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I've noticed we have members whose first bike is an America or a Speedmaster. I learned on a 3hp mini-bike so the idea of a 120mph 'learner' is a little shocking to me. Since the rest of us have a bazillion years experience combined, I thought a thread like would help turn newbies into oldbies. What's your best Save A$$ advice? I have three:
1.Practice,practice,practice- And I don't mean slow and gentle either! An emergency situation is not the place to discover the limits of performance. Go to a mall parking lot (when it's closed) and find out how hard you can brake before the wheel locks up. Find out how hard you can accelerate from a dead stop. Try it in the rain too. You don't have to go crazy, but you need to find this stuff out.
2.Let the cagers know you're watching them- It's amazing the effect turning your head and staring at the guy waiting to make a left in front of you has. Also turning around and looking at the car pulling up behind you at a stoplight. Like a little kid who realizes daddy's watching, they behave a little better.
3.Keep one eye on the mirror while braking. Braking a little harder and a little later also reduces your chance of being rear-ended.
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Beware of crowned driveway aprons where you pull up with the handlebars turned and tap the front brake.
Hard to describe the ooops,oooop hoping to regain balance before you totally drop the bike at 0 MPH til you do it.
I try to aggravate one person a day. Today may be your day.
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The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
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also beware of putting your foot down in a pot hole at a stop sign.While carrying a somewhat wobbly nervous passneger.Who decides to jump off because she thought you were going to fallover. This can also lead to a 0 mph crash.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
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also beware of putting your foot down in a pot hole at a stop sign.While carrying a somewhat wobbly nervous passneger.Who decides to jump off because she thought you were going to fallover. This can also lead to a 0 mph crash.
I won't ask where this piece of advice came from ... 
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Leave PLENTY of room between you and the vehicle in front of you. If he straddles a road gator or a pothole or whatever, you need time to react. Don't ride in blind spots. Wait for the vehicle in front of you to pass to the point where you have room, then nail it and get by as fast as you can. 700+ miles per week, combined slab and street, these are the two most common hazards I see. (plenty of less common, but this'll do for now) 
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Never feel like you have mastered the bike. A little bit of respect for the machine will save some hide.
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Assume they're all trying to kill you... because they are.
More flags
More fun!
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Stay out of cagers' blind spots(the rear corner of their cars on both their left and right sides) as much as you can. Too many drivers today it seems, think just checking their mirrors is enough of a look in order for them to change lanes.(I guess new drivers aren't taught to turn their heads momentarily to check those blind spots anymore...kind'a like parallel parking being a "lost art" too, huh?!) So if you live in a state where you are not allowed to "split lanes"(seems the only "enlightened" state when it comes to this VERY SAFE practice is California) and must ride "with the traffic", be sure that if you are stuck traveling at the same rate of speed as that cager next to you, that you can see that cager's EYES in their mirror or are at least slightly in front of their front doors, so that cellphone using/makeup applying/newspaper reading...ahem..."person" with the wheel(and your life) in their hands, is aware of your presence next to them. This practice is actually safer(and a whole lot less annoying to your neighbors and LAW ENFORCEMENT) than those "loud pipes" that way too many dunderheads today THINK will "save their lives". Cheers, Dwight (naw...I "ain't opinionated" AT ALL....why would you think THAT?!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Hmmm, Ohio has NO Laws on the books about Splitting Lanes. But Best I can advise is this: No matter where you are, IF you are scared, worried or nervious? Pull over, take a side street, what ever it takes. Better to be late then never arrive. Confidence comes with experience. Experience comes with years. Years come by staying alive!
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Jeff, So in Ohio you CAN lane split?
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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There are no laws at all about it! As long as We don't cross the center line nor pass on the right!  And we've been helmet free for over 26 years?  Sometimes I think THEY ARE out to get us! 
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Huh! Interesting! I thought this here place was the only state that allowed it. I wonder what other states allow it?
Oh and BTW...Your "Confidence comes with experience, etc....." was very well put! But, keeping with the intent of this thread, I think "false or over-confidence" is what probably trips up most newbies. They begin to think after a few months or a few years that they've got this motorcycling thing "down pat", and then will find themselves in over their heads in some situation that they might not have encountered before.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Could be that a lot of people don't realize that unless something is specifically prohibited by law, it's legal. In Nevada, it's called "lane sharing" and it's illegal  . So check your laws, if it's not prohibited, go for it. (you might have to test it in court though)
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For the first 15 years, I thought I had it down.  This last 15+? Heck! I'm lookin at helmets again!!!  Not because I fear what may happen. But because I know from haveing been there, what may happen again! And I don't heal so quick anymore! 
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In Florida, it's called "Failure to remain in lane". In 1988 it was 3 points and $98 fine, probably close to $200 fine now. And yeah, I got one.
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Hmmm, Ohio has NO Laws on the books about Splitting Lanes. But Best I can advise is this: No matter where you are, IF you are scared, worried or nervious? Pull over, take a side street, what ever it takes. Better to be late then never arrive. Confidence comes with experience. Experience comes with years. Years come by staying alive!
Very well put....this statement should be placed on the home page somwhere.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
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NEVER use your mirrors to make a POSITIVE decision...IE: It's ok to change lanes...ONLY use them to make a NEGATIVE decision...IE: It's NOT ok to change lanes...ALL POSITIVE decisions should be made by TURNING YOUR HEAD TO LOOK!!!
THE VOICE OF REASON
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When pulling up to a stoped lane of trafic...ALWAYS leave an ESCAPE route...and the room to use it...so when that sweet-young-thing yapping on her cell phone realises its to late to stop before hitting you...YOU can get the Fu(K out of her way...it helps greatly if your bike is in first gear and you watch behind you untill the car approaching has come to a complete stop...
THE VOICE OF REASON
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One good habbit I picked up in my safety course was downshifting to first as I come to a stop every time for that very reason.
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Be careful putting your foot down on traffic markings in the road. Turn arrows, crosswalk lines, etc. Even when dry, they can be very slippery (slippy for those of you from Pittsburgh...). I had a very embarassing, slow motion drop because of a left turn arrow under my right foot.
Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should just get used to that fact and relax
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never be the first to leave at a light... use someone else to block for you.
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When crossing a busy 4-way intersection, get closer to the traffic in front of you and let them run interference for you.
Stay to the right or left in a lane at a stop light to avoid to crap people drip from their cages.
Pay particular attention to the old beaters out there. They give even less of a crap about you.
Always do a safety check before starting out (lights, brakes, chain, tires....)
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" - Robert Heinlein
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Years ago when I use to live in California, I remember the statistics regarding new motorcycle riders. This "new" included anyone new to the state, new to motorcycles or just getting a new bike. The statistic was that the "new" rider had a 50% chance of being in a accident within the first 6 months. Almost 40% chance within the first year. After 2 years it dropped down to 25% and each year down a little more.
So this to me showed that experience as a rider, with the roads and with your bike where all key to surviving. I managed to survive for 18 months until I sold my Honda Goldwing (stripped down version, no fairing or bags).
I have also found that most bike accidents that are due to the biker are because the rider is going to fast for the conditions at that time.
When in city traffic try to stay within 5mph of the speed limit. The cagers have a hard enough time seeing bikes, but when going to fast in heavy traffic you will become just a shadow to them, and thus the excuse that "I never even saw the bike until we hit".
Tom
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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Well said! Pulling over is sometimes the best thing to do
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Good point! Especially down hill stop signs where the road slopes to the right. Just a little too much front brake and you're picking it up off the pavement.
