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Looks like they took my suggestions and blacked out the peg hangers on the america 
This from a man who has blue horns and covers on his bike.   
RED horns there Ronnie boy, and a blue resevoir shield and pipe hangers. Get the facts straight 
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Looks like they took my suggestions and blacked out the peg hangers on the america
This from a man who has blue horns and covers on his bike.
RED horns there Ronnie boy, and a blue resevoir shield and pipe hangers. Get the facts straight
 Oops, I stand corrected but red horns and blue resevoir cover and hangers makes my point.
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Well, it does look like the guys at the big T are listening.....
How many of us have polished/ chromed our front ends? Altered our sprocket covers or peg hangers?
The new america wheels look a little harley-esque. How much more classic can you get?
I think they are listening. Some of us have been critical about the George Foreman grill, grey fork legs and grey Speedmaster front wheel. Those are areas they've changed. I like the looks of the new sprocket cover. I've put on a Bonneville black cover on my Speedmaster, and I like what they've done with a slightly more oval shape.
But in the long run, Triumph aren't making changes on our account. We've already bought ours, so I think they're trying to tempt new owners. How many of us would buy another Speedmaster or America? Aren't most of us looking for something with more power?
I for one don't want belt drive and EFI. If you're going to go retro, nothing wrong with chain and carbs. Carbs aren't that bad, and they're a lot cheaper to mod than EFI where you usually have to buy some kind of power commander like device, and not everybody has a laptop to change the inputs. I also don't mind the chain, and it is nice to be able to jump around with the front sprocket size for only $20.
I like the America wheels, but IMO they should've kept the spokes and put those new rims on the Speedmaster. Don't care for the speedmaster's new wheels....looks too sport bike-ish.
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The front wheels are better than the current SM front wheel . It'll be nice to have a couple more options. 
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Like the sprocket cover. Abso-freaking-lutely HATE the rims. What the heck were they thinking?. Butt fugly! I do like the black motor but would have to add some chrome to bring back the America look (cam cover, control bar mount, etc.) Spoke rims or at the very least some polishing of those fugly things would defnitely be in order there!
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I'll keep my '06 TBA.. I like the look better than the new one. Waiting on the 1500cc... tick, tick, tick...
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This one seems to be the best color  BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD Who would want a freaking black engine!!!!!
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They are doin the black engine cause they know some of you
will steal the milk money to buy the chrome valve covers and such!!
The new sprocket cover is a SURE seller to all pre 07
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Who would want a freaking black engine!!!!!
Some of us would rather ride than polish, but I guess you chromo-sexuals have to have your fix.
Seriously though, I like my blacked out motor on my Speedmaster. Easy to clean, and I think it looks good. It was one of many things that made me buy a Speedmaster instead of the America....along with dual front brakes, tubeless rims with much better OEM tires, and the drag bars.
I like the new America. They finally got rid of all that dull grey paint.
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Looks to me like the site still shows 790cc motor for America and 865cc for Speedy. All in all, I don't see a reason to get rid of my '05 this year. One more year and a little more development for the 1500cc product and I might be ready to rock!
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I don't see any new accessories on the Swiss site.
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They've swapped the pipes over too in the pics on the Swiss site... slash cuts on the SM and the tapers on the America.....why??
I must say that if I was look at buying a bike next year, it would not be a new America... it looks bleedin' ugly!
I agree. I do like the smooth chrome sproket cover though.
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Hmmm... Everyone knows I hate to start rumors , But maybe the approach is to 'ugly down' the BA /SM line prior to introducing that 1475cc cruiser that has been keep secret for so long - My source says the tarp comes off her in November. Includes wide colour range, Spoke and cast wheel options, belt drive, Water cooled (with hidden radiator where the air box would normally be), F.I., tour version(s), and a complement of accessories that would choke a hog rider. Wait and see.
Did your source also tell you that it will be a triple and be named "America"?...... 
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This one seems to be the best color BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Who would want a freaking black engine!!!!!
Its hard to tell from the picture , but are the forks polished?
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With all the dramatic changes to our bikes (some good, some not so good), it tells me that the Speedmaster and the America will be around for quite a few more years. I don't think that a company would spend so much time in developing so many changes if they were going to kill our line of bikes.
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BTW... After all, look how long the T-Bird, Legend and Adventurer were around. The only reason they went away was that the tooling for the motors was getting too old.
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Who would want a freaking black engine!!!!!
I used to think the same thing till i saw the SM. I like both black and chrome engines, but if it's black the black MUST be right. Some bike have black paint that looks cheap. Triumph uses a certain texture that looks good. And as Sal said they're infinatly easier to clean. Iy grew on me real quick after i first saw one in person. That said i also like the america's chrome sides, tho i think it looks a bit out of place or "tacked on" with the rest of the engine black.
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I hate the new SM wheels. Heck, the old front looks way better than those things. Again, I would love to have that America front wheel with the dual disks. I wonder if its possible to do? And then, at what price?
