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I was just kinda wondering, how many members here are members with the AMA. I have been a member off and on for many yrs and am likeing the new look and structure of the org. anybody else??


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Me too. Joined in '03 when I bought the America.
I like their magazine and all they do for motorcycling.


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Present.
They do good works for riders, it pays to be a member.


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They rock, I am also a member of the MMA here in MA. These organizations do a great job representing us. Just recently the MMA was instrumental in crushing proposed legislation in NH looking to institute a helmet law and to force all riders to run exhaust with EPA labels. MMA actually went to NH to protect our riders who wander over the border regularly. Safety in numbers!


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I believe if you sign up online, AMA may have a free stranded motorist service now too, that may extend to all the member's vehicles? Can't remember, and too lazy to go to their web site.

We sure need somebody in our corner to try and knock back the oddball laws & bills that get introduced. It seems a few of our elected officials love to spend time on graba-- issues, like putting outriggers on motorcycles, and then ignore what is important, like - an economy swirling the bowl. (Remember when we actually used to do things in this country, like build hydro power plants , highways & schools to put people to work? Can't do that now - somebody might get mad or fall down & get hurt.)

AMA's getting us access to the diamond / commuter lanes was worth whatever I've paid them, even if I rarely use that type of lane. It's good for all of us, and probably wouldn't have happened without them. When in diamond lane country however, I ride it just because --- I can.

To the best of my understanding, NYC is the last and only commuter lane problem area for motorcycles. NYC is its own country when it comes to traffic laws anyway. All other states and cities are apparently now on board.

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Now, I'm off in a snow storm to fix a diesel fuel dispenser pump with no canopy, that's broken due to driver abuse. (whine, moan, bi---)
Yay!

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OK, I'm in. Been procrastinating (my special talent) for a while, but I just gave them my $39.

Might decide to let my AAA lapse since AMA seems to also cover cars and RVs (if you sign up for auto-renew).

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The free roadside is for any vehicle you are in including motorhomes. And for yous Sallys, trailers too. You only get it if you give em a crcrd # and okay them to take your $39 yrly.

I'm a member. Best thing they did recently was the sale of the AMA racing series to Daytona Motorsports. The AMA is getting back to their roots. Three years ago I almost told em to fork off. Rob Dingman is why I stayed with the AMA.


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moe #378105 02/26/2010 9:56 PM
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When I got my insurance from Nationwide they gave me a discount for being a member of AMA, then they gave me the AMA membership for the first year. I liked it and have kept it up and I get the insurance discount every year.


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I'm a charter life member. Joined so i could enter AMA sanctioned off road events and stayed with them for more than 30 years now

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I joined a little over a year ago. The road side assistance is a great deal.

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I've been with AMA for 12 years,no complaints.
you also get discounts from many on line vendors. Just bought a tire from BikeBandit.com, the discount brought the price down to $100. for a Metzeler Front tire.
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Yeah Steve?!

Well, my friend and fellow motorcyclist Dr. Phil Shore, who practices medicine(and says he's gonna KEEP "practicing" medicine until he gets it right) is a member of BOTH AMAs, and so he get discounts at not ONLY BikeBandit.com but ALSO at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in L.A. TOO!!!

(just thought you'd like to know that)


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They rock, I am also a member of the MMA here in MA. These organizations do a great job representing us. Just recently the MMA was instrumental in crushing proposed legislation in NH looking to institute a helmet law and to force all riders to run exhaust with EPA labels. MMA actually went to NH to protect our riders who wander over the border regularly. Safety in numbers!




I didn't know that MMA was into that. They would be quite good at the necessary arm twisting though.


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Got my 11 year member pin just the other week.They do watch out for us.

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I'm in, get the mag every month and sent my cards in over that dumb lead law that blocked sales of youth bikes. A great organization that has returned to its purpose.


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I hadn't paid much attention, I guess it's about time I do so I'm looking to join.


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I hadn't paid much attention, I guess it's about time I do so I'm looking to join.




Sign up and reference my number 1045822 at the top of the form. We'll both get a free hat. (or use someone's number!)

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For the first new member signed up under the program, the recruiting member receives a free cap featuring the AMA logo. For the fourth new member signed up, the recruiting member's AMA membership is extended for one year. Also, if the new member signs up for auto-renewal, which includes free AMA Roadside Assistance for no additional charge, the new member also will receive an AMA hat.




