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Well here's the dyno table of all the results I can find. If there are any other dynos that members want put into the table, just pm or email Richard (foglefar) at foglefar@tpg.com.au your dyno printout (for verification) and all the details that need to go into the table. If all the gap info in the table could be sent to Richard also, that would be great.  BTW, dynos are primarily a tool which allow the bike's owner to adjust his or her tuning setup to achieve optimum performance. Whilst it is interesting to compare this bike to that, there are way too many variables to assume one bike is sooo much more powerful than another. Of course, if there are large gaps, well that's another story.  Here are the dyno printouts: Dinqua  Robba05 Martin  LzrdKing61 Frank Unclecharlie Bigpoppy  ArsnlTim Greentp99 Roadworthy Trboam Staffo 
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That's good work John. I wonder if your participants might include their operating range altitude to correlate the jetting for like minded tuners?
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Nice job Staffo. I have several other dynos that I will find the pix of with varying stages of build if you would like. Also, on this current one I have the MegaCycle medium street grind cams as well. I had a better dyno previously too that I will send to ya if you want it.
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thanks for your Comments, Dave, Ed and Pat. Regarding putting info in. I will try and put any info in that I can which will help others. This includes altitude where people operate or any other pertinent info. The table is just a work in progress which I can change and improve as we see fit. So I'll just stay on it and if I get more good info, I'll put it in. That includes any or all your dyno's Pat which I would love to put into the table. This thing is all about analysis for us to look at and then to determine what we can do to improve our own bikes. So any info that will do that should be part of this I reckon. Of coarse, I'm open to any suggestions to make this work better for us and importantly, our newbies.  I've also now got info from Hans, Trey and Bob to put in later but as I'm busy today, probably later tmw.
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Well, put in the notes that mine was lean throughout the rpm range, jets were too small Thanks, Dave
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good job staffo, my home elev. is 4700' for those who want to know.also used 18 tooth tranny sprocket
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Although making good HP I was Pi$$in fuel out the exhaust...I have since dropped to 130 mains and 1 shim...still pulls hard and don't think I lost any HP but I have not re-dynoed...yet
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just another reason why this is the best website on the www!!
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I think this thread should be stickied! And the charts archived.
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Fyi, here's the latest Dyno Table with bjhube's dyno run.  BTW, if anyone else wants their run posted up here, just pm or email me with a pic of your dyno printout and info of your bike's settings  DynoTableImage.jpg  bjube's dyno run 18bjhube.jpg 
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Hi all,
a little while ago I compiled this list of dyno runs just for interest, but mainly as a tool to help others select a base mark for jets and other settings they could use after changing pipes and air filters etc.
I also must take this opportunity to apologise to Jim (member name not known) who sent me his dyno result but unfortunately I received it as a spam email and when I closed his email it disappeared.
So if you are reading this Jim, can you please send me your dyno run again and I'll add it to our table.
Of course if anyone else wants to send me their dyno run printouts, I'll also be happy to add it to our "dyno table".
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Staffo, are the dyno results shown SAE corrected, uncorrected, or unknown?
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I think my dyno was the one that was picked up as spam. I sent them again and sent a pm. Let me know if you get them.
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Ken, do I look stupid? Actually, I've got no idea what you mean so maybe I've answered the question for myself  All I know about these dyno reports is that some are done on different machines by different operators. Some for instance are done on the latest "you beaut" wizz bang models by the bestest well trained operator known to man which hopefully will give an accurate report. Of course on the other hand a different dyno report may have been generated by a machine and operator with less than accurate results. So IMHO it's not about "who's got the bestest ****** bike this side of the black stump" but more about comparing what sized jets (amongst all the other mods)someone used for instance, and what readout they got because of it. Personally, one of the first things I'll look at is the air/fuel ratio because if it is shows a nice straight line, there's a good chance the bikes settings are up to scratch, and hopefully this will mean some nice numbers for the bike. So if I haven't answered your question, hopefully someone else will pipe up and clarify for you.