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LOL! Years ago I was turning out onto the street and my wife thought we were going over so she jumped off and pulled me with her! Broke her tail bone.
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Never ride next to or behind dual rear wheel trucks or trailors, especially at speed. Those tires shedding tread can take you out.
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Broke her tail bone.
Wouldn't a good talkin' to have done the trick?  
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LOL! We don't ride double anymore.
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1. As long as your speed is within the limitation of your tire traction and all else is as it should be, the space between you and other objects (including the road!) is the one thing standing between you and crashing. If that space is allowed to drop to zero, you have crashed. 2. Never show off, especially when someone you know is watching. Showing off increases the probability of something going wrong. Being watched by someone you know increases the probability of something going wrong. Add the two together and you don't have a chance, so just behave as if you had good sense. 3. If the people next to you, behind or in front of you, or coming the other way weren't raving maniacs, they'd be on a bike same as you, so watch out for them.
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Don't beep your horn at wild life....made that mistake by beeping at a huge condor like thing just off the edge of the road, at 70 mph... he jumped strait up, expanded his 11 foot wing span, and grazed my helmet with his talons.....Guy behind me in a F-150 got a great show!! Just slow down and go around if possible...
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Just when you think you and her are as one and she will do anyting you ask, you'll do somthing dumb and she will throw you to the ground and smash your head into the pavement. 
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Don't beep your horn at wild life....made that mistake by beeping at a huge condor like thing just off the edge of the road, at 70 mph... he jumped strait up, expanded his 11 foot wing span, and grazed my helmet with his talons....
Evidently Mark, you never heard that Peruvian folk song, "El Condor Passa", BEFORE this little incident, HUH?!
(translated from the original Spanish....it goes something like this......) ____________________
I'd better slow down for that big a$$ bird Yes I should If I could I surely would _________________________
(you may remember Simon and Garfunkel doin' a take on it years ago)
Cheers, Dwight (forgive me.....too much coffee today)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Use even more caution when the seasons change. When the cool seasons arrive cagers see very few bikes on the road and become even less aware.
Watch out for the shiney tar strips sealing cracks in the road.
Of course watch out for sandy corners and leaves in the fall.
Do not try to pass a turning vehicle you cannot see around or over.
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My buddy got a ticket on a rental HD in Cali for lane splitting. Apparently it is NOT completely legal. As is was explained to him it is up to the officer if you are doing it in a safe manner or not. They make the decission on the spot if you will be pulled over and issued a summons. The officers reason was that the bike he was on was too large to safely lane share. Rediculous excuse but he still got the ticket.
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When at a light and the light turns green. Keep your feet on the ground and look to make sure some idiot's not trying to make the yellow still. Don't worry about the smuck behind you that toots his horn, He obviously dosen't know better and your bike will have long left him in the dust. But keep an extra eye on that one behind you, he may wanna test you coming up. 
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Overshooting turns used to be a problem for me when first riding in the early-mid 70's. I'd sometimes end up in the lane to my right, or shoulder if it was a one-laner.
Look through the turn, not directly in front of you when turning. You should be looking at where you want to end up at turn completion at the start of the turn itself.
Ditto on the above mirror statemet. Always, turn your head to check before changing lanes.
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Just when you think you and her are as one and she will do anyting you ask, you'll do somthing dumb and she will throw you to the ground and smash your head into the pavement.
I thought this thread was about riding safty. Not married life.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
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Look where you are going, not where you are. Take the MSF course! Ride! If you only ride on the weekends, you start all over again every Saturday! Ride every chance you get - take every opportunity! Learn to ride in the rain and not be afraid of it. Respectful of it, but not afraid. Gear up. Do your safety checks before riding (lights, air pressures), and perform proper chain maintenance when needed. Ride. Alot. Experience comes from hours/miles in the saddle. Don't try to keep up with those on faster bikes, or those with more experience - ride your own ride, and don't worry about them. They will get over it, and would rather have you behind them on the road, than left at home. Never question the abilities of your TRIUMPH motorcycle. It is as good a bike as there is on the road, limited in performance ONLY by your riding experience and confidence. It will keep up with or outperform any other cruiser (except the Rocket III) except in acceleration at speeds over the speed limit anyway. Most sportbikes I see on the roads around Houston are not riding around Houston as fast as I ride my Speedmaster. They could, but either lack the experience/skill/confidence, or are just not in a hurry to get there. I pass most other motorcycles I ever see on the road simply because I am riding faster to begin with. It is not a race. My Speedmaster just stays at about 80 mph all the time. They won't. As it appears that the new cast wheels on the America are now shod with the same Metzler tires as the Speedmaster - be confident that you are riding on some of the finest tubeless tires available, affording exceptional grip and traction at all lean angles and on wet pavement. More than a lot of other aspects of machine, I think the high-end tires contributed the most to my confidence in the bike, and influenced my feelings about riding in the rain by proving to me that traction is minimally affected. Because of that, I'll ride in any weather (except snow/ice?), and this has helped me accrue 26k on my SM in only 26 months of riding. I am/was a newbie. The SPEEDMASTER helped me get over it, along with a lot of support from the family here at BA.COM. 
Keith Houston Ridin'Texas '04 Speedmaster AI removed, Pingle, UNI Filter, 1 shim, straight-through slash-cut TORs, Stage 1 DynaJet, 140 mains, 3 turns, 16/42 final drive, 115K 2020 T120 Black
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Thanks for all the good tips. They taught us to head check in the MSF class but I was getting out of that habit because I didn'nt feel like I had a blind spot. But I will take ya'lls word for it and get back in the habit. Do you guys think that it is worth while to change tires? Are the Bridgestones that bad?
Thanks.
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CT, I don't know as I'd go so far as to say Bridgestones are "bad". But it seems the majority, if not all people here replace them with Metzelers, Avons, Dunlops or something else when it's time. Myself, I'd run them until it's time. Metzeler and Avon seem to have the largest following  JH
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Just to put my 2p in... I rode the Bridgestones till they needed changing. I heard what people were saying and it was happening to me..the following ruts in the road and other stuff. I changed to the Metzelers. They weren't the cheapest, but I'd heard nothing bad. The difference was remarkable. I could throw the bike around corners in ways that I didn't think were possible before. OK so my riding style was better than when I first got the bike, but all the same. Cut to 6 months later. Some prat has hit my beloved, but a very nice man has lent me an America (he still at the time of writing hasn't ridden it). The only problem, the man he's bought it from lives 100 miles away. No problem. I'll ride it back from there. Am I sure...? Course I am. But it's got those bloody Bridgestones on. I'm back to following grooves in the road. And I don't mean the ones coming from my iPod. And not throwing one round a corner. And when I pick the shiny new one this week, that will have bloody Bridgestones on too... but they'll have to stay. I have plans for that one, and I'll be skint after buying the flaming thing anyway.
Change them...? I would when they need doing. But you'll be able to tell the difference. And wonder why you didn't before. I did.
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Thanks a lot. Didn't mean to hijack the thread. I'll shut up and keep a look out for more good advice.
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Never touch the front brake while the wheels aren't dead straight, even at walking speed. Going fast not only limits your reaction times to danger, it also limits others reaction times to you . You may feel that you are not going dangerously fast - ie you will be able to stop before any perceived danger, but are you prepared to bet your life that the next guy you overtake is as clued up, alert and sober as you are? Unless the road is deserted, you must factor into your "speed appropriate to the conditions" calculations, other road users, not just whether its been raining or not. Don't think about how good you're looking - even if you are Brad Pitt on a Bonnie! If you're not concentrating on riding, you really improve your chances of crashing. Exercise extreme caution when pulling up in front of cinema queues, biker gatherings, dealerships, office colleagues. This is always when you will forget to put the kickstand down or something. 