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moe #378115 05/25/2010 5:04 PM
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I did not see that until after I signed up the other day, or I would have asked around if for some one to reference.

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I used to be a member....I let it lapse a couple years ago cause I got tired of every piece of mail from them asking for money.
I understand they are non-profit and are a HUGE asset to the MC community. I would like to join again and support the cause but I really don't want to feel badgered for donations. Maybe Ill just donate.


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newt #378117 11/17/2010 9:49 PM
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The AMA has been betraying bikers for years. Ask the Booze fighters how the AMA sold them out.
They make concessions to politicians while asking you to stay calm. Thats not how its done in the good ole USA. you gotta raise h#ll, and scream loudly. Thats how the underclass's made there stand, and won. Rightfully so I might add.
Here if it beeds it leads. The wheele that squeeks the loadest gets the greese.
How do you think the motorcycle laws got so draconian. The AMA making deals instead of making headlines.


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Uh, no offense, but I'm not sure my priorities are quite the same as the Boozefighters. When did this sell out take place? I can't find anything on the web about it.
From the AMA website, they do seem to be working on quite a few relevant issues that I would align with:
http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/rapidresponse.asp

Abate is a little too "no helmet laws" biased for me, they seem to represent the typical biker-type rider.

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The AMA has been betraying bikers for years. Ask the Booze fighters how the AMA sold them out.
They make concessions to politicians while asking you to stay calm. Thats not how its done in the good ole USA. you gotta raise h#ll, and scream loudly. Thats how the underclass's made there stand, and won. Rightfully so I might add.
Here if it beeds it leads. The wheele that squeeks the loadest gets the greese.
How do you think the motorcycle laws got so draconian. The AMA making deals instead of making headlines.




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ssjones #378119 11/17/2010 10:24 PM
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I would rather support ABATE than the AMA. Here in PA the same ticket for a biker is much less than for a car driver because they fought for us and we don't have to pay those rediculous CAT fund charges. Bad inspection in a car is about $120 and for a biker about $40. The fine is the same for both but the extra costs kill the cager. Abate is also the ones who fought long and hard to get rid of the helmet law in PA.


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The Booze Fighters are not a 1% er club as supposed they are only "outlaw" because they refuse to cowtow to draconian regulations. They were actually started by world war vets who bought and chopped military surplus bikes. Rode all over the country racing and stunting to entertain the people where every they would go. Yes they were known for drinking and getting roudy but not drug dealing or murder or exstortion ( as the real 1%ers do and get glorified, and glamourized for like the tv show sons of anarchy) . I cant remember all the details but here is some info to help you maybe look it up.
They were labeled a 1%er club by the AMA after a riot started at a bike rally. The AMA blamed the Booze Fighters with out even attempting to asertain the trueth. They wanted a scape goat and the wild and wooly Booze boys were an easy target.

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The Booz Fighters had little to do with that riot as I recall. The famous pic of one supposed member on a bike with alcohol all around him was staged too to help incriminate them.


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I agree with ABATE. The AMA are sell outs


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I agree with ABATE. The AMA are sell outs



Gotcha, I understand the history of the Boozefighters and the AMA, but that was over 60 years ago!
The AMA and Abate seem to be aligned on a lot of issues, guess you can't go wrong supporting either. No one else seems interested in the rights of motorcyclists.


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Like I said you gotta make headlines to get what you want around here.
An old snake is still a snake.
I am not trying to argue but there are fundamental differences. I dont believe in making trade offs with politicians. I believe in putting a foot in their @ss.
But hey I don't think that there should be a difference in the license to drive a car or ride a bike. If the bike awareness was part of the testing you would have less cagers running over bikers.

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Depends what you mean by difference.I don't think you should be able to pass the test in a car and then be able to just jump on a bike. There should be an endorsement after you show you know how to operate a bike safely. I do agree that where rights are concerned there should be no trade off and that is my issue with the AMA as well.


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I mean I agree with you. Just the riding part because the other stuff should be in the test to get in a car.


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Agreed, isn't that what they do? When I got mine I did it backwards, I got my bike license first then car license a couple years later and all I did was have to drive the course.


