I let it sit for about 15 to 20 minutes as I warmed up a bit and again it had to spin for some time before firing up and then stalled immediately afterward. At this point I didn't feel so good about that long lonely trip up 68 to Tellico by myself so i opted for the road back home.

This afternoon Nemo came by and we tweaked some more with the procom.. again, #6 this time, so far so good but we'll see whats what when it gets a bit cooler.

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Having the same problems Chy. As the temps drop its getting more and more difficult to start. Installed mine over the summer and it had mostly been doing fine. Minor issues with starting but now its getting really difficult.

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I have been following this thread for quite awhile and have a few comments and questions. If I ever get time to install the 904 kit on my 03 I was just going to go with the Triumph Twin ignitor upgrade. It seems like there are very few complaints about these units so I have to assume the reliability is good. I just wonder why I would need all the different settings available with the Procom unit. These are not race bikes and reading the comments on this thread most of those settings are useless not to mention the starting problems that seem to pop up for many of the users. I would appreciate comments, am I way out to lunch here or just missing something.

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It was simple math for me.. my igniter failed and I didn't have 6 to 7 hundred dollars to spend on an OE replacement, which I would have preferred. The multiple settings theoretically make it usable on wide variety of applications to include the 360 engines and I could have done without the "performance upgrade" myself but I didn't have that choice.

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Seems to me the disadvantages out weigh the advantages, the higher rev limit would be cool but not at the cost of performance. I'll opt for the OE unit if I need one.


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I think I'm going to send my stock one to Pieman for a remap since I have the Procom on the bike now. Maybe have him set the rev limit at 9000 and leave everything else alone. I think I like the Procom unit, it took a long time to get it dialed in, but it seems to be pretty nice now. Maybe just a bit more fine tuning to do.


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Since Woody used my stock ignitor, fixed by Chy in Prescott in June, to get home from British Columbia (and then some), it's likely that if/when I get Bollox running again I'll use the stock unit and carry the pro-com as a backup.


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Is any body trying to change one of the "stock" timing advance maps? Maybe retard from 0-1000 rpm by say by ~5* (while the starter is trying to start) might help with the starting issue. I'm on the fence on Procom vs. OEM CDI's


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The Pieman (Triumph Twin Power) upgrade is what I was referring to in my previous post. TPUSA is the North American supplier and they are listed on their website.

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Well, due to the lack of availability of a stock, used CDI (or the pride sellers of used units seem to have for the stock ones ) I am probably going to buy Troy's Procom.

I've followed the threads on these, and am MORE than a little concerned.

One MAIN issue I have, that has not been mentioned before, is my uncommon riding habits.

I ALWAYS skip gears while riding. I shift 1, 3, 5th, always running through the rpm's till the rev limiter hits.

If rolling at low speeds (not making a complete stop), I shift 2, 4, & 5th. Again, always till the rev limiter hits (unless TOTALLY not appropreate )

It SEEMS as though I get on quicker by eliminating the time for the two extra shifts, and from 7.4 (7.5?) K rpm's, it hits right at the sweet spot for torque (acceleration) when hitting the next (two up) gear. That's the MAIN hopes for the Procom, to up the rev limit to what, 8, 8.5, 9K.

Actually, I prefer this EVEN when shifting around 5K on relaxed riding.

I guess I'LL be the guinea pig on this one.

Any input on the best setting for this type riding.

I'll contact the vendors as well, for they're input.

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Temps in the 20s at night and low 40s during the day! My america won't start. I don't think the Procoms like cold weather. Supposed to get into the 50s this week, might try #8 like Chy said. Other than the "hard to start in the cold" I'm pretty happy with the Procom. $200 something was better than $650. Hey we own Triumphs, we like to tinker and try new things!
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Try pulling the choke out half way mine wont start in cold weather with the choke all the way out .

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My bike never liked full choke it just floods it out. Half choke does work most of the time, thanks for the info. Right now just waiting for May and the GA Rally. My bike is up on a Jack and on a Batt tender so no starting the bike for me for awhile. Snow coming tomorrow!!!

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Im still having cold start issues. Called the guy at procom. Seems to have not heard of this before. Didnt really have any answer other than try some different maps. I tend to think they have missed something with their program.

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Are you running the stock map? I was having that issue. I forget which maps I tried, but went back to the default stock map and the problem went away.

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Sure seems to more people with issues with these Procoms, than those completely satisfied. I'm dreading the day my CDI dies.

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I hear ya, Ryk. "... the day my CDI dies." It's as though we all expect it. Not a comfortable scenario. Procom users are not all having the best of times it seems.


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Yes I was running the stock map. This problem didnt seem to be all that bad until the temps dropped. I guess I can use it in the summer.

