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Oregon Introduces Bill to Prohibit Sale of Aftermarket Parts At the request of Governor Theodore Kulongoski, the Oregon Speaker of the House has introduced legislation H.B. 2186 to prohibit the sale and distribution of aftermarket motor vehicle parts if alternatives are available that "decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles." The bill is primarily focused on aftermarket tires and would authorize the Environmental Quality Commission to implement enforcement regulations, likely based on a rolling resistance calculation. We Urge You to Contact Oregon Speaker of the House Dave Hunt and Members of the Environment and Water Committee immediately to Request Their Opposition to H.B. 2186 H.B. 2186 would regulate fuel economy, an authority reserved to the federal government. H.B. 2186 could ban tires that may have improved performance, handling or appearance features, based solely on a rolling resistance rating. In addition, this program could easily distract consumers from focusing on more important safety issues such as tire inflation and overloading of vehicles. H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products. H.B. 2186 could prohibit aftermarket parts designed to either personalize or optimize specific vehicle performance attributes including handling, towing, suspension, fuel economy, etc. H.B. 2186 provides broad authority to government regulators and could limit a range of aftermarket parts currently available to consumers based on the subjective determination of government regulators. http://www.bmwacaportland.com/oregon_hb_2186
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Wow, that's some serious BS
"Rolling resistance calculation"? Don't all round tires roll? Does Oregon have some square aftermarket tires that the rest of us don't know about?
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Wow, that's some serious BS
"Rolling resistance calculation"? Don't all round tires roll? Does Oregon have some square aftermarket tires that the rest of us don't know about?
I would assume that softer tires have a higher rolling resistance. To regulate MC tires based on that seems like a safety disaster waiting to happen.
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And wouldn't the same apply for all vehicles?
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Items such as this (and far worse) have been on the list of 'behavioral modification in the name of environment' legislation for ages.
This is but the tip of the iceberg; oppose as strongly as possible.
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"decrease greenhouse gas emissions from motor vehicles." .....likely based on a rolling resistance calculation.
Let me see, the fuel consumption of a a XXXX mile tire vs a XXXX mile tire. Are the impacts significant? Are they measureable? What if you have the highest rated tires, but they're 10- 20# low on air pressure? I think this proposal needs a proper inflation amendment to be credible. And some elected officials wonder why they aren't taken seriously.
Let me take a wild guess, this legislator isn't from Burns or Lakeview or Pendleton is he/she. I wonder if the rollin' resistance police will meet any resistance? Maybe the Governor felt screwed by Les Schwab.
Soren, you have our deepest sympathy's for living in such a state. Oregon makes Utah look downright progressive 
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Simply hard to believe!  The death of common sense is now complete. Like there aren't any other REAL problems they could tackle. While I am generally for helping the environment, this kind of statistical tomfoolery is nuts. You couldn't measure with a high rise building full of sensitve computers and sensors the difference these nickel and dime solutions would make. 
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Wow, as if the Auto industry as a whole isn't in enough trouble and now a state is trying to get this passed? Holy cow, talk about slapping taxpayers in the face after being forced to spend bailout money on 2 of the big 3.
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The bottom is that none of it has to do with the enviroment or safety and all of it has to do with opression and power over the people.
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Personally I doubt any bill like this - if passed - would survive long. Ignoring the obvious safety concerns from this poorly thought out bill, all it would take is 30% of sales to disappear over the state borders to get the local tyre retailers screaming for it to be revoked. Even if they made it illegal to use out-of-state tyres, can you imagine the police trying to enforce it?
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I will be surprised if that happens. NTW, Discount Tire, the custom wheel industry etc. will fight really hard with their checkbooks at the legislators desk.
They will bribe it into a long death in committee.
Follow the money. Find out who is getting greased and boycott that company that is supporting that person or persons.
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The tire angle sounds like the ubiquitous "foot in the door" to regulate most performance based aftermarket parts . Once they get used to the sweet taste of regulation , it's hard to change their diet .
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Personally I doubt any bill like this - if passed - would survive long. Ignoring the obvious safety concerns from this poorly thought out bill, all it would take is 30% of sales to disappear over the state borders to get the local tyre retailers screaming for it to be revoked. Even if they made it illegal to use out-of-state tyres, can you imagine the police trying to enforce it?