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No, here its a big ordeal. its like they are trying to discurage you from riding. you gotta take a two day coarse costing $200.oo. So a lot of riders down here aren't riding with an indorsement


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No, here its a big ordeal. its like they are trying to discurage you from riding. you gotta take a two day coarse costing $200.oo. So a lot of riders down here aren't riding with an indorsement




Bad move, unless they've been riding for years and have seen it all...like me. And, maybe even if I had taken some kind of riding course back when I was 15 1/2(in 1967) and first received my California "Learner's Permit"(the test basically consisted of little more than showing some guy at the DMV that I could ride my little Honda in a figure-8 pattern without putting my foot down, and which allowed me to ride a motorcycle solo after I received the permit) then maybe I wouldn't have had my first accident at 16 on that little Honda.

I mean, if your wife or teenage kid wanted to start riding, wouldn't YOU advise them to take a course run by expertly trained and experienced riders with a knowledge of how to train others???

(...just makes sense to me, anyway!!!)


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not a big AMA fan,,,,, longtime member of ABATE and MRF though...... got my moto license at fourteen in Oklahoma.... after the written the examiner ask me " know how to ride that thing son ? " told him I'd ridden it there,,,, the reply was "ok" and he gave me my license.... it was just a typed card, no pic... no driving test...

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No, here its a big ordeal. its like they are trying to discurage you from riding. you gotta take a two day coarse costing $200.oo. So a lot of riders down here aren't riding with an indorsement





Bad move, unless they've been riding for years and have seen it all...like me. And, maybe even if I had taken some kind of riding course back when I was 15 1/2(in 1967) and first received my California "Learner's Permit"(the test basically consisted of little more than showing some guy at the DMV that I could ride my little Honda in a figure-8 pattern without putting my foot down, and which allowed me to ride a motorcycle solo after I received the permit) then maybe I wouldn't have had my first accident at 16 on that little Honda.

I mean, if your wife or teenage kid wanted to start riding, wouldn't YOU advise them to take a course run by expertly trained and experienced riders with a knowledge of how to train others???

(...just makes sense to me, anyway!!!)



I am just stating facts. The rule is the problem though. most people would go sit in a class for a few hours and watch a movie or bring there bike up and ride an obstacle coarse or something and pay $50-$60 bucks. When you ask for 2 days and $200.oo most people just skip it. Its just a fact. I run into more people here in Texas without an endorsment than I did in other states with less draconian rules. Arkansas you go one day and take a written test about safety to make sure you understand what you are getting into. Then on another day you ride up to the DPS and the officer inspects the bike and gives you your endorsement. I never met a rider there who doesn't have their endorsment.
I taught my son to ride but when my wife gets ready she will take the coarse because I can't teach her.(personality)


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I been riding sence I was 9. yes even on the street.


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Given that one can stay upright on two wheels, the basic rider's course (the one required now in FL) is more a determinate of one's common sense then riding ability. Nothing of import is taught beyond the basics of counter-steering, ride pre-inspection, safety gear and yes DUI/Traffic laws. Common sense stuff. Try all they may, until one has the ability to transparently operate the controls of a motosickle while in heavy traffic, motorsickle courses will remain an IQ test.

Thus the course is a money grab. Used to be the endorsement was granted for $5.00: No skills testing or separate written test. Then they started to require that a skills test be administered along with a separate written exam, both at the local driver's license office. The Courses were (beyond altruistic dreams) seemingly intended to lighten the load at the license offices. Well the foot was on the threshold and now the poor old sods will have to fork over upwards of 200 big ones for a heretofore free exam.


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my Texas mc endorsement...after riding without one for some 20 plus yrs....all i did was go and take the written(pc) test...passed..recieved my temp learners permit...went back and took my rideing test(ran around the block)...passed and recieved my endorsement... i did NOT have to take/pay for any riders saftey course...although the clerk at the dot thought i had too,,,until i demanded to talk to a supervisor...and that supervisor aknowledged that you do not have to take a $200 rideing saftey course as long as you did what i did in getting the learners/temp permit first. just an FYI

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In Maryland, if you are under a certain age, you must take the course.
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my Texas mc endorsement...after riding without one for some 20 plus yrs....all i did was go and take the written(pc) test...passed..recieved my temp learners permit...went back and took my rideing test(ran around the block)...passed and recieved my endorsement... i did NOT have to take/pay for any riders saftey course...although the clerk at the dot thought i had too,,,until i demanded to talk to a supervisor...and that supervisor aknowledged that you do not have to take a $200 rideing saftey course as long as you did what i did in getting the learners/temp permit first. just an FYI




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I'm a member of AMA and ABATE. I go back and forth on my feelings about the AMA (yeah, yeah American Mother's Association). They do some good, but it's mostly tailored to off road. The main reason I keep my AMA membership is for the roadside assistance.