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I don't know much about dyno's; however, the place I took my bike here in Oklahoma City pretty much does V-twins. They charged $50 for a baseline dyno and said they couldn't do a dyno tune on it since they don't have experience with the parallel twins. They are a Big Dog dealer and also do a lot of Harley work. Our local Triumph dealer doesn't have a dyno. It looks like they stopped the run at 6K rpm showing 51.68 HP and 48.53 max torque. The tech said I was running a little rich and should probably go down one size in the main jet. I have not looked in the carbs; however, when the initial airbox removal, AI removal, pipe installation and re-jetting were done at the dealer, I was told they left the stock pilots and put in 160 mains. Hopefully the dyno results will get through to Staffo and can get posted. I would appreciate some input from you folks with more experience. The bike seems to run great and I get a good 45 to 50 mpg's. It doesnt pop on decel and starts like a champ. I only took it to the dyno to see if I could get a little more out of it. It does seem to lack response at about 50 mph when I go to wide open throttle. One funny thing about the dyno run was the response from the guys at the shop. Three of the techs who work on custom choppers, high dollar Harleys and $40,000 Big Dogs came over to talk to me about the bike. They said it was the smoothest running bike they had seen. They also said they didn't often see a bike that pulled that consistently through the run. If the charts get posted, you will see it was a straight pull.
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I thought we didn't like dynos here. 
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Who's "we". If you are being serious Jack, then just treat the info with contempt, or you could just ignore the thread With respect though, dyno's should be treated as just another form of info to throw into the mix For instance, I recently put on some staintune pipes and my "bum dyno", plugs and fuel economy are saying my next dyno numbers should look ok. So I guess if the dyno printout figures look like cr#p then put me in with the "we" crowd. 
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Hi all, here's the latest dyno table printout with Bill's numbers. Apologies for the poor quality but I am struggling to get all the details of the 19 different dynos into a format that every can see properly. If anyone has any suggestions, I will be more than happy to adopt them if they will work. When I have some spare time I might try something else to improve the quality. Dynotable31-12-08.jpg  BillsDyno19.jpg 
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I just had my bike on a dyno at a local shop (open house so free dyno runs for all). Of course the printer wasnt working and of course they cleard my graph before I could see it  I did come in at 54.7hp. Seems inline with other 865s with SS pipes, K&Ns and similar jetting. Ill have to go back one day and pay for a run so I can see the table and get more info for Staffo to add to this awesome thread. BTW...why isnt it a sticky yet?
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Hi all, I think I may have found a way to properly show the dyno table rather than using the prehistoric methods. Apologies to anyone who many have sent their dyno run to me and it isn't display but the original means was hopelessly slow and not that good anyway so hopefully this new method will be betterererere  So now I've found a good way to upload a table, if anyone else wants to send their dynos to me I will upload them to here for you. cheers Staffo The Latest Dyno Table - May 09 share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=08b4c9d8-5fc1-42b5-9a41-ade68acfcd14 Les' Dyno share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=1ed51743-6747-4d27-818a-87442a200bd7 
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I know very little about dynos, but why is Greentp99 numbers so much lower. Looks like a good set up to me-but shows 10-15 hp lower??? This is a cool idea for a thread-Ill add mine when I do it.
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I'll send you 3 dyno sheets in about a week or so to add to the charts.
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No probs Dave. Now we have a descent method of looking at them, this thread may now get a bit more use. There are some though that aren't big believers in dynos but the way I look at it is it's only info. I also reckon the dyno Table can show newbies what type of settings are standard to get some real gains out of their own bikes. No harm in that is there. Then of course we might even see some of the bigger numbers that come with the more serious mods some venture into which I find good value too.  Anyway, if anyone is interested in sending me the dyno printouts via jpeg, I'll upload but don't forget to advise me of what your settings are eg type of pipes, air filter changes, pilot and main jets etc etc so I can put them in the results Table. cheers staffo 
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Staffo, Id suggest splitting up the chart into sections like 790, 865, 904 and bigger. The data you have compiled in one palce was (as you mentioned) a reference for me so I knew what range I should be in when I finally got onto that dyno. If things go as panned Ill also be sending you stages of dyno runs. I can see Freds carbs in my future and Im really thinking of the TPUSA 865 cam/piston kit. Ohh...the bug...I have been bit. 