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Excellent advice. I started always putting my foot down at a stop sign. Lot's of guys laugh me. This weekend, a guy riding in the hill country went through a stop sign and got hit by a big Mercury. It killed his passenger and he's in the hospital. No excuse for that
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Gotta disagree with this one Rich. Using brakes in combination is a necessary skill to achieve the best performance. The technique of "trail braking" involves use of the front brake while in turns. Too much back brake can cause a traction loss. In fact some times, I don't use the back brake, just the front. Of course you must always be aware of any potential traction compromising situations.
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Using brakes in combination is a necessary skill to achieve the best performance
Using brakes in combination is a necessary skill. PERIOD! Not just from a performance stand point! You go blowing around a curve and come upon one of those giant Wood Rats (Some of you may call them Deer), locking the rear brake alone is gonna bring on a WORLD of hurt!
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wait.... there's a back break....  I find I'm about 70/30 front to back...and for "stops" it's more af a "cross fade" from front to rear...
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Never touch the front brake while the wheels aren't dead straight, even at walking speed.
Gotta disagree with this one Rich. Using brakes in combination is a necessary skill to achieve the best performance. The technique of "trail braking" involves use of the front brake while in turns. Too much back brake can cause a traction loss.
In fact some times, I don't use the back brake, just the front. Of course you must always be aware of any potential traction compromising situations.
Never heard of that one either. Trail braking is a must in sport riding. I would not use the back brake much on a twisty unless you want to get a view of your rear tire.
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Using brakes in combination is a necessary skill to achieve the best performance
Using brakes in combination is a necessary skill. PERIOD! Not just from a performance stand point!
Of course. In my attempt to emphasize the importance of this skill, I inadvertently made it somewhat ambiguous . As penance, I shall now retreat into my shame and force myself to consume a potion of approximately six percent ethanol 
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Wow I thought I was just riding wrong. Glad its ok to use the front again. My first dirt bike didn't have a rear brake. So I almost never use one, it has to be a conscious effort on my part to use the rear.
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Use a little more back brake and a little less front in the rain. Using one gear lower than normal helps too.
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Use a little more back brake and a little less front in the rain. Using one gear lower than normal helps too.
Maybe that's what I meant. I nearly wiped out in my Direct Access training by trying to front brake as I was going round a corner. The instructor told me never to use the front brake alone if the wheels weren't straight. It was raining heavily though.
The thread title was "save-a-newbie". I don't think he will have, or even should attempt to, master trail-biking methods on the streets. But I'm a newbie too, so what do I know? 
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it's not just save a newbie stuff we're concerned with. sometimes refreshers or reminders are good for all of us. heavy front braking even if the wheels are straight can cause a problem too. know your bike. know your grip and how the brakes respond individually and together in all kinds of weather conditions. always good to check that before you head out OTR.
i went absolutelyairborne many years ago off a bicycle trying to avoid getting in an accident. water bottle in left hand my reflex went for the front brake(aka free hand) rather than ditching the bottle and using both brakes.
still holding onto the bike i flipped buttoverhead then crashed down hard bike on top of me. broke two ribs and got cut up pretty bad. and that was just on a bicycle.
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I'm not one for slaming the front brake on either....Like mert I went over the front of a bicycle when I was younger. After that I never used the front brake. I don't use the front brake a lot now. Even when I did slam on the front brake I didn't stop in time...hence the new bike...
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I took a fly over the handle bars of a bicycle once myself...hurt like hell as i recall.
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I have also found that most bike accidents that are due to the biker are because the rider is going to fast for the conditions at that time.
Plus, if you're going slower, it gives the cager a chance to hangup their cell phone if they are headed for you.
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Learning trail-braking on the streets can be dicey, this is why I recommended practicing in the proverbial empty parking lot. Gina, was 'slamming' on the brakes just an expression or did you just jerk the lever? Like firing a pistol, you should be smooth and squeeze the lever and steadily increase the pressure. With empty lot rain practice, it gets a lot easier. You would be suprised how hard you can use the front brake in the rain.
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Tip #2 Continue to look cool, even though you just laid your bike down because you forgot to put the side stand down. 
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Maybe slamming is a Brit term...
Jumping on the brake cos a car was in the way...... and hoping I was gonna stop before hitting it. I didn't and that is why I have a new one.... And it was dry.
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Practice full on front and rear braking Gina. Get comfortable with the process so it becomes instinctive. It helps to have someone watch you, at least until you know what the rear brake locking up feels like (you don't want this). A locked front is actually much easier to deal with. Simple sensory input-output here. Hands are much more dexterous than feet. It's much easier to judge how much brake you're applying with your fingers. Might just save you another nasty meeting.
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I find it very helpful to go to a large (empty) parking lot and practice several things. One of them is emergency stopping. Run it up in the gears and slam in both brakes and try to come to a controlled stop. The practice really does help give you a good feel for what the bike can do and gives you confidence in your ability to make a emergency stop.
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Ride straight. Always. Party at the END of the day's ride.
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I lifted these from a police motorcycle course:
The key to safe low speed motion is to modulate and control your speed by feathering the clutch and rear brake in unison. This allows one to travel slower than stall speed in first gear, and won't hurt a wet clutch if done in relative moderation. (This is how the cops do it)
At slow speeds, ignore the instinct to look down at the ground. NEVER look down at low speed. If you look down, you'll go down. I find this practice handy for grooved roads and bridges too. DON'T look down.
When making turns at low speed, turn your head in that direction, and the bike will follow. For very tight turns and U turns, turn your head as far as it will go, like an owl. The farther you turn your head, the tighter you can turn. It sounds weird, but it works.
NEVER use the front brake at low speeds.
It is possible for everyone who rides a motorcycle to make controlled full lock turns at 5 MPH. It just takes practice. Start by having someone stand in one place, or prop up a broom as a sighting target, and circle around, while looking at their head or broom height only. (DON'T look down!) Feather the rear brake & clutch as you go. Keep making the circle smaller, and practice in both directions. If you practice this on a hot day, make a run or two now & then to cool the engine. This is a very handy skill to have in traffic, when parking, and when making tight U turns. It should be second nature to be able to make a U turn within two parking spaces, with both feet on the pegs, in complete control, and with full confidence. EVERY production motorcycle sold in the US* is capable of this U turn in two parking spaces maneuver. A few hours with the circle exercise will get anyone there. Try it and see.
These techniques and many more are on this DVD, which is primarily devoted to low speed high proficiency riding techniques.
http://www.ridelikeapro.com/RLAP4.asp
This is a great DVD for low speed technique. Depending upon availability, it could make for a right nice stocking stuffer too. The second portion of the DVD is the actual police riding course, which requires ample & sturdy crash bars, even for the majority of skilled and highly experienced riders interested in riding it. If one can master that section, they can literally drag the pegs at 3 to 5 MPH and in full control. (I never tried that part of the course - my knees are my crash bars.)
*OK, so maybe the 14' production choppers can't U-turn that tight
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The 'Ride Like a Pro Series are great! The example of his wife handling a big hog sent me to the closest high school parking lot on Sunday mornings. Circling a light pole works well if you don't forget the little feet that come out at the base.
The latest Rider mag has an interesting tidbit about a guy who took a police riding course. 'Everyone has one side they are better turning on.' I noticed that during practice and thought I was just weird(different subject). I can make tighter slow left hand circles than right circles and I'm right handed.
The Rider peice said this police dept makes it even worse by putting the tight U turns up against a brick wall so you can't shicken out and exit.