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My bike (even before going to the procom) always struggled when it was cold outside. After going to iridium spark plugs that helped.

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I hear ya, Ryk. "... the day my CDI dies." It's as though we all expect it. Not a comfortable scenario. Procom users are not all having the best of times it seems.



Maybe we need a Magneto option or something like the Davis Unified Ignitions available for car and truck motors. I run DUI s on two of my jeeps, super reliable. I hope Procom gets it together by the time the rest of us need an option.

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Since new I had but to turn on the fuel, pull the choke full and no matter how cold it would fire in the first 3 to 5 revolutions with the exception of some very cold mornings would remain running, rough at first but would soon smooth out at high idle... I'd push it to the half notch and I was good to go.
That was ten years ago(anniversary today) and that worked everytime... until I had to replace my CDI now it's a whole new ball game and it just bugs me to no end. I mean what else could it be but the ignition timing during sartup? It doesn't control fuel so what else could it be? And what the heck is with the neutral light pulsing? I have no issues with performance.. but dang it all man, I'm just not satisfied with their product.

Okay..end of rant for now (trash got me started up about it again) Anyway, I have developed a technique that works better.. not great but better.

I pull the choke on full and begin spinning the engine. After 3 revolutions I push the choke full in and the bike will almost always try to fire... If it kicks off I pull the choke back on full and it will continue running rough at first but the idle will stabilize after a few seconds (like any other carbureted engine) if it doesn't kick off, I repeat the process.

Did get her out for an anniversary run today after work though... niiiiiiice

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Since new I had but to turn on the fuel, pull the choke full and no matter how cold it would fire in the first 3 to 5 revolutions with the exception of some very cold mornings would remain running, rough at first but would soon smooth out at high idle... I'd push it to the half notch and I was good to go.
That was ten years ago(anniversary today) and that worked everytime... until I had to replace my CDI now it's a whole new ball game and it just bugs me to no end. I mean what else could it be but the ignition timing during sartup? It doesn't control fuel so what else could it be? And what the heck is with the neutral light pulsing? I have no issues with performance.. but dang it all man, I'm just not satisfied with their product.

Okay..end of rant for now (trash got me started up about it again) Anyway, I have developed a technique that works better.. not great but better.

I pull the choke on full and begin spinning the engine. After 3 revolutions I push the choke full in and the bike will almost always try to fire... If it kicks off I pull the choke back on full and it will continue running rough at first but the idle will stabilize after a few seconds (like any other carbureted engine) if it doesn't kick off, I repeat the process.

Did get her out for an anniversary run today after work though... niiiiiiice



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Are people with the pieman modules having these same sort of problems?


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If only the stock unit wasnt $600 (or whatever it is) to replace.

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Chy, Im sorry for getting you all rung up again. But it had me all hot and pissed off too. I think a after market ecu should at least allow you to start with out all this trouble. I had been doing much as you said with the choke play. Until that didn't work the other day. As I told ya. I put my oem igniter back on it fired right up no fuss no bother.

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Chy we must be telapathic or just crazy! I did the exact thing you are doing, pull choke half way if it catches then pull all the way out it let it sputter for awhile.
Superbowl weekend the temps reached 48 degrees here in Indy. We left the house the temp was 42. It took me 10 mins of cranking to get the bike started but it was a great ride down town checking out all the happenings, all the NYG and Patriot fans walkin around.
I think I had it on Half choke for about 5 miles and I only live 8 miles from the stadium.
Rode for about 2 hours and the bike finally started acting like its normal self. The wife and I had to wear heavy leather coats, long johns under the jeans and chaps and I had winter gloves.
All and all a good day to ride.
I think once the weather warms up this Procom Ignition will be OK. Like me it doesn't like cold weather.
Hope to make it to Georgia again this year, right now its a little IF-y!
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No... thats why I chose to have TPUSA send mine to TriumphTwinPower (thats piemans business).

The Procom is a great option for a replacement to a dead CDI though and once you have it tuned your good to go.


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Guys, I feel your pain with the Procom units. It is always starting, idle and low throttle opening that isn't easy to get right and Procom didn't get it right for the early non- programmable units or these later programmable units. If I knew the base advance curve they use in their units, I could write a map that would kick arse, but that information understandably isn't forthcoming.

I'm pretty sure it's the positioning of the igniter on Americas and Speedmasters that cause the units to fail, just in the right position to be cooked by the engine and also get nice and wet in bad weather. The Scramblers don't have a problem with the exact same 270° igniter failing because it is positioned under the seat and out of harms way like the Bonnie and Thruxton.