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I think it is interesting that one of the things everyone complained about when the speedy came out has been fixed on this "new" model but nobody has noticed. The front and rear wheels now match but nobody seems to like them and they are talking about changing the front wheel but not the back. Behold, all things are new again.
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Hmm I don't mind the new America wheels, tho I'll happily stick with my classic wire spokes out of preference. Interesting that tho they've gone to cast wheels and the bigger engine on the america they still haven't gone to twin disks. OK my thoughts
- don't like the blacked out engine on the america
- I like the new sprocket cover tho will probably keep my chrome "george foreman" one because as someone pointed out earlier it's now a "classic america" feature.
- no idea why they swapped the pipes around but I don't really think it makes a lick of difference.
- still in two minds about the new rear peg hangers vs the old ones - the new ones're less ugly but they're also very boring.
- more cubes is always a good thing.
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Dan I noticed that but didn't say anything I like the new sprocket cover and peg hangers. and yes the forks are polished!! Anyone wanna buy a new one and part it out? I'll take the forks and lower tripple tree
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I suppose this is the best place to add this rumour I go from another group I'm in... Someone who is a little behind the times asked if the rumour he's heard about them not building Triumphs here in the UK was true... one of the replies...complete with bad spelling... Quote:
I've heard ther are to open a factory in Asia.
Initially to produce a new model only. This will be a totaly new bike with a large
capacity twin cylinder engine. About two thirds the size of the Rocket III.
Still gonna shop your America's in for the large cruiser....?
Gina
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Large capacity twin? About two thirds the size of the Rocket III? I would definitely like a twin better than a triple, especially if it retained a classic Triumph look.
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Hmmm... Everyone knows I hate to start rumors , But maybe the approach is to 'ugly down' the BA /SM line prior to introducing that 1475cc cruiser that has been keep secret for so long - My source says the tarp comes off her in November. Includes wide colour range, Spoke and cast wheel options, belt drive, Water cooled (with hidden radiator where the air box would normally be), F.I., tour version(s), and a complement of accessories that would choke a hog rider. Wait and see.
Did your source also tell you that it will be a triple and be named "America"?......
As I had said in a previous thread -er, rumour -
1. The BA and Speedmaster will become one homogenated model-evidence of that is in the new releases
2. The new model name, which will encompase the BA/SM derivitive, will be 'Speed Twin' - a re-emergence of a retro-name which eliminates the 'America' name, retains reference to the historical roots of the vertical twin concept, and maintains the illusion of 'speed' - all major sales and advertising ploys.
3. The Speedmaster name resurfaces as a semi-downsized version of the Rocket 3 engine. - The difference is that the engine will mount laterally, use belt instead of shaft drive, and will have a non-visible radiator and will NOT have a tank wart. Another design + is that the engine will be finned as though air cooled (purely for appearance)
AND GET THIS -
One year following introduction, a second version of the Speedmaster Triple emerges as a Thruxtonesque version that will resemble a quasi-cafe/classic racer styled bike - This version is already slated to recieve the reserected 'TRIDENT' name. So, boys and girls, there IS a "two new models" commitment on the horizon. The commitment to the new models being 'cruiser'/retro-traditional is because the most recent new introductions have been from the sport/sport touring segment.
All ya have to do is wait a bit...
Oh, and just because i was asked in another thread -
This new Speedmaster (the 3 Cyl.)will be unvailed in LATE November. It will NOT go on sale until APRIL. It will be sold during the initial '07 introduction as an '08 model. The PROBABLE intro of the TRIDENT will be with the introduction of the remaining '08 line in late '07.
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The Speedmaster name resurfaces as a semi-downsized version of the Rocket 3 engine. - The difference is that the engine will mount laterally, use belt instead of shaft drive, and will have a non-visible radiator and will NOT have a tank wart. Another design + is that the engine will be finned as though air cooled (purely for appearance)
Bummer. I thought you were saying it was to be a twin till now. Doesn't sound like it's going to be much cheaper than a rocket either being maybe even more technologically advanced with the same basic engine and just smaller. This is sorta disappointing. But i guess i'll need to see the bike and price before jumping to conclusions. I really find some of Triumphs decisions confusing tho. Everyone and his brother is clammoring for a bigger version of the cruisers and this is what they come up with?!
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The Speedmaster name resurfaces as a semi-downsized version of the Rocket 3 engine. - The difference is that the engine will mount laterally, use belt instead of shaft drive, and will have a non-visible radiator and will NOT have a tank wart. Another design + is that the engine will be finned as though air cooled (purely for appearance)
Bummer. I thought you were saying it was to be a twin till now. Doesn't sound like it's going to be much cheaper than a rocket either being maybe even more technologically advanced with the same basic engine and just smaller. This is sorta disappointing. But i guess i'll need to see the bike and price before jumping to conclusions. I really find some of Triumphs decisions confusing tho. Everyone and his brother is clammoring for a bigger version of the cruisers and this is what they come up with?!
