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Some of you may be aware of the proposals being put forward by the 'faceless ones' in Brussels. Not all bad, of course, but these stick in the throat a bit. Compulsory wearing of 'dayglo' vests for all bikers. A ban on GPS software advertising speed camera locations. Massive new rear number plates. (8" x 10.5") Virtually no modifications to bikes allowed. Home servicing to be outlawed. Special bolts on exhausts to prevent changes (they've never heard of angle-grinders) ECU's to be sealed units. European limit of 100bhp. A ban on all bikes over 7 years old entering cities (I kid you not) etc, etc. Crazy, crazy world. We had a national protest day in France last month over these proposals and over 100,000 bike riders were out there. The next one will be even larger. Rider organisations are pushing for better safety equipment, boots, gloves etc but this is falling on deaf ears. Some protesters went naked apart from a helmet and dayglo vest just to demonstrate how stupid some of these proposals are 
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tis indeed a crazy situation.mag and its european counterparts are doin all they can on th lobbyin front,but i think more protests in the capitols n cities is called for.these fekin idiots wont be happy till all powered two weelers are off th road.fight,fight,fight. 
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Probably have some a$$ pointing out that you could see those naked riders very well so the vest was a good idea and that is why they didn't get hurt!
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How ridiculous. I would leave the country if they made those changes. What a bunch of tossers. 
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unfortunatley it aint one country,its th fekin european union that passes all these stupid rules on to everbody else,all in th name of health n safety.arse.
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unfortunatley it aint one country,its th fekin european union that passes all these stupid rules on to everbody else,all in th name of health n safety.arse.
The all powerful nincompoops are active in a lot of countries these days...Hard to tell where it will end, but I'm hoping I don't live long enough to see the end result...can anybody say...VIVA the REVOLUTION!
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This reminds me a lot of Kathy's thread, "Absolutely unbelievable" up in the lounge. When is enough, enough? Mahatma Gandhi exercised 'passive resistance' which was brilliant and WORKED! I'm up for a little o' that, if THAT'S what's needed!!
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When recently posed the question, "Are you optimistic for the future of motorcycling?" world renowned motorcycle designer Glynn Kerr said... "Bikes will continue to get better, but our freedom to enjoy them is gradually being diminished." http://www.bikeexif.com/glynn-kerr?utm_s...%28Bike+EXIF%29
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unfortunatley it aint one country,its th fekin european union that passes all these stupid rules on to everbody else,all in th name of health n safety.arse.
"Fekin European Union" - I think you got that right - F-E-U-dalism.
Disclaimer: This was not an attempt at a political post but an apt description to a tendency that seems to replicate patterns from medieval times.
I just love history too. 
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unfortunatley it aint one country,its th fekin european union that passes all these stupid rules on to everbody else,all in th name of health n safety.arse.
"Fekin European Union" - I think you got that right - F-E-U-dalism.
Disclaimer: This was not an attempt at a political post but an apt description to a tendency that seems to replicate patterns from medieval times.
I just love history too.
Ah the joys of European integration. Funny how even the "Totalitarians" of European history were much less invasive than the bureaucrats of Brussels.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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unfortunatley it aint one country,its th fekin european union that passes all these stupid rules on to everbody else,all in th name of health n safety.arse.
"Fekin European Union" - I think you got that right - F-E-U-dalism.
Disclaimer: This was not an attempt at a political post but an apt description to a tendency that seems to replicate patterns from medieval times.
I just love history too.
Ah the joys of European integration. Funny how even the "Totalitarians" of European history were much less invasive than the bureaucrats of Brussels.
Yeah, maybe so Larry, but maybe the good thing here is that there doesn't seem to be any Dachaus, Treblinkas or Auschwitzes bein' run by any ["I vas jus' following orders"] burcracrats THIS time around. 
Now THOSE were what one "might" call more than a little "invasive" for "a few" folks...like maybe 6 milliion folks, by some estimates!
(...yep, like Thanassis, I know MY History, TOO!!!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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... bein' run by any ["I vas jus' following orders"] burcracrats THIS time around.
The modern version is "I am just covering my ass and creating BS legislation just to appear to be doing something and justify my job".
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... one "might" call more than a little "invasive" for "a few" folks...like maybe 6 milliion folks, by some estimates!
And that was just the Jewish people.
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The point is that there will soon be nothing the bureaucrats will not control. Here in the US they have banned incandescent light bulbs, decent flush toilets, smoking in bars, spanking your own kids and a million other things. In Europe bureaucrats have injected themselves into everything, without even the bothering to have elections to get a mandate. Nothing is too small or too personal to escape their grasping attention. By the time most people realize they have lost all their choices to the whims of busy body bureaucrats and nanny state politicians we really will be living in a totalitarian regime.
CS Lewis said best: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
Everyone has the right to be foolish. As soon as we take that away we will all have to behave according to someone else's definition of sensible. Who would YOU trust to make those decisions. In Europe that self appointed army is headquartered in Brussels. Here in the US they are mainly in Washington and, as CS Lewis said, they never stop.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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That's right Dwight. This time it's a softer gentler tyranny. They won't kill you. they'll just regulate your entire life. All for your own good of course.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I have always said I like no smoking in public places but I don't like the gov't forcing that. I feel something like that should be up to the OWNER of the property. That is just a specific example of a much larger problem. Always burned me up that I own property but have to pay rent(tax) on it to the gov't to keep it.If I don't pay they take what I OWN. Doesn't sound much like ownership to me. I could go on but I have to go to work! 
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That's right Dwight. This time it's a softer gentler tyranny. They won't kill you. they'll just regulate your entire life. All for your own good of course.
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Who is Tom Jefferson? he a member here?
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I denied his registration. 
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I denied his registration.
Yeah Ian, we'll have NONE of that "pursuit of happiness" crap around HERE, boy!!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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we got any idea if this is still going forward?
Quick! There's time 2B Wasted! :-P
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we got any idea if this is still going forward?
It still seems to be - MAG ( Motorcycle Action Group) are organising another demo in June
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If it passes I think my life would lose all meaning...
Quick! There's time 2B Wasted! :-P
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There's a Demo near you http://www.facebook.com/events/365092060221528/The more the merrier. The way it keeps getting put back is encouraging, but the pressure needs to be maintained
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we got any idea if this is still going forward?
It still seems to be - MAG ( Motorcycle Action Group) are organising another demo in June
Link to the map
West Midlands MAG organising a demo in July too :
2012 Brum Demo
Saturday 7th July 2012
meet from 12 noon for a 1pm start at
the Hare and Hounds, Lickey road, Rednal B45 8UU
or ride with us from the Heart of England Rally
(Saturday night camping and access to the Heart of England Rally after the demo ride available for £6 per person )
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we got any idea if this is still going forward?
Not knowing where in Kernow you are, you need to get up to Exeter chap
"You can't believe everything you read on the internet" : William Shakespeare
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