 Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
I while back someone posted pretty much every outfit that big engine mods, one was in FL and had a program where you could just ship them the engine. I can't seem to find the post. Does this ring a bell with anyone?
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,493 Likes: 6
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,493 Likes: 6 |
'04' Black America
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
Neither of those two links are what I was talking about, thanks though
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432 Likes: 1
Worn Saddle
|
|
Worn Saddle
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432 Likes: 1 |
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,728 Likes: 5
Should be Riding
|
|
Should be Riding
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,728 Likes: 5 |
I worked with Bill Gately at bonnevilleperformance.com, he shipped the sleeved cylinder and piston kit to me and I shipped the stock cylinders back after I swapped them out. I can't say he won't have a core charge, but he didn't make me pay one.
Always remember to be yourself. Unless you suck. Then pretend to be someone else.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
Quote:
I worked with Bill Gately at bonnevilleperformance.com, he shipped the sleeved cylinder and piston kit to me and I shipped the stock cylinders back after I swapped them out. I can't say he won't have a core charge, but he didn't make me pay one.
my problem is, if i do this upgrade, who i can get locally to do the work...our local stealership is NOT an option.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
Question, to those who have had these upgrades done. i know our engines to be pretty much bulletproof stock, can the same be said after these mods?
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432 Likes: 1
Worn Saddle
|
|
Worn Saddle
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 6,432 Likes: 1 |
Quote:
my problem is, if i do this upgrade, who i can get locally to do the work...our local stealership is NOT an option.
You can pull the motor yourself and ship it to Gately and pay the $500 flat rate to have the big bore installed. That's at the very bottom of the page on that link.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
Quote:
Quote:
my problem is, if i do this upgrade, who i can get locally to do the work...our local stealership is NOT an option.
You can pull the motor yourself and ship it to Gately and pay the $500 flat rate to have the big bore installed. That's at the very bottom of the page on that link.
actually, Bill's brother live right here in MD and i already scheduled everything for Nov. thanks !!! 
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,671 Likes: 15
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,671 Likes: 15 |
Hey, good luck with the BB build, & let us know how it turns out.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 326
Adjunct
|
|
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 326 |
30,000km with minenow and no problems what so ever, seems to be getting stronger  Nick
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 28
Greenhorn
|
|
Greenhorn
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 28 |
12000 kms since mine was done in March.
Runs like a train and still get 250+ before reserve.
Zen would ride a Triumph
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726 |
I went with D&D Cycles (Pensacola, FL) kit. They swap your barrels for bored nickelsil ones that are essentially just like factory ones but larger. The kit has either the Wiseco pistons or ones that are slightly higher compression. I went with the Wiseco ones.
I feel the longevity of the engine is no different that stock although I ended up putting in slightly stiffer clutch springs. The additional torque might have been tougher on the clutch, but it had 22,000 miles on it when I replaced the plates and springs.
Bob
2005 America, 904cc - sold. 2014 Trophy SE.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,726 |
Here is a link to D&D Cycles (Pensacola, FL) performance kits: D&D performance
Bob
2005 America, 904cc - sold. 2014 Trophy SE.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55 |
The D&D kit seems to be the same as the TPUSA kit, only cheaper. The CR's available are different & the TP kit comes with clutch springs, but even when added to the D&D kit it still comes in cheaper.
Any reason why?
TPUSA cams are cheaper though...
S.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15 |
Quote:
The D&D kit seems to be the same as the TPUSA kit, only cheaper. The CR's available are different & the TP kit comes with clutch springs, but even when added to the D&D kit it still comes in cheaper.
Any reason why?
TPUSA cams are cheaper though...
S.
I am pretty happy with the D&D kit and the people there are very helpful with any questions.
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55 |
I see you've got 12:1 pistons! Pretty high CR isn't it? What gas do you use?
How is the power with those?
S.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15 |
Quote:
I see you've got 12:1 pistons! Pretty high CR isn't it? What gas do you use?