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Hi Zdenko. I wouldn't mind splitting the table up into categories like you suggest but there would also be a category where I didn't know what displacement some were cos there are some on the dyno table where a members CC's wasn't forthcoming. I guess what I'm saying is, if anyone who is on the Dyno table that hasn't given me their displacement yet (ie 790cc or 865cc etc), then can you let me know so I can put it into the table. If I can get more of these put in I'll then change the table Zdenko  .
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Hey John - anyone run an EFI on a dyno yet? I would be interested to see what real HP/Torque difference there is between the 3 available maps (stock, TOR & aftermarket pipes) and also freer flowing air.
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I have posted it somewhere. Efi with aftermarket exhaust, k & N pods, tuneboy programme Found it. 180 intakes
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Awesome - but the link doesn't go anywhere. (Edited: it does now!)
Tell me about the Tuneboy map. Where did you get it done? What exhaust do you have? Any issues fitting pods with the EFI?
I have Staintune pipes, K&N stock shape filter (a bit better flow than stock I believe) and Triumph's map for aftermarket pipes.
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i should finally have a good dyno of my bike in a week or so.
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Latest Dyno 2 share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=bad92031-cea1-4136-97a1-9c2f12697d7d  Pete's Printout share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=9f5a4c1f-a0d1-4f77-bd54-7addbc19da71
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New table with Goosmans numbersGooseman's Dyno PrintoutBtw, if there are any other dynos out there that I have mistakenly forgotten to put in the table due to problems with software etc, I apologise. If so, or if there are any other dynos out there that members want me to put in the table, you can send them either to my personal email address or by pm. One last thing, dyno info is a guide only and most who have been round for a while will agree there are many variables that can effect a dyno's printout numbers and, there are different types of dyno machines as well. Fyi, my main reason for creating the table was to show other members how some minor changes described in the table can increase the numbers quite dramatically. cheers staffo Edited: The links remain broken as no new files exist to update said links.
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Hey Staffo... Any dynos of EFI bikes?
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Actually, we just have got a efi dyno from Davo. I have pm'd him and asked for his details so I can put it on the table. 
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Apologies to Dave who I got his dyno printouts a bit mixed up. Here's his 4th dyno which also has his 2nd and 3rd dyno overlaid on it. AND Here's the updated Dyno table with Davo's numbers
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Here's Mountainman's dyno Latest Dyno Table with Mountainman's Numbers Only 3 more dynos before we get a total of 30 dynos on the table, so if anyone else wants to contibute just send me your printout. 
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Here's Gary's Original 2004 Dynos Gary's Dyno Table Numbers
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My question is, "At what elevations were each of these bikes tuned and dyno-ed?" 
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Why don't you find out, let me know and then I'll change the table??? Simple.  In all seriousness though, don't forget several covering notes have already been written stating the dyno table is purely a guide and not to be taken as gospel. I mean, even if we did have a altitude for each dyno, there are still numerous other factors that come into play which determine a dynos results of which altitude is just one of them.  In saying that, knowing each dynos altitude would help in putting together some more pieces of the puzzle so go for it I say  .
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Well, I already presented the question. Now it just takes all that are on your list to chime in with the average elevation in which their bikes were tuned for. Then you can add that information to your list making it a more helpful tuning guide for those looking for a good place to start. Have fun! 
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Why isn't this thread a sticky?
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took my 2006 TBA 790cc for a dyno today after fitting new raask drag pipes, no other mods. was told main jets were ok but it runs a bit lean so they recomend adjusting the needles, what do the experts think.this is the printout. (hope this works)
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New Dyno report!  Conclusion from the Dyno man was that this is very good curve. I could add a couple of HP by going slightly lean by moving down to 148 Main. By why? Play it on the safe side and be happy! Hasse
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Staffo asked me to take a picture of my latest dyno, so here goes: 1.75 turns on the screws. 