Yep! My thoughts exactly, Matt.
And so, let me get this straight here then...
The softer and "stickier" a motorcycle tire is, "the more it supposedly pollutes the environment", huh?!
(geez...and HERE I'll bet in the name of "Free Trade" even OREGON let's mexican semis operate within it's state, spewing TONS of unspent diesel fuel into the air, and yet they're "worried" about the "effects that motorcycle tires" supposedly have upon the environment up there???...go figure, huh???!!!)  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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And they call California a communist state. I guess Oregon would be more authoritarian?
Well John, in THAT case it appears that you've learned somethin' NEW today then, haven't ya?! 
Yep! It looks like you didn't already know that we Californians(ESPECIALLY we SOUTHERN Californians) have been packin' up the suitcases of those REAL "commie tree-huggers" down here and sendin' 'em north of the border for YEARS now!!!
Yep! We just figured that IF those kind'a folks just can't seem to wrap their little heads around the whole idea of sunny days, California beach bunnies(BTW, wasn't that YOU who mentioned to me while we were sittin' in that Manhattan Beach restaurant last year that the women in Montana couldn't hold a candle to the ladies we saw there that night? HUH???!!!...but I digress ), and souped up cars and motorcycles(cue the Beach Boys here), AND if they love all that WET WEATHER so dang much, well then we'd just help 'em right along on their way UP to where those folks UP THERE appear to LIKE all that crappy and depressing weather so much of the time, AND where they can hug all their trees UP THERE to their heart's content!!!
(yep, just ask Soren...HE'LL tell ya!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Wow, two separate replies. I'm flattered. Not really worth a response but I appreciate the effort.  
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Wow, two separate replies. I'm flattered. Not really worth a response but I appreciate the effort.
Hey! What else did you EXPECT from an old retired hombre with way too mucho tiempo on his manos, EH?!
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I would like to believe the bill's chances of survival = a snowball in heII
That's a whole lotta tire product from some very heavy hitters (and lobbyists) that would be forbidden. If these dingbats think they're going to take on Goodyear, Michelin, Firestone, and 8 or 10 others without getting their arses walloped, I think they have a lot to learn.
Then there's the issue of out of state drivers using the forbidden tires within the state.
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And they call California a communist state. I guess Oregon would be more authoritarian?
Well John, in THAT case it appears that you've learned somethin' NEW today then, haven't ya?!
Yep! It looks like you didn't already know that we Californians(ESPECIALLY we SOUTHERN Californians) have been packin' up the suitcases of those REAL "commie tree-huggers" down here and sendin' 'em north of the border for YEARS now!!!
Yep! We just figured that IF those kind'a folks just can't seem to wrap their little heads around the whole idea of sunny days, California beach bunnies(BTW, wasn't that YOU who mentioned to me while we were sittin' in that Manhattan Beach restaurant last year that the women in Montana couldn't hold a candle to the ladies we saw there that night? HUH???!!!...but I digress ), and souped up cars and motorcycles(cue the Beach Boys here), AND if they love all that WET WEATHER so dang much, well then we'd just help 'em right along on their way UP to where those folks UP THERE appear to LIKE all that crappy and depressing weather so much of the time, AND where they can hug all their trees UP THERE to their heart's content!!!
(yep, just ask Soren...HE'LL tell ya!!!)
I just wish those tree huggin', recycling loving, commie socialists would have just kept going north. Anotehr 6 hours and they would be in Canada.
I never have liked Oregon, the weather or the politics.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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What do you expect from the state that is home to Porkland, home of the other white meat?
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I just wish those tree huggin', recycling loving, commie socialists would have just kept going north. Anotehr 6 hours and they would be in Canada.
Do you one better...
I just wish those tree huggin', recycling loving, commie socialists would have just kept going West. Another hour and they would be Drowning in the Pacific.
May they all be run over and then dragged by Jeeps with great big soft-rubber low-mileage after-market mud tires.
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that the women in Montana couldn't hold a candle to the ladies we saw there that night?
Now were you discussing the normal conservative god fearin', semi-automatic toting wommin' or the Psycho/radical/commiepinko/braburning/communist/socialist/squirrel hugging/tree worshipping/whale chasin' wierdos that live in bastions of societal contempt and outrage like MiZZoola
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that the women in Montana couldn't hold a candle to the ladies we saw there that night?