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OUCH!  I've found that just a new pair of winter riding gloves has required a lot of practice with covering the front brakes.
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Me & thick gloves don't get along too well either, but sometimes they're a must in the cool weather. A throttle lever helps some while covering the front brake with thick gloves. Some say you shouldn't cover the brake like that, but after a quick stop the other night to make room for Bambi, I believe I'll keep covering the brake at night whenever I remember to.
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My dear old dad told me to treat all car drivers as idiots,i forgot this advice twice and got the various busted bones and bruises..
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Be careful what you carry in your pocket. I am guilty of this one too often. We use single-edge razor blades at work. I have a huge pile of them at home because I always forget to empty my pockets. I bet some of you do too. Tools or parts in a jacket pocket, backpack, or belt pouch will do some damage too.
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It seems we have a lot of new riders these days. So I thought I'd bring this topic back up.
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Hey Brian,
Thanks for bringing this back up. I'm a newbie and I've just gone on my first long rides after taking the MSF course and practicing a bit more in quiet residential areas and parking lots. Of course I need to work on all of my skills, but the most glaring right now are:
1. Taking a tight right hand turn from a stop sign or light in a residential area with very narrow roads. I slowly let out the clutch and seem to give to much throttle because I don't want to stall, and I've ended up making the turn way wide and ended up on the wrong side of the road. Not good. Maybe I should just release the clutch very slowly and stay off the throttle?
2. For some reason I can't get it through my head to cancel my turn signals everytime I use them. I've spent alot of time in cages and they've all done that for me. I know the answer here is to develop the habit of cancellinng them, I hope my writing it will drive it home.
3. When coming to a stop or slowing for a vehicle to turn, I am not sure whether I want to use engine braking, or Pull the cluth in and shift all the way down to first without letting it out and apply the brakes. I think I am beginning my slowing stopping processes later than I should.
Any pointers would surely be appreciated. These sites have helped me tremendously already as a beginning motorcyclist. I'm glad they're here.
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1. Taking a tight right hand turn from a stop sign or light in a residential area with very narrow roads. I slowly let out the clutch and seem to give to much throttle because I don't want to stall, and I've ended up making the turn way wide and ended up on the wrong side of the road. Not good. Maybe I should just release the clutch very slowly and stay off the throttle?
I by no means consider myself an expert but sound to me more like you are just not turning your head far enough. Look where you want to go and you will go there.
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3. When coming to a stop or slowing for a vehicle to turn, I am not sure whether I want to use engine braking, or Pull the cluth in and shift all the way down to first without letting it out and apply the brakes. I think I am beginning my slowing stopping processes later than I should.
Read the following thread in riding techincs
Braking at a red light.
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Here's the link for the engine braking. I like it! But I also consider it sort of a "secondary skill", more of a preference. Not an essential skill like coming to a controlled stop outright. Get the basics down, then worry about splitting hairs. I'll second the head turning. I also tend to turn the bike just a bit as I am coming to a stop so it's slightly less than a 90 deg turn, sorta cheating. Habbits for the signal cancelling... Just like you said.
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Get the book "Total Control" and read about counter steering. If you're turning right push on the right side of the handlebar and the bike will fall/turn to the right. It starts at a VERY slow speed. Counter intuitive but true. Get the book, well worthwhile.
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The law of gravity gets us all sooner or later.Yes I have been down over the years a few times.Last time just coming to a stop.Cracked left elbow then.I try to always wear a jacket even in the summer now.Cool thing about helmets if you bump your head,they usually show a mark.New helmets are cheap compared to hospital visits.They also are warmer in the winter and dryer in the rain. In the summer they can actually keep you cooler and help keep you from getting sun burned.I've gotten hit in the head riding by rocks,trash,bugs-big bugs of all sorts,bees included,and birds.I know I have a thick head,but a helment helps.Down side to the helmet,yeah supposidly you cannot hear as good.****** my hearing is not as good anymore anyway.Helmets miss up your hair,there again I don't have much hair anymore! You have to clean the face shield of bugs.Boy that's a hassle.Better than your face or a trip to the eye doctor.Oh I have gotten a bee inside the fullface helmet going down the road.Scarry yes!! I managed not to crash or get stung.Good luck out there!! 
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You can make your tightest turn by feathering the clutch. Let it out a little, get going a little, pull the clutch back in a little, and turn tighter. Most riders have to use this method for their tightest of U-turns. Practice in a parking lot. Your bike downshifts easier when the output shaft is spinning, in other words, while you're still moving. It can be harder to shift if you wait until you're stopped. I like the sound of an engine on overrun(coasting down), but serious braking should be done with the brakes, both together.
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Thought of a guy at work reading some of the other comments.He's a new street rider.Bought himself a GT650R Hyosung.He let me take it out,seems like a good starter bike.He got a good deal on it brand new.He has not had it six months even yet.He told me he has 1600 miles on it now.Guess what he's thinking of getting a CBR1000 Honda now.I'd like to see the guy get more exsperence on the 650 before jumping onto the CBR1000. He's a young guy and I know he thinks faster is better,but not always.I personally think he would do better to wait a year and get some miles under his seat.
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I know a lot of people in situations like that... Plus my neighbor is egging this one girl on "but an inline 4 is soooo smooooth" like she really cares how much smoother a motor is. Yeah it's also powerful enough to go right out from under her. That's a BIG step up from a little thumper.
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 Newbies, this one's for you! 
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This subject & context should be a separate Forum in it's own right , some darn good advise here. Hoffo
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That's a lot of reading a chock full o' good info. Here's my advice: relax your death grip on the controls, if you're hanging on for dear life you're not in control. Head up, look where you want to go, expect the worst from everyone else and stay out of the oil slick at intersections. Me, I watch everyone else's wheels at a stop, folks who creep will jump in front of you every time. Oh yeah, never hurts to offer a friendly wave to other riders 
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When I first started riding a street bike (@14), my mother was worried about an accident. A guy she worked with (who also rode) reassured her by telling her that bike riders become much better drivers because they learn to stay aware of their surroundings at all times and those skills carry over with them when they are driving their cars. That was almost 40 years ago. The fact that this thread exists today proves that it's still true. Mom still worries though  and I won't even go into the chaos that ensued when Dad bought a new bike @ 80.
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This is what I told my son and his friends when they got their sport bikes... "There's a time and place for fast riding!" Always think about where you are, and what the results of your actions could be. They have all told me since that these words kept coming back to them...hopefully it made a difference.
later, Tom.
But, what do I know?
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Your new bike is going to attract alot of attention. Don't let it distract you. I should know better, but when a beautiful Spanish girl in a bikini is staring at your bike and smiling as you ride by, you're going to return the favor.  I stopped a couple feet short of hitting the city bus.  Live and Learn or Crash and Burn
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Steepen your learning curve, newbies. 
Steelheart- '03 Speedmaster Black/Yellow
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Been to TWO different bike club meetings where the guest speaker prefaces his discourse with "There are two kinds of riders - those who HAVE crashed and those that WILL crash" Aaackk ! I wanted to leave ! I sincerely believe , and it's not arrogant or naive , that one can ride a lifetime and never "crash ." It would be like sitting on a plane before departure and the flight attendant says "there are two kinds of passengers , those who have crashed and burned and those that will."