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Nice one Bengt, did you get an air/fuel ratio with your dyno? If so it'd be nice to see it too. Here's the updated Dyno Table with Piper's very impressive numbers Well done mate, looks like those smoothed out intakes provide a real edge. 
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Staffo asked for this also. Mods include long TORS, 140 mains stock pilots w/ 3 turns, airbox removal kit and A/I removal. As you can see, it ran a little lean. Now it has 150 mains and 42 pilots w/ 3 turns. 
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Nice one Bengt, did you get an air/fuel ratio with your dyno? If so it'd be nice to see it too.
No, it wouldn't. I was too lean at the top which is now corrected. Otherwise the curve was quite OK, though a little rich in the midrange like so many... I'd like to have another run after the mains change, but not before winter... 
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Hi all, Here's the updated Dyno Table with McSpeedie's Numbers.  Btw, unless I buy the updated version of the PDF freebie, I can only keep 5 pdf's in my account which means the oldest pdf with the dyno numbers will continually become deleted as I add a newie. No big deal cos the latest is the latest 
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Apologies for the delay Hans but better late than never hey? So here's the latest (again) dyno table with Hasse's 3rd Dyno Numbers  We're really getting some good numbers going these days. I don't know about others out there but I love the way my speedie goes now so I can only imagine how well some of our esteemed rider mates must feel with their get up and go machines. Well done guys and thanks for contributing your info, after all that's what this website's all about ie helping each other out 
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Hi again my esteemed SM/TBA colleagues, here is Foglefar's latest dyno printout and the a new Dyno Table with his numbers. The Latest Dyno Table (10/11/09) Btw, I've been asked by Foglefar to make a note in the table: Quote:
Because EFI bikes are going to appear here more and more, can I suggest that we list the Tune ID (if known). This is the equivalent of listing jets and needles. That way we can analyse and share customised tunes. For the record the known TBA/Speedy Tunes are Tune ID Description
20183: Stock with stock pipes (Triumph's base tune)
20184: Stock with aftermarket pipes (Triumph's TORs tune)
20184: TuneDyno Davo's tune - aftermarket pipe, O2 disabled, pod filters
20184: TuneMod2: Foglefar's tune - aftermarket pipe, O2 disabled, AI removed, K&N filter bellmouth
So I've put comments into the Table to reflect his suggestion given as mentioned EFI's are the only new models now available and hence we will be seeing more and more of them here as time fly's by.
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 I put the latest in twice so just deleted the 2nd one. ride safe guys 
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Hi all, it's been a while since any new dynos came in but the other day my Harley mate who I've known since I was 10 yrs old sends me an email about one of those dyno days. the first thing I think is, who is he and what training and experience has he had etc.
Anyway, it turns out it's my dyno bloke who's gone out on his own with his own workshop including a dyno booth. Well there will be a booth but this stuff takes time and money.
So I'd been wanting to get another dyno done since taking out the staintune restrictors and changing my settings and since I trust this blokes experience and it's on the same machine, for $30 I couldn't go wrong.
Anyway, when I get a moment I'll redo the table and photobucket the printouts but I'm pretty happy cos my numbers are good ie Torque = 53.95 ft-lbs & Pwr = 59.83 hp.
I'm happy but mainly cos all my setting changes are nearly right now. The air fuel seems to be a bit up and down though but that just gives me some more excuses to do some more tweaking.
Just one question cos I can't remember but with the air fuel ratio baseline ie 13, is below it rich or lean? From memory (what's left that is lol), below 13 is lean isn't it?
I'll put the printouts up here in the next couple of days plus the video for fun.
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Going up from the AF line would be leaning out. Below the line is running too rich. Mine was up initially at the start of the graph. After changing back to the 45 pilot, it went back down to the line. Mine still rises slowly from 5500 up, but changing that would mess up the range we worked so hard to get the best.