Now were you discussing the normal conservative god fearin', semi-automatic toting wommin' or the Psycho/radical/commiepinko/braburning/communist/socialist/squirrel hugging/tree worshipping/whale chasin' wierdos that live in bastions of societal contempt and outrage like MiZZoola
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Well, I'm NOT really sure here NOW, John!!!
BECAUSE to be honest with ya here, I DIDN'T KNOW that the women folk up there in "MiZZoola" ran the whole gamut FROM the "Sarah Palin-types", TO the "Nancy Pelosi-types"!!!! 
(and soooooo, you'll just have to give me a moment or two to THINK about this whole thing AGAIN, dude!!!)
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We (as a group) voted for them, we (once again, as a group) deserve everything they do to us. Anyone who wants to take care of your every need usually wants to control your every action too. Every nation gets the government it deserves.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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"We"....you got a mouse in your pocket??
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I didn't vote for anyone currently in office except Mario Scevillo (sp?)Not that I really think there were much better options, a little better but not by much.
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"Mario Scevillo"???!!! GEEEZ, Ian! Now don't you know you can't trust ANYBODY who's last name ends in a vowel?!! ESPECIALLY an "O"!!!!!
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"We"....you got a mouse in your pocket??
Trust me, in this case "we" does not include "I"!
Mustang huh? What community?
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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OK Soren, I've been thinkin' this whole movement possibly has roots back to the winter Lewis & Clark spent the winter at the mouth of the Columbia River near Astoria. A bunch of guys sitting around soggy wood fires all winter and they formed a committee or two. The first thing any committee worth it's salt does is create some rules, policies and protocols. Granted the natives probably had their own committees & policy books. But in time our committees trumped their committees. Fortunately we made a rules exemption where they can have parades & festivals and people can eat cotton candy, corn dogs & get sunburned. I personally think present day Oregon elected folks lost their collective heads when they deemed the unwashed masses lacked the ability to pump their own gas. "No, don't use the green pump!"  I work around a number of committees, councils & boards. "Rule-making" in some regards, provides a sense of accomplishment. As opposed to "The government that governs least, governs best". I just made that up jh
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H.B. 2186 would force consumers to purchase only original equipment manufacturer (OEM) tires because the program essentially exempts OEM-selected tires and unfairly implies that they are superior to aftermarket products.
Aren't OEM tires generally selected on the basis of "Buy the cheapest $hit that will work"? Wouldn't that force owners of some Fords to use those crash-and-burn recalled tires from Bridgestone?
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By gosh GB, you're RIGHT!!! And so, that means if I lived where it rains 310 days out of the year(otherwise known as Oregon), I'd never be able to mount anything but Firestone 500 tires on my Pinto ever again then, RIGHT???!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I'd never be able to mount anything but Firestone 500 tires on my Pinto ever again then, RIGHT???!!!
I think if you're still driving a PINTO, you have larger issues to concern yourself with than the brand of tyre.
But, I could be wrong.
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I'd never be able to mount anything but Firestone 500 tires on my Pinto ever again then, RIGHT???!!!
I think if you're still driving a PINTO, you have larger issues to concern yourself with than the brand of tyre.
But, I could be wrong.
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OH!!! So I'VE GOT "issues", the man says!!!
Uh huh, riiiiiight! And THIS comin' from a so-called "good ol' 'merican boy" who just spelled the word "tire" with a friggin' "Y" there, of all things!!!
So what's NEXT, John? Are you gonna start puttin' that superfluous "U" in other words like "color" and "labor" around here now TOO, dude???
AND BTW, I'll have you know that my Pinto STILL runs like a CHAMP, even AFTER that little problem I had back in '78 when the rear end exploded on me.
Yep! I just welded a new back end on my baby aft of where she was scorched, and I haven't had a single problem with her since!!!
(...though I admit I DO keep a VERY sharp lookout in my rearview mirrors whenever I'm stopped at a redlight nowdays!!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Please accept my abject apoulougy your honour. j h
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Please accept my abject apoulougy your honour.
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(yor apology is accepted, sir!)
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