Repositioning of the igniter would be a nightmare mainly due to needing an extension loom with the correct connectors fitted, which are virtually impossible to find. I'm surprised nobody has come up with some sort of weather guard / heat deflector to protect the igniter unit for Americas and Speedmasters.

Your best bet might be to keep your eyes open for second hand units on eBay, there's an 06 Speedmaster igniter on there now for a reasonable price.

Anyway don't forget I offer a service just to raise the rev limit on OEM igniter units as well ignition advance modification.

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My OEM CDI doesn't have the "T" in front of the 1291150. Is it still the same unit with or without the "T"?


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It is the same unit with or without the "T". Could you tell me your sticker info, it'll be something like 1291150 xxx x xxx xx - EVAP, cheers.


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Guys, I feel your pain with the Procom units. It is always starting, idle and low throttle opening that isn't easy to get right and Procom didn't get it right for the early non- programmable units or these later programmable units. If I knew the base advance curve they use in their units, I could write a map that would kick arse, but that information understandably isn't forthcoming.

I'm pretty sure it's the positioning of the igniter on Americas and Speedmasters that cause the units to fail, just in the right position to be cooked by the engine and also get nice and wet in bad weather. The Scramblers don't have a problem with the exact same 270° igniter failing because it is positioned under the seat and out of harms way like the Bonnie and Thruxton.

Repositioning of the igniter would be a nightmare mainly due to needing an extension loom with the correct connectors fitted, which are virtually impossible to find. I'm surprised nobody has come up with some sort of weather guard / heat deflector to protect the igniter unit for Americas and Speedmasters.

Your best bet might be to keep your eyes open for second hand units on eBay, there's an 06 Speedmaster igniter on there now for a reasonable price.

Anyway don't forget I offer a service just to raise the rev limit on OEM igniter units as well ignition advance modification.

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I haven't tried the new programmable igniters, but I did try one of the old Procom igniters and couldn't get in due to differing comms protocols.


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Do people with standard Bonnevilles have same problems using Procom igniter as we have?


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I guess, for ONCE in my life, I've been blessed. I got one from Moe, plugged it in, and it's been perfect from the get-go!

The only change I've noticed is that I used to start it with a cold motor under full choke, regardless if it was 90 outside, or 60. (I don't ride in temps under 60 )

Now, I start the cold motor at half choke. No big deal.



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I'm pretty sure it's the positioning of the igniter on Americas and Speedmasters that cause the units to fail, .....
Repositioning of the igniter would be a nightmare mainly due to needing an extension loom with the correct connectors fitted, which are virtually impossible to find.




I'm suprised the male and female connectors are so hard to find. I just spent over an hour looking on the GILL site and others but no luck.

I'd love to find a plug in extension harness to relocate my CDI unit to the seat area. I might just cut the harness and solder in an extension piece using the old connector.

Mike, if someone had a newer Procom CDI and they wanted you to reprogram it, would you be able too? Your map appears to not have the starting issues?

Never mind, I just read your post above stating you haven't seen one of the new ones yet. Let us know if you can.

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...I'm pretty sure it's the positioning of the igniter on Americas and Speedmasters that cause the units to fail, just in the right position to be cooked by the engine and also get nice and wet in bad weather. The Scramblers don't have a problem with the exact same 270° igniter failing because it is positioned under the seat and out of harms way like the Bonnie and Thruxton.

Repositioning of the igniter would be a nightmare mainly due to needing an extension loom with the correct connectors fitted, which are virtually impossible to find. I'm surprised nobody has come up with some sort of weather guard / heat deflector to protect the igniter unit for Americas and Speedmasters...




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I did look in to this a couple of years ago, but the main reason I dropped it was due to cost. The man hours required to solder/connect 22 tiny pins would be high and then there's the connectors, harness and heat shrink. Is there a viable position to mount the igniter under the seat or there abouts if it were possible to produce it?

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I believe those that have the oem airbox could mount the relocated CDI on top of the airbox. Maybe secure it to one of the 'Y' top tube frame rails.

Now there is a hollow in the 'V' formed by the top tube plates welded to the frame. Have to remove the tank to see it if memory serves me. That too might be a spot.

As an alternative to a private endeavor manufacturing an extension cable/harness, I wonder what the time invested would be to get a recall done by Triumph corporate requiring them to fashion a relocation kit similar in scope to that of the rear brake reservoir kit they made up way back when.


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I wonder what the time invested would be to get a recall done by Triumph corporate requiring them to fashion a relocation kit similar in scope to that of the rear brake reservoir kit they made up way back when.




Yeah, good luck with that. I can't see Triumph recalling every America and Speedmaster between 2002-2008 for a non safety issue, can you?


