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Good for them! Its primary school! You don't kill their lamb. But your point was really that mean and stupid folks are on the net. So? Mean and stupid folks walk among you. There is no law that requires people to join Lookatmeimgreat book or myfabulouslife place. They don't need forums and they don't need blogs under any circumstance. They chose to go there. Oh well, too bad. You have no right not to have your feelings hurt. Especially if you are wrong. On another note, if you don't want your mom to see you naked then don't undress in public. It will be on youtube in about 12 seconds. So I guess I am saying, I really don't care that she quit. She is a stupid woman to do that to little kids and should not be working. The internet worked! If she was right the internet (people) would have supported her in-mass and all would be well. She would be elevated to rock star status. It works both ways. Kinda like life. 
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Ron, you don't get it and I don't think you ever will. And I don't feel like trying to explain it to a brick wall.
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Ron, you don't get it
You mean the part how death threats and threats to burn the school down are a little more than "get your feelings hurt" ?
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Something like that. And how such sentiments occasionally make their way into the real world, aka, "meatspace."
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I didn't see those threats, I just read they happened. There is no anonymous posting anymore. Investigations are cleared all the time backtracking servers and IPs. John, of all people those servers and IPs can be investigated. There are laws against that already.
The net does not need to be reeled in. What country should reign it in? Its global. Lets have China do it, no maybe we will have Mexico do it.
I guess I can't explain that to you.
Somehow you don't think the schools would not get prank or real phone calls as would people before the internet? Bomb threats were a daily happening all over before the internet. Lets reign in those phones!
A whole lot of really terrible stuff happened before Al Gore invented the internet. There are mouthy people hiding behind a keyboard and there are very dangerous people. Its the sorting them out that is tough to do.
Governmental control of the internet is not my choice to fix that stuff.
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She was the well-respected head teacher in Romney Marsh, Kent who became subject to a hate campaign.
How could anyone hate a head teacher?
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There is a very simple fix to this. No anonymous posts. If everyone had to put their real name and hometown on everything they posted this would come to an end. It could be done by moderators or services, no government required. I’ve always been amazed at the viciousness of some on the internet. As the photo/poster illustrates, it’s easy to be an a$$hole when no one knows who you are.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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The Golden Rule rules...we'll always have divergent viewpoints, but we can be civilized, perhaps even kind, to each other. I yield the floor to the next speaker 
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The Golden Rule rules...we'll always have divergent viewpoints, but we can be civilized, perhaps even kind, to each other.
I yield the floor to the next speaker
And that next speaker would be ME!Howyadoin John 
Yup the forums can get real ridiculous and that picture with the wannabes says it all dont it?Its real easy to get nasty online cause the flame dont hurt but a fist does.I like the civility here as well as the clean language and lack of vulgar posts.Good job to the mods.
PS,spring times comin John 
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Larry I agree with you about responsibility. I know, face to face a lot of folks from here and am still a situational a$$hole in person. Which means, in any given situation I have a tendency to become one.
Luckily, most who are too cowardly to do something face to face are also those who become real big strong folks behind a keyboard.
What happens when a website decides not to moderate. Or the moderators suck and don't do their job. What then? Who would make them moderate?
Pay phones were taken out of nearly everyplace because they don't get used and cost too much to maintain with the advent of cell. Before that, drop money in the machine, dial a number, say something horrible, hang up and walk away. 65 years of pay phones on every corner, available to every crackpot and pervert who had a dime.
1977 or 78 I think in the NE. We had to forced bus the kids. Bomb threats and death treats every day, sometimes every hour via phone in that time of unrest.
Isn't that just as scary? Isn't that person just as twisted? I don't think we should blame phones then anymore than the internet now. And we should not give up our rights to privacy under any circumstances.
No the internet should not be reigned in, criminals should be arrested when possible.
We just had a case here in San Antonio. A 15 year old on his x-box talked about shooting up a school. A guy from Canada called it in. The IP was traced, it was investigated and he is arrested. Done deal. Must be magic that we can clear this kind of stuff when the law enforcement agencies have the will to do it.
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I always ask "What are you going to do? Type me to death?" Usually, that shuts 'em up. 
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Here in Massachusetts we've had two teen suicides recently as a result of Cyber bullying. Along with the wonders of technology come the unintended consequences which we all have to live with.