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OK braking. There's a reason that many bikes have twin disks on the front while only having a single smaller one (or even a drum) at the rear. The front brakes are your MAIN brakes and at anything above walking speed they should be doing 70-90% of the work. At riding speeds the rear brake is more of a "stabiliser" for the rear too keep things in balance. At SLOW speeds (ie: walking speed, maybe up to 15mph/20kph) things change and your rear brake becomes more important than the front, but ONLY at those speeds. Relying on the rear at speed is a death wish, because as soon as the brakes start slowing the bike the centre of gravity moves way forward and you lose most of the traction on the rear wheel.
Brakes are also good for more than slowing the bike, they can help you control the bike in corners. While turning, gentle pressure on the rear brake (combined with easing the throttle off a little) will pull the bike further down into the corner. Conversely gently using the front brake (possibly with a slight increase in throttle) while cornering while stand the bike up. Note the emphasised words, this technique requires proper brake skills. Simply grabbing a handfull of lever will result in a very bad day. The correct technique is to move the lever (hand or foot) till you start to feel pressure then smoothly increase the pressure rather than applying it all at once.
Road position can save your life. Many newbie riders find themselves watching the road a few feet ahead of their front wheel - try to keep your vision 2-3 car lengths ahead of the bike, far enough ahead that you can anticipate things like pot holes, spilt diesel etc. If the road condition is clear and you're riding alone try to stay near the centre of the lane to keep the most distance between you and the traffic. If you're riding in a group, ride in the car wheel-tracks, with riders staggered left to right. This doubles the amount of space available to stop suddenly, and might help keep cars from pushing in front of you.
When pulling up at an intersection pay close attention to the road surface, and move from the centre of the lane to the car wheel tracks. You'll often seen "grease strips" at intersections where cars & trucks have spilt oil, diesel, coolant etc while waiting at the lights, and sitting to one side or the other will help avoid this. This is especially important in the wet.
Look "through" corners. If you focus on what's immediately in front of you on the twisties then what comes after will always be a surprise. If you look as far ahead as you can on corners you'll have ample time to set up your road position & speed to enter & exit the corner smoothly, and set yourself up for the next one. Your aim should be to enter the corner at the right speed to move through the entire corner, accelerating gently as you leave the corner to increase rear wheel traction and help straighten the bike up. Trying to change speed mid-corner will result in an unstable bike.
Use your gears! The single best way of losing traction is with your brakes. In general riding (ignoring very low speed maneuvers) you should generally only need your brakes when coming to a complete stop. If you're looking far enough ahead that you can anticipate what's coming, change down a gear or two to slow down rather than grabbing handfulls of brake. Using the gears to decelerate keeps the bike under power so you're ready to throttle up again to stand the bike up, or reduce throttle (perhaps feathering the rear brake) to corner harder. Relying on the brakes removes your control from the wheels, and takes them a lot closer to breaking traction & skidding. I'll say it again: In general riding you should almost never need brakes unless coming to a complete stop. If you don't believe me, watch the professional racers driving & riding - they rely mainly on the engine & gearbox to control the vehicle's speed than the brakes. Even when they do brake heavily, they still use the gears to assist in slowing the vehicle.
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A couple of favorites...
Do Not Panic! If you keep your head you have a much better chance of coming out the other side of whatever is happening in one largely functional piece.
Caution and confidence (both born of experience) will keep you alive, fear and cockiness are the killers.
Be aware of the sun. In the direction of your shadow you are worse than invisible, you are painful to look at / for. If you live where the time changes, remember that this has a big affect on where the sun is at your normal riding time.
Learn how people in cars behave on Friday afternoons, and Wed. mornings and at long lights and in traffic jams and at rural stop signs. Learn to watch for folks to look lost. Understanding the things that impact cage driver psychology / actions will help you avoid meeting them close up.
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... you're riding alone try to stay near the centre of the lane to keep the most distance between you and the traffic. If you're riding in a group, ride in the car wheel-tracks, with riders staggered left to right. This doubles the amount of space available to stop suddenly, and might help keep cars from pushing in front of you.
When pulling up at an intersection pay close attention to the road surface, and move from the centre of the lane to the car wheel tracks. You'll often seen "grease strips" at intersections where cars & trucks have spilt oil, diesel, coolant etc while waiting at the lights, and sitting to one side or the other will help avoid this. This is especially important in the wet.
I thought, even when riding alone, I should stay to one side of the lane or the other and avoid that center strip where all the gunk tends to fall? I seem to recall that from my MSF course last February. That's what I try to do, even when rumbling down the highway.
Blue/White 2007 TBA, Thruxton needles, Unifilter, AI removed, Polaris Bellmouth, Bubs, Nology Coils/wires, Lightbar, Ricor Intiminators, Hagon Nitros, Tall Sissy Bar w/luggage rack, Dart flyscreen & Lowers. 130 Mains, TrueGel Battery MG12-BS.
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That "gunk strip" is mostly at intersections. Otherwise, it's not too bad.
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stay close to the center line, so that oncomeing traffic can see you. 
ENJOY!!!!! NEWT!!!!!
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As a returning "newbie" I have found this most educational. Thanks Guys. 
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I have a little problem with the lane position theory being some kind of "rule". Where you should be in the lane varies depending on type of road, traffic, and weather conditions. The important thing is to use the whole lane accordingly. In rain conditions on a heavily travelled road, the water will be deeper (ponding) where the car tires run. Bikes can hydroplane too. On an interstate highway at 70 miles an hour, you can hug that center line if you wish, but an oncoming semi can push a whole bunch of air at you. And crosswinds can move you around a bit as well... In city traffic, stay as visible as possible, but assume no one sees you. They will pull in front of you, pull right in behind you and in some cases try to occupy the same space you are in.
So use the entire lane, keep your mind on what you're doing and don't make any sudden moves. You will eventually develope a "sixth sense" - that guy isn't going to stop/that girl behind me is on a cel phone and not paying attention/that truck driver doesn't know I'm back here/that minivan is going to pull out in front of me, etc. etc.
I rode up on a sidewalk once to avoid a jerk who ran a stop sign..... it happens. Keep your options open and you will lessen your chances of becoming a statistic.
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Problem with riding in the center is oil tends to gather there, not much of a problem in dry weather or in the interstate but on 2 lane 2ndary roads it can be. Painted lines and manholes tend to be slippery too as well as the tar strips.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains. Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
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I have a little problem with the lane position theory being some kind of "rule". Where you should be in the lane varies depending on type of road, traffic, and weather conditions. The important thing is to use the whole lane accordingly.
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On a two-lane road with a lot of traffic, I stay more to the right. When that guy pulls out to pass the first part of your lane he can see is the right side.
Steelheart- '03 Speedmaster Black/Yellow
The Hayabusa Killa
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Take care on bends in the wet, you never know if a truck has spilt deisal as it turned the corner, hitting that stuff is like ice.
Be aware of wet "slippier" roads after a long hot spell.
Run that new tyre in more than 100 miles, to be on the safe side.
Keep your headlight on permanantly, the more visible you are the better.
Have BOTH feet on the floor and a brake on as your pillion mounts and dismounts.
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If you live where there's snow and ice in the winter, be very careful riding early in the spring. In Wisconsin they use sand on the roads, and it takes a couple of good spring rains to wash it all away.
Watch out for gravel on blacktop roads during the summer. On a lot of rural blacktops they occasionally spread fresh pea gravel (called "chipping the road" here). The gravel gets smooshed into the blacktop over time, but can be pretty dangerous until then.
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Run that new tyre in more than 100 miles, to be on the safe side.
If you wipe that new tire down with Goof Off before installing it, that 100 miles is cut down to about 20.