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Seems to me like the heat/water shield idea would be easier, cheaper, etc. than relocation.


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Seems to me like the heat/water shield idea would be easier, cheaper, etc. than relocation.



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Like I said, seems to me...


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Can't we just get rid of the big ugly thing without much of a performance loss?

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I want a condenser with those points....


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Yeah, good luck with that. I can't see Triumph recalling every America and Speedmaster between 2002-2008 for a non safety issue, can you?




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My 2006 America is sitting waiting for a Procom CDI because my OEM one crapped out. So in the mean time I'm riding my 1973 Honda CB450 with its points and condenser. The CDI on the Triumph sounds like progress to me, or maybe not?


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I just got an email from Wesley Zhou at procom. He said the engineers were looking into the info I gave him and he'd get back with me. We'll see. I'll pass it along if and when.... On another note. I don't want to go back to points. Electronic igntion was a great advance, it just needs to be done right...

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Somebody here mentioned always starting on half choke so I tried it and it starts better.. I think, it's been warmer lately so my results may vary if the temps dip again. Still miss my poppity pop on decel.... bummer that.

And I like points and condensers....and kick starters... now thats a motorsickle.

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Installed my new unit on tuesday set it on 4 as per instructions,Not firing,Set it on 8 nothing tried all other settings nothing.Battery fully charged and all connections fine i tried my old unit and bang no probs.Emailed procom eng no reply in 4 days.Reckon ive got a dud unit,Has anybody else had this problem?

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Eeeks! that sucks...

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It was a faulty unit,replacements on its way.
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Well , just installed my new Pro Com. The first time I thumbed the starter it barely turned over before firing off. Ran it for a minute and shut it off, then finished putting the seat and some other stuff back on my bike. When I went to start it the second time to take it on a test ride the bike cranked and cranked before it started. Once on the road the bike ran great. Stopped for lunch and when I went to restart again, cranked and cranked. Once it's running it's great but I hope the starting thing gets better.
Bike is lightly modified, snorkel removed from the air box, uni filter, debaffled pipes, one size up on the main and pilot jet. Pro Com running stock default map, pointer selector set on 6 where pro Com said it should be.
I am not looking to get creative with downloaded maps, I'm not looking for some big perfomance mod. I was happy with the bike the way it was running. I just want it to operate like stock.
The jury is still out

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Did you change the map or are you using the default map?

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I'm just running the stock default map.

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When my OEM unit died I went with a Procom unit because of the cost. It is extremely cold blooded but once warmed up it runs great. As a year round rider I just had to get use to letting the bike warm up a lot longer.


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Have you tried any other settings Robert?I tried a few and ended up on 6 and it starts and runs better than ever.

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Have you tried any other settings Robert?I tried a few and ended up on 8 and it starts and runs better than ever.



Are you referring to the little selector switch on the CDI itself, or one of downloadable maps?

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On the selector switch on the CDI.And it is 6 I'm on not 8

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It will run in several different positions.. just find the one that works best for you.

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It will run in several different positions.. just find the one that works best for you.




I didn't know that. I thought that it had to be on the right one according to the part number of your original CDI. That is good to know.

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Hi guys, I'm replacing my oem's as a means to hopefully fix this problem I have with my bike cutting out and stopping. I'm also looping the Side stand switch wires thereby disconnecting it. That's for starters but I also want to replace the connections to the regulator rectifer when i can find out which ones are the most appropriate.

Anyway, readiing this thread I'm concerned I may be buying more It trouble given all the prob people have had,

So Can someone reassure me these will work ok and perhaps let me know what switch on the unit to select for the best performance,

Much appreciated for any replies.


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Okay, here's where I'm at with the Procom. I got an old laptop with Windoze XP and now have it in the garage specifically for tuning my sickle. I took the custom map that Kyle in engineering made for me, and I am currently tweaking it and polishing it up to suit my specific riding style. There is a lot of advance so far, and when I think I have it close I will start tweaking the TPSvsRPM settings. So now, instead of it feeling a little flat until about 5000 rpm, I have it set pretty well except for under 2000. But, it's getting there. I'll keep posting as more info becomes available. I'm getting happier.


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Damn was I lucky!

I put mine in, set on 6, and never looked at it again.

I was, and probably still will(someday), gonna try 5, but I keep forgetting it's there.



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I just got mine and like others, it takes a little harder to start now (on the built-in map). It seems the unit needs a little more advance at cranking speeds.

I'm a little confused about downloading maps to the unit. The manual says to only download to pos 0. I'm running mine on pos 7. Surely I would have to download any map to pos 7 for it to be available?

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I have Wendys set on position 6 and it seems to start and run just fine.


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I'm a little confused about downloading maps to the unit. The manual says to only download to pos 0.