How is the power with those?
S.
I use 93 octane. I had to retard the timing (via the pick up sensor) by 8.25 degrees. Backing up the timning was probably good for an extra 5 hp or so. The bike really is a lot of fun, once you crack that throttle, hang on!
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55 |
Quote:
I use 93 octane. I had to retard the timing (via the pick up sensor) by 8.25 degrees. Backing up the timning was probably good for an extra 5 hp or so. The bike really is a lot of fun, once you crack that throttle, hang on!
Can you elaborate on retarding the timing? I've got a pieman module so would I still be able to do it?
S.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15 |
it would still work with the pieman module. The pickup head itself is moved relative to the flywheel. Prior to retarding the timing I had some issues with knock on hot days or with lower octane gas. The idea was suggested by D&D as they had similar issues with their turbo charged bikes. the picture shows the retarded pick up head. 
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55 |
Interesting. Is it just a case of loosening off the sensor & then moving it over? How do you tell when you are at 8 degrees?
S.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15 |
Quote:
Interesting. Is it just a case of loosening off the sensor & then moving it over? How do you tell when you are at 8 degrees?
S.
yes and no. it is as simple as moving the sensor over, and no because as it is layed out from the factory the sensor can only be moved about half a degree.
in the previously posted picture (look closely) you can see there is an adapter under the pickup head, that is what is setting the timing.
I can post a drawing of the timing adapter if you wanted to make one up for yourself. or, If you can view acad file I could PM one.
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 55 |
I've got Autocad. I'd love a copy if you dont mind
S.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15 |
Quote:
I've got Autocad. I'd love a copy if you dont mind
S.
(oops)it appears that I cannot attach a file to this forums PM. It you would PM me your actual email address I will gladly send you the drawing.
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,063 Likes: 8
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,063 Likes: 8 |
Micah,
I'd appreciate it if you could post a simple drawing of the adapter plate. Probably could go in the tech vault.
12 Rocket Roadster
03 Bonneville America
69 BSA Firebird Scrambler
73 Yamaha TX 750
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,174 Likes: 15 |
Quote:
Micah,
I'd appreciate it if you could post a simple drawing of the adapter plate. Probably could go in the tech vault.
drawing of adatper with parts list
drawing of flywheel timing diagram for 270 degree motor/ pick up head.
this adapter should work the same on a 360 motor but I have not tried it.
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,063 Likes: 8
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,063 Likes: 8 |
Thanks Micah,
Much appreciated.
12 Rocket Roadster
03 Bonneville America
69 BSA Firebird Scrambler
73 Yamaha TX 750
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
Ok, so I have bill gatelys brother Steve doing my big bore kit. I am very impressed so far, these guys are triumph alchemists. With the the addition of the air box removal, big bore kit, and bigger front sprocket, I also needed a preformance clutch kit, in that the the new torque output slips the standard clutch at around 4.5 rpm in 4th gear!! Oh yeah, daddy like!
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,647
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 2,647 |
So jealous. I really want a 904 but i'm poor. 
06 America 904
|
|
|
 Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,626
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,626 |
What are you guys' opinions on the Plated all-aluminum cylinder vs the Iron-sleeved one? 
Steelheart- '03 Speedmaster Black/Yellow
The Hayabusa Killa
16" Shorties/140 mains/Airbox drilled
Procom CDI
"There is no cure for Celibacy. But we can treat the symptoms."
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 5,720
Check Pants
|
|
Check Pants
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 5,720 |
You can always have the plated upper, rebored and sleeved, when and or if you manage to wear it out. Heard nothing but positive things as to the longevity of Nikosil plated pistons and bores. There is a small advantage to not running a sleeve, and that is the upper cools a little more efficiently due to the better transfer of heat via the homogeneous construction. Quite a few properties of steel and aluminum alloy are different. Especially concerning temps. (disclaimer)IMHO
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,728 Likes: 5
Should be Riding
|
|
Should be Riding
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 10,728 Likes: 5 |
Mine is steel sleeved and runs about 190-215º consistently. I have flogged mine with the 904 for almost 20,000 miles and it's stronger now than when it was fresh.