Steelheart- '03 Speedmaster Black/Yellow
The Hayabusa Killa
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Just make a water box in the driveway and do a hole shot up the street, break a tire in quick  edit: neighbors like it best with loud pipes 
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"But, keeping with the intent of this thread, I think "false or over-confidence" is what probably trips up most newbies. They begin to think after a few months or a few years that they've got this motorcycling thing "down pat", and then will find themselves in over their heads in some situation that they might not have encountered before." Being a newbie with a gray beard, I appreciate the insights shared above. Arrogance is not a survival strategy. From my +30 years in construction I have yeared that successful safety has four components in order of importance: attitude, education, practice, and gear. Take responsibility for all four, and you have a decent chance of survival.
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Spent the morning reading this one (when it wasn't busy). Bump for newbs like me. 
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me" Hunter S. Thompson
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I'm thinking it would be a good thing to stickyfy this thread.
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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As a newbie, I definitely appreciate the thread. My pledge is to definitely take it all to heart. I definitely plan to... - practice like crazy; nice techie office complex 1 block from my house with parking lots like artificial streets I will be going around for 100's of miles. - will NOT carry a passenger for a loooong time - practice emergency hard breaking, etc... - take it easy, using with all good tips from here and safety course - did I mention practice, practice, practice?
Thanks all, CHUCKLES
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Steelheart- '03 Speedmaster Black/Yellow
The Hayabusa Killa
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This practice is actually safer(and a whole lot less annoying to your neighbors and LAW ENFORCEMENT) than those "loud pipes" that way too many dunderheads today THINK will "save their lives".
Cheers, Dwight (naw...I "ain't opinionated" AT ALL....why would you think THAT?!)
Its all in the eyes is it? The "cagers" much like a deer can only see whats in front of them and smell what is upwind but they can hear what is all around them. When i brought my Speedmaster home new the pipes were in my opinion dangerously quiet, i could here the cams over the pipes.You can't make them look at you but the have no choice but to hear you granted you are making noise. Screw my neighbors and the cops, I may not be seen but i WILL be heard......so don't wreck trying to eye f*** the guy in the car next to you, wake him up and make him call his boyfriend back cause the bike next to him is too loud! 
2006SM XS pods,145/45,XS springs,arlen ness mirrors,19t primary,Reality is you are the weak and I am the tyranny of evil men, but I'm tryin REAL hard to be the shepherd. Scott Jackson McCain
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Brilliant topic. Thanks guys.
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never be the first to leave at a light... use someone else to block for you.
I haven't heard that one yet... smart.
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During the cold months keep an eye out for wavy lines on the road. In areas like mine, the government agencies like to use a gell like supstance to de-ice our "wonderfuly maintained" and "smooth" roads. This gell is harmless once the sun dries it out, there's just one problem. If the sun stayed on the road long enough to dry all the gell then we wouldn't need to worry about ice. This de-icer sticks to your tires and can act like an oil slick.
This brings me to another point. There is no such thing as a safe or well maintained road. If it is smooth and feels good stay aware, because it will get rough again real soon.
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Never question the abilities of your TRIUMPH motorcycle. It is as good a bike as there is on the road, limited in performance ONLY by your riding experience and confidence. It will keep up with or outperform any other cruiser (except the Rocket III) except in acceleration at speeds over the speed limit anyway. ... More than a lot of other aspects of machine, I think the high-end tires contributed the most to my confidence in the bike, and influenced my feelings about riding in the rain by proving to me that traction is minimally affected. Because of that, I'll ride in any weather (except snow/ice?), and this has helped me accrue 26k on my SM in only 26 months of riding.
I agree. When I first got my America 10 months ago I got alot of complements about how nice the bike looked. 16,000 miles latter and its a different story. Now I get complements about carving up the road.
Last weekend ZKMC had its end of the year party and to celebrate we blazed down and around Boeing Field. I passed everyone but the Speed Triple, and that included custom Cafe Kawasaki.
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Not sure if this has been addressed yet but one of the things I do pretty much automatically at the start of a ride is drop my left hand, locate the fuel tap and give it a quick twist to reserve and back. I do this so I know, instinctively, where it is, should I feel the low fuel 'stutter'. It's all very well on a straight road but what if you feel it halfway into a bend? It might not save your life but it may stop you having to drift over to the side of the road with empty carbs, cars passing too close for comfort.
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First off, I want to thank each of you for sharing all this valuble information. I got my endorsement in Sept, rode 3000 miles on a honda 250 rebel and then purchased my first triumph. I find myself every few weeks returning to review all the tips . I honestly can say that because of each of you sharing your experiance , I am really enjoying the whole process of being a newbie rider. I ride every day and I am progressing nicely... I have many aha moments as I feel more at ease and more in control. practice practice and practice is the best advice. THANKS SO MUCH TO EACH OF YOU AND KEEP THE ADVICE COMING.
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Great stuff here, many years of empirical data. My two piasters - riding here in New Jersey is a high art in survival. In the towns and cities, riding in the right tire track of your lane will encourage some sh*tbird to squeeze past you and sling you onto the curb or shoulder. We ride in the left tire track mostly, and on open roads you need to switch tracks at random or some jerk will sneak up on your right side and drift you into the opposite lane. ALWAYS lock eyes with drivers - if you can't see their eyes they will surely try some bonehead stunt. Just cause you're paraniod doesn't mean they are not out to get you.
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Dress for a crash, regardless of temperature, & not the ride... Every crash is preventable by SOMEONE, but maybe not by you...
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I just read this whole thread. I just want to say thanks to all of you guys. I'm about as 'newbie' as they come (less than 500 miles riding experience) and I'll be revisiting this thread often.
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Always adjust your speed to match visibility. There might be something on the other side of that obstruction. Remember, "can't see" is not at all the same as "nothing there".
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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Here's a new one! Covered bridges. The old historic wooden ones.
Some of you may never see one in your life, but if you do encounter one be aware that some have 2 parallel wooden runners meant for car tires. Between them and on either side is the "floor" of the bridge, which may or may not be in good repair. It may also be a good 4-6 inches lower than the runners. So as you enter this dark tunnel on a bright sunshiny day you may find yourself suddenly lower than you expected to be with visions of dropping through to the stream below. Then you may find yourself waiting at the end of this dark tunnel for a passing motorist to help you lift your bike back up to the road surface... Or to run you over as they can't see coming in either.
Just an observation. It never happened to me.
Well, maybe once.
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Maryland doesn't allow lane-splitting. Just a theory, but maybe because people open their doors to drain their beverage cups or toss out their cigarette butts at an intersection and boom... motorcycle ride into a door. Nobody's happy about that!
Might be okay on the highways, but we have a LOT of big trucks out there and they always seem to be throwing re-treads and stones all around.
Now that I think about it, I think I'll just watch all around me, stay behind whatever's in front of me, then pass when it's safe!
John
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Pay attention! Don't let your mind wonder to the spat you had this morn with the OL or the price of grommets from China or anything. Pretend you are Marlon Brando... as alert and aware as you can get. In other words... try not to day dream or space out. Stay with the ride, make the ride the only thing that exists, and get into the 'HERE AND NOW' zone. ONLY THIS AND THIS ALONE IS HAPPENING! I doubt those guys riding the Isle of Mann are thinking about much more than the turn or take over they are in. We too need to be like that to survive. The ride is the ONLY thing happening. Stop and all kinds of stuff develops but to RIDE is to BE HERE NOW!!! Oh... and don't try to break any land speed records. Know your limit and ride within it.
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dont stop to close to the car in front,amazing how far they roll back be fore there aware 
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And it gives you maneuvering room to get out of there in case someone comes up behind too quick (but you gotta watch your mirrors).