Slinky, I don't have one but I think it's like a few items I have dealt with. The factory presets are just that. And the user has one custom preset, that is what position 0 is for.


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I just got mine and like others, it takes a little harder to start now (on the built-in map). It seems the unit needs a little more advance at cranking speeds.

I'm a little confused about downloading maps to the unit. The manual says to only download to pos 0. I'm running mine on pos 7. Surely I would have to download any map to pos 7 for it to be available?





The way I understand it is that the number on the dial and the map you run do not do the same thing, you need to set your dial for your original igniter number and then decide which maps works best for your bike from there. Having the dial set to 6 does not mean run number 6 map, for example. Each dial setting has it's own default map, and you can download other maps to get it tuned in more.


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I get that the map number is not connected to the dial position, but if I download a map to pos #0 as per the manual, I don't see how flicking the dial back to #7 will activate the new map.

There is a poster on Trat.net who runs his on #1 position, he had to download the new map to #1 position, as far as I understand it.

I wish the software dealt in absolute values rather than relative values. I emailed Procom to ask if the base line corresponds to Triumph factory settings, and I got a reply to say that it does, but I'm pretty sure the Procom base map I am running is not the same ignition settings as the original Gill igniter.

I will try a couple of the downloaded maps, just don't want to screw things up so I'm trying to get a clear picture of where the dial goes for the download.


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once you set position, it should be done and not moved again, only changing the maps after that


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The instructions said to match the CDI with your CDI number then the various maps are for different riding style and experience levels. Then with a carb bike the tune of the carbs will effect starting and running along with the chosen map.


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once you set position, it should be done and not moved again, only changing the maps after that




Thanks, that is exactly what I was trying to clarify. The instructions are misleading in that respect.


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once you set position, it should be done and not moved again, only changing the maps after that




Thanks, that is exactly what I was trying to clarify. The instructions are misleading in that respect.





I thought that might be the case


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I think the reason most people are having problems is because their not being realistic about their engines performance state.

Unmodified, or slightly modified should probably try #5 (per Procom), and modified mildly should try #6.
I believe most are over rating their performance mod's, and think a higher number will BE a performance gain, which it WILL NOT!

Mine has modified intake, exhaust, gearing, and jetting. BUT NO INTERNAL ENGINE MOD'S !

I set mine on #6, and there were NO hard starts, or ANY OTHER ISSUES! It was like the stock units as far as reliability and starting, idling, etc. Just the higher rev. limit setting.

IF ANYTHING, I kinda want to back it down to #5 to see what happens, but since it acts so perfectly as is, I never remember to change it, until I'm at this keyboard.

Be REALISTIC about your performance upgrades, and IF you haven't gone inside the motor, try #6. (or 5).



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Just received a Procom in the mail.

I downloaded all the Maps, plugged the unit in to my lap top and viewed them all.

There are two Graphs being used.
One is RPM & Timing,the other is TPS and Timing.

I downloaded Map #5 to the CDI.
Displaying both graphs(in the review mode)

Which graph is the CDI unit going to use?
RPM & Timing? Or TPS & Timing?

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Quote:

Just received a Procom in the mail.

I downloaded all the Maps, plugged the unit in to my lap top and viewed them all.

There are two Graphs being used.
One is RPM & Timing,the other is TPS and Timing.

I downloaded Map #5 to the CDI.
Displaying both graphs(in the review mode)

Which graph is the CDI unit going to use?
RPM & Timing? Or TPS & Timing?





RPM and TPS

To clarify, if you plan on editing the maps, start with the timing vs rpm first and get it dialed in, then move to the timing vs tps. You can use any of the maps as a start point, I'm using something like the tps line from map 8 slightly tweaked and a custom rpm vs timing graph


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So, if you open the software and open(double click) say,,,, download #5.

The first screen i see is TPS & RPM(in blue), I see a graph.

I click on RPM & Timing(in red). I see another graph.

If I download(or Upload)to the CDI.

Which "graph" will the CDI use?

TPS or RPM?

Thanks

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it will automatically download both, since it uses both at the same time


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When does one overide the other?

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if you have your TPS disconnected it won't use that setting


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I put a pro com on my speedmaster this weekend. I am running the #10 tune. I am impressed so far. It really pepped up the top end.
did the ton quicker than I recall with the stock CDI.


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My stock and ProCom CDI, misadventures.