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I belong to three other forums a dodge cummins forums, a chevy c1500 forum and a jeep forum. This forum and the dodge forum is the best the chevy forum is a bunch of dumba$$ prickish rich folk and the jeep forum is a bunch of 16 17 & 18 year olds kids driving the jeep there daddy bought for them (but is a FEW good guys on it) and they think they know it ALL and in the most common event u prove them wrong they just get pissy and type mean names at u and talk $hit and about how crappy ur stuff is
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I always ask "What are you going to do? Type me to death?"
I like that.
I don't generally have a problem dealing with people online, but I do find the lack of accountability annoying at times. Government control is out of the question in my mind (and likely not even possible), so I don't know what the solution is. Probably something like Facebook. At best there will always be two intarwebs. The privately owned online services like Facebook where people are more or less accountable and there is recourse for threatening/hate speech, and the public wilds of the free unregulated internet, like the wild wild west that is Usenet. Like Ron said you can still track idiots down with IP addresses, but that won't always happen.
Saying "just ignore it" or "get over it" or "grow a thicker skin" is not the right answer. The internet will only become more integrated into our lives to a point where (perhaps not this generation or even the next) we won't be able to simply ignore it.
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Paul the suicides are terrible. I am afraid they would have happened anyhow but we have no way of knowing. When your cyberlife becomes as important as your real life, things have really gone off the rails.
Its sad for those who lost track of real life vs. the computer monitor.
I have a brilliant friend that used to network for me. He lost his job, his wife, and his home, playing a game called Everquest.
All I could do was shake my head in disbelief. I don't understand how reality can be so bad, you have become a cyber person.
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Heh heh... you've never been a nerd...
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I love this site Its better than reality 
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When your cyberlife becomes as important as your real life, things have really gone off the rails.
Now THAT I can agree with. I check this site every day, and enjoy the banter, friendship, occasional malicious comments and straitforward technical information. But, if the internet died tommorrow, I'd go, "Oh crud, that stinks", grouse a bit to my friends, and then go on about my life, the same one I had before I had the net. And that goes for all the other electronic marvels that our culture feels is life or death devices, like cell phones and t.v.
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I read the link FJ provided, and my first (literal) thought, was that is due in part to the fact that while we all like to eat food on a daily basis, less than 1% of our (U.S.) population is involved in production agriculture. Or in other words the "disconnect of demographics". But then it occurred to me that wasn't the (literal) point of the post. Then I thought of the virtual internet vs so-called real world, keyboard vs face-to-face existance, people who prefer crunchy over creamy peanut butter & should toilet paper come off the top or bottom of the roll? Which was maybe closer to the original intent and found myself nearing an epiphany, involving the flame thrower icon. But epiphanies are fleeting thoughts at best. At least that's been my experience  Then I got to wondering how much longer B.B. King will remain on tour and the beauty of an air-cooled parallel twin motorcyle engine  jh
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Those "cyper bullies" in MA, were the at lest, one of the teens real life classmates. Just like Chinese water torture , you might say it's only a drop of water.
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Good for them! Its primary school! You don't kill their lamb.
I guess you didn't really read the article, because the students voted to have the animal taken to slaughter, which was the purpose of the class project:
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whatever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never harm me" ????
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I read the link FJ provided, and my first (literal) thought, was that is due in part to the fact that while we all like to eat food on a daily basis, less than 1% of our (U.S.) population is involved in production agriculture. Or in other words the "disconnect of demographics".
But then it occurred to me that wasn't the (literal) point of the post. Then I thought of the virtual internet vs so-called real world, keyboard vs face-to-face existance, people who prefer crunchy over creamy peanut butter & should toilet paper come off the top or bottom of the roll? Which was maybe closer to the original intent and found myself nearing an epiphany, involving the flame thrower icon. But epiphanies are fleeting thoughts at best. At least that's been my experience
Then I got to wondering how much longer B.B. King will remain on tour and the beauty of an air-cooled parallel twin motorcyle engine
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That's one of his free association, stream-of-consciousness posts... also known as, "Just how hard DID he hit his head last July?" 
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whatever happened to "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never harm me" ????
That has never been true for the vast majority of people. Some are so sensitive they'd rather take a beating than criticism. That's why there is a term called "Verbal Abuse." Almost all of us are vulnerable to negative speech, at least from certain people.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Harsh lesson having kids aged 6-11 years voting on killing something. I wasn't aware that a 7 year old child had so much wisdom and understanding of what was about to really happen.
I am sure it taught the kids that voted no that even life itself is a matter of majority rule.
I prefer to teach life lessons like that at home. I guess some prefer to send the kids to school to be raised.