Always remember to be yourself. Unless you suck. Then pretend to be someone else.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,531
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,531 |
Quote:
Mine is steel sleeved and runs about 190-215º consistently. I have flogged mine with the 904 for almost 20,000 miles and it's stronger now than when it was fresh.
+1
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 79
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 79 |
Quote:
Ok, so I have bill gatelys brother Steve doing my big bore kit. I am very impressed so far, these guys are triumph alchemists. With the the addition of the air box removal, big bore kit, and bigger front sprocket, I also needed a preformance clutch kit, in that the the new torque output slips the standard clutch at around 4.5 rpm in 4th gear!! Oh yeah, daddy like!
Say, I was wondering if you'd had any other mods..i.e.exhaust/air, and or carb rejetting. I've got the 904 and stage 1 cam, (D&D kit), with SS long cannons and Uni air filter w/bellmouth, have been playing with jets for best performance and can't quite get what I'm after. Torque is good, but can't find ponies. I also have a procom igniter that I'm thinking of setting up once I get the fuels delivery thing together. maybe airbox removal? Dyno shop? any input would be appreciated. thanks
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
just got my bike back from gately, mother of God!!!! the diff is significant. i will go into detail about it later, and what mods i have. right now i have to go thaw out, i had it up to 110 with plenty left over.
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
Quote:
Quote:
Ok, so I have bill gatelys brother Steve doing my big bore kit. I am very impressed so far, these guys are triumph alchemists. With the the addition of the air box removal, big bore kit, and bigger front sprocket, I also needed a preformance clutch kit, in that the the new torque output slips the standard clutch at around 4.5 rpm in 4th gear!! Oh yeah, daddy like!
Say, I was wondering if you'd had any other mods..i.e.exhaust/air, and or carb rejetting. I've got the 904 and stage 1 cam, (D&D kit), with SS long cannons and Uni air filter w/bellmouth, have been playing with jets for best performance and can't quite get what I'm after. Torque is good, but can't find ponies. I also have a procom igniter that I'm thinking of setting up once I get the fuels delivery thing together. maybe airbox removal? Dyno shop? any input would be appreciated. thanks
ok, the mods:
wiseco big bore kit (904) from bonnieville preformance
jet and pins came with the kit
air box
front spocket change out for the...18 tooth? 19 tooth? can't remember, one tooth up from stock
sceptre pipes
bonnie pro racing clutch and springs (mind you this is my only beef with the set up is that it is a total pita to hit nuteral right now, i have been told this will loosen up over time (which the original clutch did, so i assume it will)
to semi quote FJ, it runs like a raped ape, with a scalded cat on its back.
HOWEVER, if even after all that the bike does not have enough bang for you (don't see how because mine truely intimidated me a tad and i have been riding since i was 8) you can get HSR Mikuni Flat back Carburetors his (gately's) son has ONLY the carbs on his t100 race bike and thing is NUTZ. 
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 18,825
"Lighten up, Francis."
|
|
"Lighten up, Francis."
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 18,825 |
Are you running stock carbs?
I'm going to guess around $3-4000 for everything listed?
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379
Adjunct
|
|
OP
Adjunct
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 379 |
yes, stock carbs. the 904 kit was roughly 1000.00 the air box kit was 250, clutch was 150 and labor for all was 450...i already had the pipes and the sprocket. but the pipes were 600...so rougly 2500 total i think the carbs are 1200 but they propbably would have changed me the same price for labor (really cheap)
|
|
|
Re: Big bore kits question
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 18,825
"Lighten up, Francis."
|
|
"Lighten up, Francis."
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 18,825 |
That's not bad at all. I wouldn't use them, of course, but I've considered the 904 upgrade.
|
|
|
|
|