I’ve owned two of our Colonial Cruisers. A 2003 America, purchased new and a 2004 Speedy purchased in 2010.
In the summer of 2011 while on a journey to and from the west coast with some friends, EnglishYank, Chy and Moe the cdi on my 03 laid down in the heat of a Amarillo, TX truck stop, the bike had no fire from either cylinder. Chy with clear and calm head quickly diagnosed the problem in about two minutes. What now, 2500 miles from home on a Sunday if I recall. No problem say’s Chy I have a spare CDI in my tool bag, say what, yep I brought an extra one just in case. Well I'll be darned, talk about being prepared. I guess that made up for the spare coil I loaned him. So we made the swap and are back on the road in no time putting Amarillo and the west in our rear views. The unit got me home with no more issues.

Back home I ordered a ProCom from our good friend Eddy. Installed the booger on the 03 and could never dial it in correctly. The 03 just would not accept the ProCom. Assuming it was faulty I returned it for a replacement, in the mean time I robbed the stock unit of the 04 Speedy. Plug her in the 03 and boom, life is good, she’s happy, I’m happy. When the replacement Procom came in the speedy was still undressed so I just installed the new unit on the Speedmaster, after a few days I settled on setting 7 and the bike ran great other than a longer than normal warm up which apparently seems normal with the Procom.

Over the next couple of years the Speedmaster ran great but I started having little nagging issues with the 03 America running the Speedy stock CDI. Idling issues, harder to start, lots of popping. I’m rejetting, cleaning carbs, checking vacuum leaks, charging issues you name it. The bike has 62000 on her clock so I begin to assume she is getting tired of my ass riding her everywhere. Then it happened the CDI went belly up, the one from the 04 Speedmaster. 2002/2003/2004 where not good years for the stock cdi units.
With a bit of hesitation I ordered a ProCom from Eddy for the 03 America. Knowing her reaction from 2011 I was ready for fight but by god she would just have to accept an aftermarket unit or find herself sitting in the corner with the spider webs.
I checked the settings on the unit for the America and set it on recommended #4, pull out the choke ( Yes I know it’s not a choke), hit the button, vroom, fires right up. Sweet, button her back up and away we go, very cold natured and had to leave her choked for about 3 miles or more but she ran great and pulled strong in all gears. After a few trial and errors we’ve settled on the #6 setting, runs great, still takes a bit longer that I like to warm up but much improved over the other settings.

I’ve found over the last few weeks is I’ve gone back to the normal settings on Idle speed, pilot jets, etc. no more popping on decal just the slight gurgle we enjoy. Starts right up and runs better and stronger than it has in years.
Basically in my observation I’ve found the stock unit CDI's slowly weaken over a period of time ever so slightly it’s not really noticeable causing other issues until they crap out.

Additionally there has been lots of conversation as to why the units fail, other than not being a quality part I think ( as many have suggested) it is simply heat related and not an issue of getting wet. It’s just a bad location that could be easily corrected in production with a different wiring harness.
I’ve ended up with three of the stock units and decided to cut into one of them to see what ticks. I took my dremel tool to one of the units and what I found is the black outside is a plastic cover that is completely sealed. After spending a lot of time cutting into the unit to find another completely sealed box inside which looks to be a pored formed unit made of what looks to be a bakelite material. You old heads will recognize bakelite from radios back in the day.
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Thanks for shedding light, and offering your take on the CDI failure issue. I ride an '03 with around 60,000 miles using the original CDI... however, I do have a Procomm sitting in reserve just in case. It seems to be a bit hit and miss with these bloody units. A couple of years back I was riding in the rain when my bike began to sputter and cough. Later on I hit ALL connections with dielectric grease and haven't had a problem since but can't say it was the CDI getting wet causing the issue. I did notice hairline cracks in the 'bakelite' resin on the CDI but based on the autopsy your performed, that may not have contributed to any problems.


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Well guys I'm moving over here to update you on my Procom experience thus far. I now have ridden over 300 miles since I put it on last Thursday. I am happy to say that the old chap is running great! I have not had my left cylander cut out like it was before. The first time I had a cylander cut out was at the end of August. It would cut out and usually kick back in within a few miles. I would be out riding for a bit then just like that I would lose the left cylander. It would happen pretty much daily. I did all the checks and from lurking on here for as long as I have I was certain it was the CDI. Well like I said, over 300 miles and no problems. I set my Procom on setting 7 which matched my unit number,1292060. It runs much better and I don't seem to have issues at idle or with it taking any longer to warm up than it did before. So far my experience has been positve. I am looking forward to downloading some of the maps after I do some mods this winter.