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Here's my dyno Printouts from yesterday.  Now before I ask a question or two, have a look at this video which might help explain a thing or two. web page My first curiosity is obvious and that's the air fuel ratio. As with my previous one's I've never been able to get a nice smooth line. One thing I noticed which I will quiz him about, is how can the dyno give an accurate air fuel ratio reading if you only poke the sensor up one pipe. I mean, I adjust my air fuel thumb screws individually and not the exact same amount of rotations for both. I see each carb as having slightly different variations and personally I can get better responses by adjusting them a bit this way or that until I get a the best instant response when blipping / opening the throttle. I have found whilst it takes a bit longer, I get better results this way but only having the sensor up one spout so to speak seems to me would not give a completely accurate readout. Please do tell if you disagree cos I'm all ears on this one. He did do the same btw for all the other bikes of which on last count was approx 40 or more for the day. He did have a good team together to get each bike on and off quickly but time was important and maybe if I was the full feeing customer as in the past, he may have had two sensors, I don't know. I'll find out. The other thing which is pretty obvious is that how the a/f ratio riched right out when he (the operator) opened the throttle fully and then you'll notice it actually went the other way and became slightly lean. Interesting. Anyway, overall I'm pretty happy with the results considering HP sounds good but torque's my main priority. So given I've got almost identical torque and more HP for that matter with the staintunes compared to the Specialty Spares Pipes, yet they aren't as loud, my decision to pay the extra bucks to swap over makes me feel good. Don't get me wrong, the SS pipes were blo#dy beauties but I'm getting a bit too long in the tooth to put up with the extra noise factor. Anyway, the only settings I have been unsure of is whether I should move up from 42 to 45 pilots. I just think the a/f figure should have been determined by having two sensors and not one. So any comments are welcome both good and bad, even if you don't know what you're talking about LOL. I don't, ha ha Btw, I'll post the amended Dyno Results Table tomorrow. ride safe brothers staffo
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I wonder about the value of comparing runs so far apart - there's significant temperature and humidity differences between runs. But regardless of the air conditions the biggest improvement has to be the torque curve - more grunt in the normal operating revs.  And you were quite lean in those revs previously.
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Your right Richard, I was running lean. In fact when I saw how whitish my plugs were and the considerable extra k's I was getting out of a tank, I new I had to change the jets up before the ride north. Then taking the restrictors out meant going up again. Yes, we can look at variations in pressure and what not but if we can't rely on the info from the latest model dyno you've used three times by the same operator who was trained in the U.S., then what other quantitative data can we use. No, it's not perfective but then what is. It is the closest techs have come up with though.
Of course there's was always my bum dyno to rely on too. To be honest when you have a dozen blokes all wearing ear plugs (no booth) watching on, I felt like I was representing not only my but Triumphs credibility.
Sounds silly I know but I've been amongst this phenomenum my whole working life ( Army and Fire Brigade) too many times now not to realise how blokes (mainly the youngsters but not always) change and get all competitive out there. I just put it into perspective by saying I was after info. No more, no less. Turns out my bike did me proud anyway but you may have noticed a slight tremble of my Iphone camera giving away some nervous symptoms. Lol Hey, there was more than one EFI bike blowin fuel enriched dark smoke amongst Various popping and farting.
So for a carby bike I was pretty happy, particularly as my team was from bikers from all parts of the globe from this place giving me help.
I guess I'm now feeling confdent I've reached a good spot for now knowing all I need to confirm is whether the 42 pilots are the reason for the little bit of popping on deceleration.
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>I have found whilst it takes a bit longer, I get better >results this way but only having the sensor up one spout >so to speak seems to me would not give a completely >accurate readout.
staffo - on these bikes there is a cross over pipe between the exhaust headers, the location of the (oxygen?) sensor in one pipe or the other probably doesn't matter much. the exhaust gas should be fairly homogenous. I suppose the most accurate way would be to have a port for a wide band O2 sensor welder onto each header. Probably not worthe the cost and effort unless you are racing.
