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In 1908, a Canadian fellow by the name of Peter L. Robertson came up with a better screw, commonly known (in Canada at least) as the Robertson screw. The design was superior in many ways to the slotted screw and quickly revolutionized an industry. For one reason or another the design never left Canada until recent years and so I'm wondering... wondering if any of our members here throughout the world have heard of, or are using the Robertson screw.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver#Robertson
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My Canadian made RoadTrek has them. Was a B trying to find a screwdriver here to remove the window screens. Harbor Freight to the rescue (again).
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Your kidding, right?
Being a carpenter by trade, I've used these (we call them sure lock or square lock head) screws for over three decades in Florida.
Commonly come in a #1, 2, or 3 head. Also come in "finish" screws with a tiny, #1 head for trim.
The preferred head.
The bits for these screws come in ALL bit assortments I've ever seen.
Are you referring to some OTHER feature of the screw?
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I gotta agree with Mr. Earl on this one, I've been screwing decks with those things for years.......Dang I need a girlfriend!
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Never knew they where called Robertson Screws, I just call them square head screws, practically the only wood screw I use! http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stor...ocStoreNum=2615
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Nope, not kidding Erle. When I worked on a construction job down your way near Tampa in... oh, what was it... somewhere in the early 70s, no one was using them. Safe to say by your response they've shown up on hardware shelves since then.
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I gotta agree with Mr. Earl on this one, I've been screwing decks with those things for years.......Dang I need a girlfriend!
Well Robert, for your sake, I sure hope when ya DO finally find a girlfriend that she ends up bein' a little more into the "Robert screw method" than the "RobertSON screw method"...if ya know what I mean!!! 
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Now you've got me thinking about the screws used in travel trailers back in the 60's, before they went to the hex heads. They were sort of a figure 8 shape. Anybody remember those - or what they were called?
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Clutch heads 
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We (in my company) call them fixture screws. We curse them only when we don't have the "square" bit to fit them.
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They have been commonly used in camper and RV construction for as long as I can remember and much much longer here in the US. I have never used them on a deck but they are readily available for that purpose at hardware stores here. I always used phillips head screws for decks. I even have an automatic screw gun for that purpose that takes clips of phillips screws. Never heard of them being called Robertson either.
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The story goes that Mr Robertson licenced the manufacture of his invention to a French firm who tried to drive him out of business. He regained ownership of the devise but then got gun shy of others so refused to licence it again to his folly. Too bad, it beats the heck out of most other drive patterns for general usage. http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Ontario/robertson_screws.htm
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The story goes that Mr Robertson licenced the manufacture of his invention to a French firm who tried to drive him out of business. He regained ownership of the devise but then got gun shy of others so refused to licence it again to his folly. Too bad, it beats the heck out of most other drive patterns for general usage. http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Ontario/robertson_screws.htm
Sounds like he was paranoid... I wonder what caused that 
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Your kidding, right?
Being a carpenter by trade, I've used these (we call them sure lock or square lock head) screws for over three decades in Florida.
Commonly come in a #1, 2, or 3 head. Also come in "finish" screws with a tiny, #1 head for trim.
The preferred head.
The bits for these screws come in ALL bit assortments I've ever seen.
Are you referring to some OTHER feature of the screw?
this would have been my exact answer too, except for the being old part in Florida 
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Been screwing sub-floors down with the screw pictured for 2 decades.
For the last decade I have been screwing composite decking down with button head screws with the square slot.
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Okay... so now I know the Robertson screw infiltrated the US, but I am curious about other parts of the world such as Europe or Australia. I was having a related conversation with a friend I'm working with on a renovation project. We both wondered where beyond our borders this screw type is being used. Would love to hear from all you guys outside N. America!
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The Dog is right, these have been used for years in the conversion van industry since early 70's.
Also remember seeing them in RV interiors.
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Kreg pocket screws are all square drive as are most siding screws. Senco drivers normally come with a #2 phillips and a #2 square bit.
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Your kidding, right?
Being a carpenter by trade, I've used these (we call them sure lock or square lock head) screws for over three decades in Florida.
Commonly come in a #1, 2, or 3 head. Also come in "finish" screws with a tiny, #1 head for trim.
The preferred head.
The bits for these screws come in ALL bit assortments I've ever seen.
Are you referring to some OTHER feature of the screw?
this would have been my exact answer too, except for the being old part in Florida
The word "old" NEVER showed up in MY post! 
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The story goes that Mr Robertson licenced the manufacture of his invention to a French firm who tried to drive him out of business. He regained ownership of the devise but then got gun shy of others so refused to licence it again to his folly. Too bad, it beats the heck out of most other drive patterns for general usage. http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Ontario/robertson_screws.htm
Soooo, I guess it was Robertson who got screwed. 
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I've never seen them in the UK - it's mostly Phillips or Pozidrive screws over here
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Yep they are available downunda. Though I only found out about them yesterday.
My son just replaced the railings and pickets on his back verandah, and he was telling me about these screws. He chose them because they were powdercoated and looked the deal for use in his application.
The most difficult task he faced was lining the sockets up to give a neat finish.
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When I bought this house 13 years ago that was the first time I seen them used, had to go get a driver for them, and that was not easy to find. even alot of hex bit sets over here still dont have them. they are more popular now.
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Okay... so they're starting to show up in parts outside N. America. That's what I was wondering...
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The story goes that Mr Robertson licenced the manufacture of his invention to a French firm who tried to drive him out of business. He regained ownership of the devise but then got gun shy of others so refused to licence it again to his folly. Too bad, it beats the heck out of most other drive patterns for general usage. http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Ontario/robertson_screws.htm
Sounds like he was paranoid... I wonder what caused that
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not really out to get you.
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not really out to get you.
I used to have a T shirt that said that, I used to wear it with my tin foil hat.
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Yep they are available downunda. Though I only found out about them yesterday.
My son just replaced the railings and pickets on his back verandah, and he was telling me about these screws. He chose them because they were powdercoated and looked the deal for use in his application.
The most difficult task he faced was lining the sockets up to give a neat finish.
Wow, now that is attention to detail..... 
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The story goes that Mr Robertson licenced the manufacture of his invention to a French firm who tried to drive him out of business. He regained ownership of the devise but then got gun shy of others so refused to licence it again to his folly. Too bad, it beats the heck out of most other drive patterns for general usage. http://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/Ontario/robertson_screws.htm
Reminds me of Robert Kearns and his intermittent wipers. Coming up with a great idea is only half the battle. You then have to find someone to market it and possibly defend your property in court. I can see why Mr. Robertson became a little gun shy.
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