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Saw a new rider come to a stop light where the road had a heavy grade leading left and downhill. It is a strange angle to stop at...but the guy put his left foot down first. This leaned the bike further to the left than expected and the guy dropped his bike as he couldn't handle the weight at that angle. He should have put his weight toward the right to counter the angle. Hope he learned something.
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Riding for 34 years maybe I can share a few thougts. Never drink if you are riding because if you are like me there is no such thing as only one. Wear good quality leather/protective gear It is the last thing between you and the unforgiving Earth(and yes one day you will come off) Never try to keep up,ride where you are happiest practise makes quicker,and nothing spoils a ride like a trip to hospital. Remember there are old Bikers and bold Bikers but precious few that are both Balders (a very old biker)
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Don't ride like a brit and you will live to see your grand children. 
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Hurling a bike round at breakneck speeds never killed anyone Falling off the buggers does the harm Balders
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Odds are you'll die from other causes, SO, party you're a5s off, ride like YOU want to, dress like YOU want to, do it ALL like YOU WANT TO, and enjoy it the way it is meant to be! If you can't enjoy it to the fullest, WHY do it?  (another VERY old biker)
And you may see me tonight
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Keep focused...my mind wanders and I forget my surroundings eventually leading to one of those "wow, just missed that hole in the road" moments.
Also, I always felt learning, understanding, and practicing countersteering was invaluable for me as I switched from dirt riding to roads many years ago. Saved my butt numerous times when i "wasn't focused" and approached turns much faster than my capabilities.
Keeping a large "buffer zone" around me is another thought flowing through my mind whilst riding. Tailgating at high speeds doesn't seem to wise.
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Thank's for advices.
I think I've understood most posts I read in this thread (have'nt read all yet, but I'll do) . I'ts usefull for me. I'll go find a closed parking asap to try some tips you wrote. (especially low manuvering and back breaking ).
If I could suggest one : Stay cool under any circumstances, don't be angry or inattentive at some other driver riding dangerously, slow down, keep your eyes open and be ready avoiding danger around you.
Personally, I ride as if I had my 3 years old baby as passenger. I want to see her growing... By the way, I often ride with my 16 years old baby and I want to see her growing too.
Road is not a joke!
I do not read/write english very well. Thank's to be patient.
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Awesome advice from some really old buggers,I mean experianced gentlemen.Thanks a bunch.
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Don't understand this one 
Unless you're refering to which side of the road to be on? 
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Steelheart- '03 Speedmaster Black/Yellow
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Hey Brian... I resurrected this again for ya!  I skimmed through the whole thread (again) and didn't see this one... don't for gawd sake ride like a maniac, newbie or oldie. (I tell myself this after every Kootenay RAT Rad.  )
Live to love, love to live.
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Hey Brian... I resurrected this again for ya!  I skimmed through the whole thread (again) and didn't see this one... don't for gawd sake ride like a maniac, newbie or oldie. (I tell myself this after every Kootenay RAT Rad. )
Great advice here.
As an old fart who learned to ride on a Yamaha 305 Sport in the 70s but hadn't ridden on the road for 30 years, riding the America is nearly starting over but for a few lessons remembered from the 305 and that piece of road gravel still under the skin of my left elbow reminding me to wear leather no matter how hot it is.
I read this thread start to finish, but saw no mention of the first safety item I added to the America - a headlight modulator that works on the daytime high beam. I use it in town traffic and flip it on along the road when I see a car with the potential to pull out in front of me, and I know from seeing a few other bikes on the road with one that it does get your attention.
If everyone used them, the effect would probably be diminished, but as a starting over newbie I think it helps me to ride safer while I am re-learning the other advice in this thread.
Phil in Northwest Arkansas
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Just a reminder that this thread is now on FaceBook too http://www.facebook.com/OperationSavANewbie
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Good to have more exposure to this.
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When you have a blow out of the rear tire at 65mph, go easy on the front brake, the more you squeeze it the more you fishtail. Having experience controlling a slide on snow and ice (in a car, DUH) seems to help you with the sensation and keep control.
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Exactly one month ago today, I bought my '02 Cardinal Red and Silver. I had never been on a bike in my life, but it was so beautiful! I couldn't help myself.
I've been creeping this forum ever since, and with the advice here and a couple of local Norton riders, I got my full licence today. I've got a lot to learn yet, and I suspect I'll learn a lot from here.
So to all of you who have posted great tips and advice...thanks a million. I've got almost 2000kms on already, and I hope to hit 20,000 by the end of the season here. All of them safe, and enjoyable.
Enjoy your ride!
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Let me start with a warning, this links to some less than pleasant photographs of some ones mistake with a motorcycle. It is a few years old and likely has been seen by many, but for the new rider or bike owner, it is a warning that these machines are like power tools, if your not 100% sure what your doing is correct, ask a question or take it to someone to do for you. There is no reason to have the engine running while youāre touching the chain. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242261
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Hey Brian... I resurrected this again for ya!  I skimmed through the whole thread (again) and didn't see this one... don't for gawd sake ride like a maniac, newbie or oldie. (I tell myself this after every Kootenay RAT Rad. )
Great advice here.
As an old fart who learned to ride on a Yamaha 305 Sport in the 70s but hadn't ridden on the road for 30 years, riding the America is nearly starting over but for a few lessons remembered from the 305 and that piece of road gravel still under the skin of my left elbow reminding me to wear leather no matter how hot it is.
I read this thread start to finish, but saw no mention of the first safety item I added to the America - a headlight modulator that works on the daytime high beam. I use it in town traffic and flip it on along the road when I see a car with the potential to pull out in front of me, and I know from seeing a few other bikes on the road with one that it does get your attention.
If everyone used them, the effect would probably be diminished, but as a starting over newbie I think it helps me to ride safer while I am re-learning the other advice in this thread.
I put one on my Speedie after someone crossed my path to make a T-off time. It makes you much more visible just remember to turn it off cops will pull you over and try and give you a ticket siting an alternating headlight rule. If it is a normal cop car you can point out that in fact it's lights are alternating right left and yours is modulating. Only emergency vehicles can have alternating lights.
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I'm guessing most of these great tips apply to both single and double riding, but being a newbie with about 800 miles experience on our 2005 Bonneville America we got back in Oct 2012, (my first street bike) just wondering if there are specific tips to consider when operating a bike and riding double as a newbie? My wife has probably thousands of miles as a passenger and I really cannot tell she is there, but I'm very aware of the potential consequences if I make a mistake and I'd love to see more tips that may apply to riding double. We did take the beginners motorcycle safety course together at the local college and have already safely handled a car backing out in front of us and a pesky groundhog that timed his road crossing perfectly for being in my lane when I got there, but I realize this is just the beginning and I will take any suggestions that may better prepare me for safely riding double. Just an FYI, the whole motorcycle thing was my wife's idea, but since she supports my ATV addiction, I went along with this, but now I'm hooked thoroughly! We've met a lot of great people and had a blast so far.
We completed our first ride in a group a couple weeks ago and had a very fun experience on that 120 mile trip. The info from the safety course has been a real eye opener, but nothing like hearing from those who do this every day! I'll keep digging through your posts and thanks for looking out for us!
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The first thing I'd say about riding double is: is your passenger also new at this or experienced? If they're new, make sure to talk about what's going to happen first. (hold on this way/lean with me/a couple simple hand signals) I prefer to back up the bike solo & then have my passenger get on. Hold the front brake on while they're getting on. Makes it more stable. Be more gentle with the gas/brakes/manuvering. Remember you take longer to brake than normal. Make your passenger's first few rides short ones. If they finish the ride happy/thrilled instead of scared, they'll want another ride soon! 