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Thanks for that Micah. I really respect your opinion on this one. Helps me put into perspective where I'm at re my own tuning. While I'm at it, I've been meaning to ask if there was anyone's wanting to give me their opinion on the air fuel ratio. Whilst I'm pretty happy with my results overall, I'm not sure whether I should try the 45 pilots or not. At the moment there is a bit of popping on deceleration. Not over the top or anything silly but I've always been led to believe the popping comes from a slightly lean condition of the pilots. It also might explain the initial lean then rich state when the dyno operator yanked on the throttle when doing the run ie:  I dunno but besides the less than smooth a/f curve overall (ie, not nice and flat or on the magic 13 number) the up then down curve at the beginning of the dyno just looks a bit drastic for my liking  . Anyway, thanks again for your advice. I appreciate it. 
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I am not any sort of expert on this (and could be way off base) I couple of things come to mind looking at the A/F. the 45 pilots will bring up the bottom end but will richen across the board as well (they are always drinking). The rich/lean/rich blimp has got me thinking may be slide speed and or shimming is causing that. What is in there?
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Staffo, your richness is hurting you. If you're on 145's go down to 140's with your present setup or bin those rubbish K&N's and get some decent pods. I use 162 mains in my Bonnie with DNA pods and it runs at around 13:1. If you drop down to 140 mains that will lean up your mixture in a good percentage of the rev range and put you close to 12.9:1 - 13:1. Low revs is hard to judge, it depends on how you open the throttle on the dyno. A good dyno guy will open the throttle smoothly and not wack it open. 
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To me, you might need to turn your idle jets (thumb screws) out a little to richen the idle may be 1/8 - 1/4 turn and lose your thuxton needles.
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You guys are brilliant. You've come up with some food for thought and options to consider. Whilst I appreciate every one's thoughts here, one thing I hadn't heard was whether the K&N's were an issue or not. One thing I have to be honest with is this. The morning prior to my dyno, I cleaned the K&N's, dried and oiled them but I was running a bit out of time to get going. As such I wasn't able to let the filters sit for as long as I wanted and when I first started my bike, she spluttered and carried on until whatever had been drawn into the carbs dried out (or whatever). Then I had to get going and ride my bike to the shop etc, but she did ride well at that stage but perhaps there is an element of "staffo stuff up" as part of this mix. Applying the oil to the K&N's isn't quite an exact science either but I've never really had any probs with them. Anyway, Mike (Pieman) suggests I Quote:
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and get myself a pr of DNA pods. That's one avenue I never thought of that's for sure. When I get a chance Mike, I might pm or email you on that one and pick your brains. cheers
Anyway, I don't really want us to go onto a filter tangent here cos I know some have some strong opinions on them. I would like to even out that a/f ratio though.
So, I still feel like I've got myself into a respectable position albeit, do we ever get it exactly right anyway? Some do and I'm still enjoying the fun of it anyway.
I bet as soon as I'm satisfied, I'll then want to go the 904cc route. That'd be right wouldn't it 
Btw, all those Graemlins above reflect my multiple personalities 
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Hi all, It's been a while since our last Dyno was published but: Here's one from with Oldglimmers Numbers staffo
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Staffo, if this forum is still active, where should I send my dyno run to get it posted ?
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Pm sent Stan. For anyone else reading this, the answer is yes. Just send the printouts including HP, torque, air fuel ratio and the particulars of your bike (see table) to my home email address and I'll put your data in the table and show others your printouts.  Ps: I'm interested to see if those billett intakes have made a difference Stan 
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Hi all, I received an pm from Zdenko letting me know the link to the table wasn't working. So I'm reposting the link below for your viewing pleasure. Click Here For the Dyno Table Also, If by any chance in the deep dark past I've been sent some dyno results but due to unforeseen circumstances I didn't post them, (i.e. a while back where I had puter issues and it coincided with a crazy busy time), my sincere apologies. If this has occurred then which I'm hoping it hasn't, if you wouldn't mind re-sending the dyno printouts in jpeg format so I can put your results up, I'd appreciate it. Also a friendly reminder to anyone who wants their numbers put on here, just pm me and we'll go from there. cheers stacka
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Thanks for all your efforts and results with this.