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Hey all,
Wanted to relay my apparent CDI issue and see if there is any more consensus or advice / solutions to the cold start issue that seems to happen with the procom unit.
It appears that my stock CDI is toast, but I haven't been 100% sure of that (or that it is the only issue) because I tried a procom unit and it has the startup issues. Basicaly, it won't start with choke on, it will with choke off, but won't take throttle for a few minutes until warmed up. To me, this is not an acceptable fix. Like others, before I started having issues, my bike would start with full choke and I could ride away on choke until warmed up. I read all the way through this thread (and other threads) and it seems that some others have the same problem with the procom but what I can't tell is if trying the various downloadable maps has fixed the cold-start issue??

I'm really frustrated with this because both my stock CDI and the procom have the same start up problem - they won't take the choke and I have to wait MUCH longer to ride away than before. The difference is, the bike seems to be warming up and responding better with the procom. If one of the downloadable maps takes care of the start problem I will be happy. Any thoughts??

A few notes: I have an '05 TBA AI removed, stock Airbox and filter, 122.5 mains, 42 pilots, stock exhaust. Bike has the CA vapor canister. I disconnected that and plugged all vacuum ports to see if it matters; didn't seem to. Procom setting is supposed to be 4, but I talked to Procom and my model year could be setting 4, 5, or 6. 6 seems to run the best so far.

Thanks!

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I am curious about the fact that both units act the same on start up, how does the bike run when it is warmed up? Starts easy? these are cold blooded bikes. I never run my bike with the choke on. First run of the day i know it will take a good 5 minutes to warm up enough to run without the choke. Have you messed with the air/fuel ratio at all?


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Thanks for the reply. Don't have much experience with the procom unit at this point. It was a test at the shop. With my stock CDI in, the bike used to always start with choke (enricher) on and idle at 2K - would take throttle - I could ride pretty quickly even at 40 deg F ambient. Then one day, literally overnight, it would not take the choke, but with moderate ambient temps (50+) she would start w/o choke, would not take throttle well, but I could let it idle for 5 mins or more, then ride off. Mostly would ride well except it would cut out at lower RPM sometimes cruising along. Then starting became a chore and 1 cyl would not fire. Took it to shop. Shop determined it was CDI, tried the procom. It would not start with choke, but would w/o choke, does not take throttle for a few minutes, then seems fine. Trying to fix cold start, the shop also upjetted, cleaned some carbon out of one carb (presumably from the poor starting/ running) and re-set the idle mixture.
I was worried that CDI may not be bad after all, so I tried swapping units back and forth. One telling difference; holding RPM at 3K (not riding), the bike would hold steady with the procom, but would rise to 3500 -4K and then drop and repeat with my stock CDI. Also - with both units during that test, for some reason it just backfired and died. Maybe that was due to fouling when it was running crappy on the stock CDI?

So, I'm pretty sure the CDI is bad but I would have thought the Procom would fix it 100%. Normally, I'd be assuming that the CDI is not the whole problem, but I've read here that others have had cold start issues with the procom.

Maybe I was just really lucky that I never had to wait very long to ride off (with choke on. The bikes do run lean from the factory, and prior to this I had stock jets, so maybe the choke fattened things up to a better mixture whereas now it's fat with the new jets? I just think it's wierd that the bike now STILL won't start with the choke on. Before this problem arose, I would literally have to use the choke EVERY TIME if the bike was shut off for even a few minutes. Maybe she was just very lean before??

Thanks for listening!

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My theory is that low voltage causes the start up problems for both the stock CDI and the Procom.
So far the rectifier mod (found elsewhere on this forum) seems to be the best fix.


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Thought I'd post an update. mag10 thanks for your thoughts on the r/r. I will do the mod soon and see what happens.

After checking for spark with both CDI's, I was getting no spark on one cyl with old CDI and spark on both with procom, so I bought the procom at the Dealership where I had taken it to be fixed. She starts w/o choke and will run now when I try pulling the choke out, but not smooth. She idles much better with no choke, but will not take throttle unless she warms up a bit. Once warmed up she ran quite well going home from the dealership. I rode to work this AM and she ran worse than before I took to the shop! A lot of misfires and hesitation on steady (especially low) RPM. Twist the throttle and she hesitates at first, then responds well. Seems like a lean mixture issue in the pilot circuit, but I'm wondering if the r/r is in fact the issue??

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Mike(FLYFISH) since the issue with your bike not wanting to start with the the choke out is present with both cdis I suspect that the cdi is not the problem. You should check to make sure that your gas tank vent tube is not pinched, make sure that your petcock is not gummed up with junk, and check the hidden fuel filter in the T fitting between the carbs. The "chokes" on our bikes are not actually chokes but fuel enrichers. When you pull it out it pulls more fuel into the carb, if you have a clog or obstruction pulling the "choke" or enricher out may be creating a vaccum effect and actually cutting fuel off to the carb instead of pulling more into it.


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Also make sure that the hose that fits onto the t fitting between the carbs is not pinched, that will cause problems with the choke as well.