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Hey ya Ron... back in the day (and this would be late 50s early 60s) I lived in farm country. We kids were encouraged to join 4H and by way of that club, we raised our own calves which in the end wound up at the slaughter house. All along we pampered those animals just like any kid naturally would. On achievement day (I think that's what they called it) we'd parade our prized animals in front of judges to win ribbons and such in categories such as;
- best groomed
- best behaved ('cause we were parading), and among other things...
- best assessed value ($/lb)
Then we'd auction them off one by one, take the money and do it all over again next year. So we kids were part of the loop (of the food chain) from around the age of 4 on up. It was normal. Of course I never wanted to eat my own calf... but there were plenty of others to eat, so no probs.
Now maybe I was traumatized at a young age by all of this which could help explain why I've never been a status quo kinda guy, or why I choose vegetarianism at a relatively young age, but I don't think so. I think raising them animals for market made me appreciate more than the average joe, what it's all about to eat. So as far as those kids involved in the story that started this thread... they're just fine. And the teacher is excelling at her job, which is to teach.
Where was I going with all of this? Nowhere really... not trying to make a point or force an opinion. Just relating a story of my own life as a child, doing something similar to what these kids were doing... raising an animal for human consumption. Now those kids know meat doesn't really come from a nice and pretty cellophane wrapped Styrofoam tray. It comes from something with a face!!
And in keeping with the gist of this thread... that teacher was victimized, end of story. Might as well have burned her at the stake!!
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Harsh lesson having kids aged 6-11 years voting on killing something. I wasn't aware that a 7 year old child had so much wisdom and understanding of what was about to really happen.
I am sure it taught the kids that voted no that even life itself is a matter of majority rule.
I prefer to teach life lessons like that at home. I guess some prefer to send the kids to school to be raised.
I guess growing up in farm country gives me a somewhat different perspective than those who did not. Goats, sheep, hogs, cattle, etc. are there to be used for economic benefit. Outside of that role they are not very useful unless you make pets of them, in which case a whole different dynamic occurs.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Larry and Keith articulated what I was thinking when I said sometimes a goat is just a goat. I was raised in suburbia but I've lived in Montana long enough to get it.
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I know all those things guys.
Who taught this to the kids years ago who work and live in farm country? They grew up with it and the life lessons came from the family. I don't disagree with the food chain.
I disagree that kids that little, many of which obviously were not farm kids were put in the position of voting on it and being helpless to stop something they did not understand. In a diverse group of little children it can be traumatic and apparently was not considered.
I don't believe it is the schools place as nowhere can I read that the school advised all the parents 6 months prior about what they were doing and who was voting and how it would end. I could be mistaken.
Everything I read does not involve the parents until the lamb was about to get the axe, or knife, or bolt or whatever.
My son was 10 when we were first hunting, 12 when he owned his first gun. But when he was 7 if the teacher took the class to the pound to watch the dogs being killed I would be P`&&id beyond belief.
The teacher could say its to teach the kids about the social issues with poor stray animals.
Not the schools job IMHO>
Then again I am commenting on something they did in England with kids not my own. If the schools there are allowed to do anything they want without the parents involvement that is their right. Its their school system.
I only posted my last post on this because it was mentioned that these kids voted on it, as if a tiny little kid can vote on something like that and fully understand it. Especially if he or she is in the minority, left helpless to stop it.
A pretty cruel lesson to be learned in school.
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I disagree that kids that little..
How little ? I searched, and could not find an answer to that question One of your earlier posts sid 6-11, but that seems to be assuming a education organization similar to what we use here in the states - is that a valid assumption ? Not to mention there is a large difference between 6 and 11.
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, many of which obviously were not farm kids...
Again, you seem to have a magical crystal ball, because that also definitely did not show up when I searched for more information on the story.
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...it can be traumatic and apparently was not considered...
Just a wee bit melodramic don't you think ? Children are pretty resilient, particularly about somethin as indirect as a vote. Having them watch the butchering - yeah, that would be tramatic. Voting - most won't even think about it by the next day.
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...nowhere can I read that the school advised all the parents 6 months prior about what they were doing and who was voting and how it would end. I could be mistaken.
Again, seemingly a fairly large assumption. Anything magical about six months ? If she had only given the parents 3 months warning would she still deserved to lose her job ? The truth is we don't know - the school could have had their entire, detailed syllabus hand-delivered and read to each parent or guardian prior to commencement of the school year for all we know. I'd rather doubt it, but...
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Everything I read does not involve the parents until the lamb was about to get the axe, or knife, or bolt or whatever.
Another way to read that was that the objecting parents did not bother the say a word the end.
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But when he was 7 if the teacher took the class to the pound to watch the dogs being killed I would be P`&&id beyond belief.