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Thankyou my friend for your sentiments, it's only a small way I know of trying to repay everyone who has helped me in the past and and hopefully the future.
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WhAt's the email to send our stuff to? I just got mine done and posted 63.1 HP and 46.8 TQ.
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Yeah, send me an email and I'll put the details in. If you've got it, can you also send the air / fuel ratio cos that's an important component. Also, the point of the table is to help people with similar setups to have a half descent place to start. That's why we like to know what jets, needles, type of bike, type of air filter and pipes, all the stuff in the table. When I get yours, I've got another one to post as well, so I'll do both at the same time. Just visiting my son before he gets deployed to Afghanistan so it will take a week before I get back. 
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I've been redoing the jets as the bike was running very lean above 3K RPM. When I get them done, I'm getting it dyno'd again. After I get them both, I'll send you the results with all the mods and changes.
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That's fine Cory, of got another one there to put on the table but been flat out with other stuff including getting a new Mac computer sorted from a pc and all the associated changeover requirements which all takes time. When you've got it if you can send me the air fuel ratio too. A lot of dyno mobs won't or don't give them if not asked so make sure you ask for it as it actually shows how well tuned your bike is. 
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dynoed the bike last night made 62 hp at the wheel the guys printer was messed up so he is going to email me the dyno sheet 
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Hi all, Been a while since I've been able to put some new dynos on here but better late than never. Also, if there's anyone who wants me to post their numbers, just pm or email me with the details. I'd also appreciate if people could make sure they supply the details that go onto the dyno table so other members can see what's been done to a bike to get the dyno numbers posted. Anyhow, Here's BJ's dyno followed by and Hasse's after the new printout. DynoNumbersPage1.jpg  DynoNumbersPage2.jpg  DynoNumbersPage3.jpg  BJsDyno.jpg HaasDyno1.jpg
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Yeah, c'mon Stacka. It's not like you're too busy working.  Hey, Moe, you're a mod, can you get into his profile and change his avatar to "Slacka" (and then we can run a sweep on how long it takes him to notice). 
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Break the rules. You know you want to. 
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Aha, he's back. Where the ...k have you been Wacka, umm I mean slacka. Sounds like you've been on the dacka but no, more like spread out on my rack(a) in between riding my new Kwacka. Just kidding, you know it's the Tigerrrr. Ha ha Ok, Due to numerous factors which have changed the way Stacka lives his life, I've asked Richard to take over the running of the Dyno Table Thread. Actually he volunteered first having seen it go to rack and ruin. Not to mention Photobucket kicking the bucket and somehow stuffing every link from it I'd put in. Anyway, first off I'd like to apologise to the few who sent me pics of their dyno tables to be published over the last couple of years. I did have every intention of posting them up here but to be perfectly honest, just managing myself has been a challenge of late. So now I'm going to send Richard (Foglefar) all the dyno pics as well as the latest table and he'll then do what has to be done to get it functioning again. I'm certain he'll do a great job too because besides being an all round top bloke and fellow Aussie, he's a man of many talents which many of you would have noticed by now. Again my apologies for not doing this sooner but I've been like a spoilt brat with a toy I made and not wanting to share it with anyone. Shame shame shame Wacka, umm, I mean slacka. Bloody auto correct. Ha ha Stay tuned brothers and sisters. Stacka ( ahh, he got it right for once). What a lemon. 
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Any one up dating this I just had my bike dynoed. I will post the dyno sheets as soon as I can get them scanned. I also have a lay over of a sportster and my speedmaster.
08 865 JC Whitney Stock/Carb K&N pods 152 42 TBS N/A N/A 56.91 52.36
I will be shiming the needle soon to try to eliminate decel pop some.
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If decel pop is an issue, then turning out the pilot fuel screws should help.