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Also make sure that the hose that fits onto the t fitting between the carbs is not pinched, that will cause problems with the choke as well.




Thanks for the tips. Fuel delivery itself is adequate (so filters probably ok). I have suspected a fault in the choke mechanism and will be examining that next. I spoke with a tech at Procom who confirmed that the units are voltage sensitive and around 12.5 and below they can act up. So I think that is part of my bike's cold-bloodedness but it did that before I put the procom in. What really bugs me is not being able to ride off until it warms up a bit. Never used to be that way and none of my previous bikes were that way either. It just will not tolerate throttle until after idling a bit.

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There are two T fittings on our carbs. The second,lower one is a vent. If the vent hose is pinched or obstructed it can cause the carb to flood, especially if the choke is out. I accidently pinched that hose on mine when I removed the airbox and my bike would not run with the choke out but would with it in. When I went over my work I noticed the pinched hose and rerouted it so that it was not pinched and my bike ran fine. It sounded a lot like the symptoms that you describe. Some have even removed the hose all together and allow the carb to vent at the "T" fitting. What you describe sounds like the carb is flooding when the choke is pulled out. As your issue was present with both CDIs the problem is almost certainly with the carb.


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Just got my cdi how do I know what map is on it and what the rev limiter is set at?


I have a 865 with TBS needles, k&n pods, and a pretty open pipe. So I'm thinking the #6 map will be best. Does that sound right.


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yours has a custom map and the limit is set at 9500 I think. maybe 9000
I can email you a few more custom maps or you can use the ones on the disk


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I couldn't get the CD to work but I got the program and driver to download. I also download map 6. I Think I ended up putting map 6 on it. I don't really have that much done to the bike for a custom map yet.


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There are two T fittings on our carbs. The second,lower one is a vent. If the vent hose is pinched or obstructed it can cause the carb to flood, especially if the choke is out. I accidently pinched that hose on mine when I removed the airbox and my bike would not run with the choke out but would with it in. When I went over my work I noticed the pinched hose and rerouted it so that it was not pinched and my bike ran fine. It sounded a lot like the symptoms that you describe. Some have even removed the hose all together and allow the carb to vent at the "T" fitting. What you describe sounds like the carb is flooding when the choke is pulled out. As your issue was present with both CDIs the problem is almost certainly with the carb.




If the vent is blocked just the opposite would happen. Air could not escape the bowl preventing fuel from entering so the engine would starve for fuel.


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Ok quick question My battery never last through the first start of the year. I have used a jumper pack on the bike before should I be concerned using one with the procom?


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should be fine


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Thanks I might go try it tomorrow it was inup to 45° today. It will be so nice to hear it run on 2 cylinders again.


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Thanks I might go try it tomorrow it was inup to 45° today. It will be so nice to hear it run on 2 cylinders again.




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There are two T fittings on our carbs. The second,lower one is a vent. If the vent hose is pinched or obstructed it can cause the carb to flood, especially if the choke is out. I accidently pinched that hose on mine when I removed the airbox and my bike would not run with the choke out but would with it in. When I went over my work I noticed the pinched hose and rerouted it so that it was not pinched and my bike ran fine. It sounded a lot like the symptoms that you describe. Some have even removed the hose all together and allow the carb to vent at the "T" fitting. What you describe sounds like the carb is flooding when the choke is pulled out. As your issue was present with both CDIs the problem is almost certainly with the carb.




If the vent is blocked just the opposite would happen. Air could not escape the bowl preventing fuel from entering so the engine would starve for fuel.



You are probably right, Ian. Either way I know first hand that a pinched vent tube is no bueno and produces the symtpoms that he described.


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Well I put Map 6 on and when out and tried it to day. No spark put the old CDI back on and I have spark. SO I went in and put the default map on the Procom and it fired and ran. I am thinking it was to much for it so I will try something a little more mild when it gets a warmer that way its not fighting to start in 40 degree temps


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Had a idle issue and dying when stopped. Idle was set at 1200.
Replaced a Procom I've been running four years with an OEM unit. Solved the problem


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2005 America operated @3500 ft above the coast. AI and snorkel removed, a few holes drilled into the last two baffles of the stock slash-cut pipes, 125 Mains, NBZT (Thruxton ?) needles, 1-1/2 turns out, idle @950rpm, ProCom set on #5. No complaints. A/F @ 13/1 - 13.5/1 cruising up to 3500rpm, WOT@7000rpm: A/F 11/1. I have not experimented at other ProCom settings, however the bike was on #4 before I tuned the jetting w/wideband O2 sensor installed. Could not tell any difference w/seat of the pants dyno.

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