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I joined the AMA in 1970 so I could ride enduros and hairscrambles. Back then if you stayed with them 20 years you became a life member with full benefits.After I reached my 20 year status they changed the rules and we were no longer given the magazine or news letter without paying exstra.They broke the faith with us for money.


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Holy undead nightmare.....

AMA selling your rights down the road one sliver at a time.


I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe
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StandingBull #378140 01/31/2012 1:05 PM
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I joined AMA last Fall to get a discount on the shipping for the Rocket III. I don't actually care about them at all, but I'm glad there's some kind of faction for motorcyclists.


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I joined several years ago. They are the motorcycle equivalent of the NRA. Without them, and a few others, the nanny staters will destroy motorcycling. Plus, you get free roadside assistance.



We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I also got a discount on my Rocket III tires with BikeBandit.com.


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You get the AMA 10% discount on all stuff at the bandit.


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moe #378144 02/13/2012 1:10 PM
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moe #378145 03/04/2012 12:41 PM
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You get the AMA 10% discount on all stuff at the bandit.




Could be a reason to join again, I suppose.

Years ago when I went to school in Columbus, Ohio the AMA headquarters was just up the road in Worthington (I think). I remember similar discussions about the AMA back then too, but the one that stuck with me was the fellow who said he passed the AMA offices every day going to and from work and had never seen a motorcycle in the parking lot. I don't remember if I ever saw one either, but they did sponsor flat track races at the State fairgrounds every year that drew an amazing collection of riders and bikes; I think I still have photos of a sea of bikes there in the late 70s.


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philwarner #378146 03/04/2012 7:27 PM
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I can't stand the AMA for selling our rights down the road a little at a time but I think they sponsored the hill climbs at Freemansburg. Used to be a sea of bikes there too but the law pretty much squashed that. Last time I was there the field was only about 1/2 full of bikes and it used to be so full some bikes couldn't get in there to park.


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The_Dog33 #378147 03/06/2012 1:38 PM
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I am with ya, Ian. VWV are nothing but a political group who trade us out to support their own agenda. COC is a different matter they actually have gotten laws repealed here in Texas. Ones the VWV got in forced to start with,lol.


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StandingBull #378148 03/06/2012 11:11 PM
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Abate here had a lot to do with the repeal of the helmet law. Lobbied for it every year and had a large group at the state capitol to support the bill. That is just 1 example.


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The_Dog33 #378149 03/07/2012 8:00 PM
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ABATE is good too.


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The AMA, and ABATE are both fighting for motorcycle rights. ABATE is geared more toward the state level (at least here in Florida that is where all their attention is), and only for on road riding. AMA is geared toward the national level and for all types of riding (on and off road). Both organizations are needed more than ever, and based on the laws passed in the last 4 years, a bigger national presents is needed.

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tcv #378151 03/09/2012 7:21 PM
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VWV probably traded for those laws, allowing them to get passed in exchange for safety class fees or racing regulations that would make them more money.

They're as bad as insurance companies. They tell ya hey man I'm on your side. Mean while they create a need for themselves so they can make a fortune off of ya.


I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe
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newt #378152 03/18/2013 7:00 PM
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I've not joined AMA but am a member of ABATE

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I have learned as of late that I neither support nor oppose any cause ,sa e for the degree in which it affects me. So if it makes you happy to join or oppose any group or cause then the world is better for having at least one happy person.


I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago. Edgar Allan Poe
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I have learned as of late that I neither support nor oppose any cause ,sa e for the degree in which it affects me. So if it makes you happy to join or oppose any group or cause then the world is better for having at least one happy person.




Grow a backbone and stand up for yer self, you burnt-out old hippie!

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