That said, if you are running TBS needles & want to keep them, then in my experience TBS needles do better with larger pilot jets; you might try going to 45's if you're running 42's now.
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... I will be shiming the needle soon to try to eliminate decel pop some.
If decel pop is an issue, then turning out the pilot fuel screws should help.
That said, if you are running TBS needles & want to keep them, then in my experience TBS needles do better with larger pilot jets; you might try going to 45's if you're running 42's now.
What will that do to my air fuel mix? because it was a perfect flat line and don't want to mess it up I don't think I could get it any more perfect lol
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Try disconnecting your TPS at the plug beneath and below your carbs? That solved all my popping woes. No fun trying to get at, I finally used a pair of long reach pliers from both sides at the same time, plus a well coordinated helper buddy along with good light on the subject, and it suddenly got easier. Plus if you don't like the results, just plug it back together
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Any one up dating this I just had my bike dynoed. I will post the dyno sheets as soon as I can get them scanned. I also have a lay over of a sportster and my speedmaster.
08 865 JC Whitney Stock/Carb K&N pods 152 42 TBS N/A N/A 56.91 52.36
I will be shiming the needle soon to try to eliminate decel pop some.
I'll be doing the dyno updates instead of Stacka from now on. Yours is the first for a long time. When you post your dyno I will download it and place a link to a copy of it so we will always have it should your link fail. 
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I will be doing one a year i hope. a place near me did a dyno days 35 dollars for 2 runs. just the print out no adjustments.
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I never posted mine here. This is from last year. Have only changed the exhaust from the modified TORs to Rineharts since this run. Info that can be added to the sheet, MattyMo, 2009/865, modified TORs, EFI, UNI w/no snorkel or baffle plate, N/A, N/A, N/A as it's EFI, 904 big bore, ? s/o Birmingham AL, 59.5HP, 50.9TQ, comments: enlarged air box inlet, no snorkel or baffle plate, 813 cams, 904 big bore, 17T front sprocket, TORs shortened then gutted & re-stuffed with larger ID core pipe. 
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A few comments about your run:
Factory Pro EC dynos are more conservative than DJ dynos Barometric pressure was relatively low; all other things equal, higher BP produces more power The negative correction factor shows an output less than what the bike actually made on that dyno on that run All things considered that's a decent run
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This is for my bike. You already have the rest of my info  This was for fun its a 1200 sportster layed over my speedmaster
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sure would be nice to see people note the elevations down, otherwise these mean little to me in terms of tunes.
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sure would be nice to see people note the elevations down, otherwise these mean little to me in terms of tunes.
I think you would only make a minimal change by using these for tuning. If we were all on the same dyno then yeah, sure but dynos differ from one to another too much.
I have always used this sheet as a reference as to what combination of certain performance mods might actually do.
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I'll put the elevations in that are available anyway. Would the sequence of the dynes be more useful if they're sorted by engine size and carbed/efi?
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Mine's about 100'.
Erle, I don't seem to have your dyno data at all?
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Would the sequence of the dynes be more useful if they're sorted by engine size and carbed/efi?
I like how you have it now...by engine size. 
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my second run on are with a 904... can't get those numbers with a 790 
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Dave, it does specify 904 in the bore column for your second run, but I'll change it in the 2nd column also to avoid confusion. 
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I was at the Team Triumph open house this weekend and they had $30 dyno pulls. It had been approximately 20K miles since the speedy was last on a dyno. 84.61 and 60.45 - 4 hp better than the run when the 904 was first done. I would attribute that to lots of fiddling with the carbs over the years. 
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You run is hard to read due to the size...is that "STD" correction? If so, was the prior run perhaps SAE corrected instead of the "inflated" STD correction?
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You run is hard to read due to the size...is that "STD" correction? If so, was the prior run perhaps SAE corrected instead of the "inflated" STD correction?
it does say STD (standard) the previous run from 7/10/09 does not list a correction. Looking back thru my notes, the earlier run was with CVK carbs and this run with FCR's.
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