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Come on folks, lest not scare 'em off...it's good fun too out there Al
Last edited by moe; 08/06/2013 8:07 AM.
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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Sometimes a carefully administered dose of fear has a prophylactic effect.
Went through the whole thread, noticed this missing, or maybe I overlooked it: When you're going down a road with left or right side roads or a crossover, and there's a vehicle sitting at or pulling up to the stop sign I ALWAYS assume the vehicle WILL pull out in my path. I slow down, cover the controls, look for an escape route, even if it means looking for a soft spot on the side of the car. This happens to me half the times I ride. Usually the cager pulls up to a stop sign real fast, head goes back and forth like an owl, and if they have a dang cell phone stuck to their head also you can just about bet they WILL pull right out in front of ya! Always try to make eye contact-there's no guarantee this works, but at least you know that they do see you, but still be on guard. (had a lady starin' right at me once and she waited 'til I was right on her 'fore she pulls out and my front wheel stopped just at her driver door) These folks are yakkin' away and thinkin' about what to fix for little Bubba's dang burfday party and YOU IS INVISIBLE!
A cell phone on the head is a sign to beware- sorta like teeth and claws on a panther.
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Good stuff Wade. I would add there's now a danger worse than the cell phone glued to the head. And that's texting or reading Facebook while driving. I see this more commonly now than talking on the cellphone (which is illegal here). You can tell because the head is slightly tilted down as they hold the phone where you (and so the cops) can't see it. They will glance up every few seconds but most of their gaze/attention is on the phone. Not surprisingly this is mostly young females (I said mostly) and in my opinion is much more dangerous than driving drunk, but they think its ok obviously. My strategies to guard against these potential murderers is to cover the controls (brake, horn, clutch) flick on my headlight modulator which usually gets their attention from their peripheral vision. I have a very loud horn I don't hesitate to use (but you can scare them into doing something impulsive) and assume they are going to be homocidal/suicidal.  rant completed 
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Well said, Richard. I'm amazed at the things folks do in their cars while driving. Hauling asphalt around Atlanta in my dump truck I've seen: (and this is in heavy traffic on an interstate highway at 65+) - a man engrossed in his newspaper spread all over the dash of his Towncar - a lady with the visor/mirror down with a full spread of eye makeup going on WITH an eyelash clamp - a man shaving his stupid face in the mirror - a TOTAL office all over the seat and lap in a Mercedes coupe with a laptop open on the steering wheel AND talking on the phone while driving and typing on the computer. - and that's just a sample of the stuff folks will do in the car. Why the heck can't they just get up 15 minutes earlier and do that stuff AT HOME !!
It's scary out there, folks.
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If the Govt is going to force upon us black boxes in our cars, they might as well add texting jammers to the lot.
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THIS IDEA is ABSOLUTELY A-F'IN-MASING!!! 
ABSOLUTELY!!! WHY NOT, and it should be easy to do.
RYK FOR PRESIDENT! 
Seriously, BRILLIANT! 
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This is nothing new. I can remember 8-track players in the glovebox & drivers leaning waaaay over while driving to change a tape or mess w/ the player... It's the same ol' Stupid, just a new version. I have turned this into a Facebook page & I tell the Newbies the #1 save-yer-butt tip is: KEEP YOUR HEAD ON A SWIVEL!!! The sooner you see it, the better you can deal with it.
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Agreed its not new, but finding a tape or fiddling with the stereo would be a short-lived (pun intended) distraction but the texting or Facebook stupids are doiing it their whole trip.
I seriously considered mounting a medium range jammer on the bike but finally decided it would probably make their distraction worse as they fiddled to regain their lost signal/connection.
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Total newbie here. Less than 150 miles on my first cruiser-2006 America.And have read all 16 pages of advice. Thanks for the info./insight/advice posted here.I just want to be as safe as possible, and am scheduled to take the MSF course in the next month. Hope this thread keeps going with the education. Cheers!
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Welcome Blueford ! If you pass the MSF course, most insurers will give you a 10 or 15 percent discount on the bike. But it has to be an accredited course.
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Not going to read through the whole thread again but anything metal, manhole covers, open grate bridges etc can be very slippery especially when wet. Painted road markings are also very slippery in the wet, leaves too.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains. Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
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The best advice that can be given is wear sunscreen. Make liberal use of it, and dri k lots of water, clear clean and preferably cool. If you do that you so not get sunburn which can happen even in cold weather, and you will not dehydrate. Both of which are horrible and you do not want, at all.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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If you are going a distance in hot weather, baby wipes will stave off monkeybutt, if you let yourself get rashed, the ride isn't much fun. Chad is right on about the sunscreen, I let my arms get sun and wind burnt in S Dakota, they looked like they caught on fire and was extinguished with a friggin rake.
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Hasn't rained in a while and then it does stay off heavily trafficed streets if you must drive during the rain. They get Real slick when wet before the grime has a chance to wash off. Today coming back from the International Plowing Match we came in to Ottawa on Bank St/highway 31, at a traffic light in the south of the city I put my feet down on dry pavement and my boots wanted to slide out from under me.
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Wear all the gear all the time. Some idiot just down the street can hit you just like some idiot far from home. I've been down twice in forty years and both times the hide I left behind came off a cow instead of me.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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when I started to ride, about two years ago I found this forum and I read all postings about Operation Sav-A-Newbie. What a great advice for us as new riders. I can only emphasizes about getting a Motorcycle safety course and using proper gear. keep riding and be safe.
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Did anyone advise newbies on deer whistles?
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I've noticed we have members whose first bike is an America or a Speedmaster. I learned on a 3hp mini-bike so the idea of a 120mph 'learner' is a little shocking to me. Since the rest of us have a bazillion years experience combined, I thought a thread like would help turn newbies into oldbies. What's your best Save A$$ advice? I have three:
1.Practice,practice,practice- And I don't mean slow and gentle either! An emergency situation is not the place to discover the limits of performance. Go to a mall parking lot (when it's closed) and find out how hard you can brake before the wheel locks up. Find out how hard you can accelerate from a dead stop. Try it in the rain too. You don't have to go crazy, but you need to find this stuff out.
2.Let the cagers know you're watching them- It's amazing the effect turning your head and staring at the guy waiting to make a left in front of you has. Also turning around and looking at the car pulling up behind you at a stoplight. Like a little kid who realizes daddy's watching, they behave a little better.
3.Keep one eye on the mirror while braking. Braking a little harder and a little later also reduces your chance of being rear-ended.
I'm one of those running before walking types, I'm afraid. And these tips are fantastic, all of them, thanks to all of you. One problem in the UK (tis where I am) is that it's almost impossible to find empty parking lots that aren't gated off after-hours. (I think it might be a liability issue.) You don't know how lucky you 'mericans are with your vast parking lots and wide roads! It's going to be my first bike-travel destination! 
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Ok....my top tip for UK is similar to above....before pulling out onto a road try to get eye contact with any approaching driver....not always possible but I find it helps to register you on their neural pathways. Which reminds me...once wrote a short magazine article on the above subject....if I can find it, I'll cut n paste a copy on this thread.
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Did anyone advise newbies on deer whistles?
Please don't take this personal. Deer Whistles do not work, if they did, Insurance Companies would lobby the lawmakers to include them as standard equipment on every motor vehicle produced. That's who you can credit for seat belt equipped cars being the law and a fine for not wearing them as well. I wish they did work, I'd be sporting two of them, 'cause I'm here to tell you, hitting Bambi hurts like Hell, if it doesn't kill you outright. Doesn't do your bike much good either.
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