But that's not what happened here, is it ? A more apt analogy would be "if the teacher told him that stray dogs were put down..." (not exact, no involvement in the process, but there wasn't in your analogy either).
I will admit that, if given its in a farm community where the children are familiar with what happens to farm animals, I am not sure what the point of the lesson was. I also don't understand the point of the vote, though I think you are seriously overstating its "tramatic" effect. But in both cases I'll not denounce anyone based on an incomplete understanding of the lesson plan.
I will not denounce anyone for a lack of communication with the parents when I don't know what communication did or did not happen.
Which brings us back to early arguments that “before the internet...†The difference is that in the age of the internet a few irritated parents can scream out their side of the story and people around the world jump on it, in the most cases not bothering to find out the whole story, putting their own spin on it to advance their own agendas. The beauty of the internet is that much, much more information is available to a lot more people, a lot quicker than ever before. The flaw is that a lot of it is pure garbage. The tragedy is the number of people that cannot tell the difference, and for the most part do not seem to care.
No, the fact that any support she might have received was drowned out by those calling for her head does not mean she was in the wrong – it means that mob rule won. Not the same thing, and a sad day for civilized society.
I was interested on how the good Friar’s original post was interpreted as a call for government control. Personally I took it as a gentle reminder of the one of the reasons for a moderated forum, restraining the worst of the vitriol so that debate may occur. The moderators here are fairly lenient, and as is typical, members – basically the scenario is a veneer of formality to self-policing.
Yes, the internet is a lot less anonymous than a lot of people think - but tracing it back [italics]can[/italics] take a level of official-dom not available to most people in most situations – or at least not in time to make a difference. Kind of like how cops can deter and investigate crimes, but they can’t stop all of it and knowing your murderer will likely be caught and punished doesn’t mean a lot to the person killed.
But that same sense of anonymity allows for the denouncement of despots, whistle-blowing, and other positive benefits to society. The answer ? Each must question everything, discourage rashness and oppose injustice. Nobody ever said freedom was without cost.
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Wow. Got dizzy up there on that soapbox!
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Re: And you wonder why we try and reign things in
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Monkey Butt
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They were primary school children,its in the article. There is no assumption other than you have not looked beyond one article before typing. (Lydd Primary School) I looked it up, read the petition, read the comments, read the bio and online resume of the teacher. I then typed my opinion on it. I will change for the pound example to lets raise a puppy then euthanize it as an example if that helps. I agree with you that if they are all farm kids the project is just silly. Clearly they were not. Sorry you get dizzy easily. Again, I am only still in this thread because I disagree with a little kid voting on killing something. It was asserted that somehow the vote made it ok. I will not change that opinion ever. I am sorry you disagree. My children are grown so you will luckily never teach a child of mine. People don't always agree, that is life. But our kids are always our kids. I am not angry in the least. The damage is far greater when parents stop questioning what is being put in their kids heads. But none of this has anything to do with the internet and John's initial assertions.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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Re: And you wonder why we try and reign things in
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John was right - you'll never get it. You obviously did not even read my post, because I mentioned searches I did several times. I did not search for how they were organized, and doubt seriously you did either before today. I searched for the age of the class and was unable to find an answer for that. I did find a lot of articles from different places, publications, etc., and a few places spewing hatred and stupidity on the subject.
If it were your kids you would have the facts of the situation. You don't. I don't. That was my point. thought I had made that obvious. I am sorry I do not have a bigger hammer to pound my point home.
Go ahead, cast your stone in ignorance of your target.
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Re: And you wonder why we try and reign things in
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Monkey Butt
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How little ? I searched, and could not find an answer to that question One of your earlier posts sid 6-11, but that seems to be assuming a education organization similar to what we use here in the states - is that a valid assumption ? Not to mention there is a large difference between 6 and 11.
Try in google "England Primary School" click the first link.
That is how I magically knew their ages. I don't have time to teach you how to use the internet. The search is, as you see, not very extensive to find the information.
So, thank you, for your permission for me to denounce little kids being taught how things die by strangers. Yep, I threw that stone.
John means to me in his post that I don't get the vicious internet gang mentality that can run a local issue into something very ugly. He is not arguing the incident at all. His argument is much more broad and intellectual.
I could be wrong. I think you also misread that. Only John knows for sure.
You broke down my post supporting or not supporting what I read or if I know how to read. Your post, to me, had not one thing to do with John's original post. None of the last post do.
Maybe I misread the whole thread, 15/50 Mobile 1 is pretty good I think.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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