Its a triple. I hope it doesn't look like the Thunderbird. Or R3. The days of the traditional Triumph twin cruiser are numbered. Too many folks want that Japanese technology. In a couple of years our BAs and SMs will look like 60's triumph bobbers compared to the modern bikes..including Triumph. At least they aren't killing the Bonneville/T100.
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I'm not saying i wouldn't be interested. I'm just saying a large version of my current bike would be the ultimate. I would however be interested in this triple if it's not some ugly monster, underpowered for it's size, or costs too much. After all, as much as the speedy is my fav, i've always liked the classic triples too. So it's not like it would be way out of my taste range. Heck, i even considered a rocket a while ago, tho that notion went away pretty quick. So judging from triumph's designs in more classically designed models, i'm pretty sure whatever this thing looks like i'll probably like it. But i'd still prefer a huge speedy to anything. Sorta like having to settle for a woman who's an 8-1/2 instead of 10. I can live with that.
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Pipedr, Ok I guess I'll ask what no one else has. Not to be a wise a$$ but what makes you an authority on Triumphs future plans. In other words were do get this"inside information" that no one else seems to have knowledge of. Don't get me wrong I like most of what you have been saying but with out some concrete evidence(pics,Triumph news release etc)I take it with a grain of salt. So come clean man where you getting this information from? Mikemm03
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Well, a rumor i heard that hasn't been mentioned yet, is that triumph is going to offer big bore top end kits as an acessory for the 865's to pump them up to 1200+cc's as a filler til the rumored new cruiser comes out.
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OK.. I have changed my mind, either the America or the Speedmaster is on it's way out. According to the Swiss website, they both are sporting the same paint scheme. That can only mean that one of them is on their way out.
Maybe Barry is right.
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I saw this link on triumphrat. Thought it was interesting. The America will have the 865 motor. http://www.triumph.co.uk/media/Motorcycles_2007_UK.pdf
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Mike,
You,Sir, are a wise man. I'd expect nothing less from an ol' mule skinner from Tenn. (and I say that with all due respect). Keep that grain of salt handy. Only you thought to ask. My insight comes purely from my imagination + a dash or two of perception and as a long standing career B.S.er. Although there is not an ounce of factual information in my predictions, I remain convinced that the prediction will come to fruition on at least one point and will likely happen in more. Until then, I'll never stray far from my talking 8-Ball and I'm already putting loose change in a piggy bank for that new Trident.
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... I remain convinced that the prediction will come to fruition on at least one point ...
Pipedr,
You may just be right, you know.
A few weeks back Dwight posted something about an upcoming mid-sized cruiser (circa 1500cc's) that was powered by a triple (instead of the rumoured twin cylinder).
He said he got the info from a reliable source that he was unable to disclose.
Nevertheless, he seemed quite serious.
Let's see eh?
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Bedouin, Dwight, aye... Now there's a good source. Perhaps the only member that can easily outshine me in the BS output. He's a master and a force to revered.
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Ah, but you are presuming he was competing with your (quite believable) stories on the issue of Triumph mid-sized cruiser.
I think perhaps not.
I may be wrong.
We'll see.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The original design for the Rocket III was a 1500cc design. The design also included swoopier pipes and a overall more classic cruiser styling. It wasn't until after marketing and other folks got involved that the design changed to first a 1800cc then the final 2400cc design. From a marketing perspective this decision proved very fruitful. Triumph laid claim to the biggest, baddest production bike ever to hit the streets. Now perhaps it's time to return to it's roots and produce something that is more in line with what is desired and sought after in a production cruiser... namely a 1500cc bike with all the desired components.
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You,Sir, are a wise man. I'd expect nothing less from an ol' mule skinner from Tenn. (and I say that with all due respect). Keep that grain of salt handy. Only you thought to ask. My insight comes purely from my imagination + a dash or two of perception and as a long standing career B.S.er. Although there is not an ounce of factual information in my predictions, I remain convinced that the prediction will come to fruition on at least one point and will likely happen in more. Until then, I'll never stray far from my talking 8-Ball and I'm already putting loose change in a piggy bank for that new Trident.
Pipedr,good thing we are not in Jonestown and you are mixing the cool-aid. I'm pretty sure several folks would have followed you down the drain!
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Well, a rumor i heard that hasn't been mentioned yet, is that triumph is going to offer big bore top end kits as an acessory for the 865's to pump them up to 1200+cc's as a filler til the rumored new cruiser comes out.
I will have one of these thanks, then it will be just the way I want it. A larger twin in a Speedy, where do I order it and how soon can I have it
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Looked over this catalog: http://www.triumph.co.uk/media/Motorcycles_2007_UK.pdfand noticed the 07 America is listed as 54bhp @ 6750rpm and 51ft-lb @ 4800rpm. My 03 America (790cc) was listed as 60hp @ 7400rpm and 45ft-lb @ 3500rpm. I haven't paid too much attention to the 865, but this kind of caught my eye. Has the hp/torque numbers changed for the 865? Or maybe I've got something bass-ackwards!
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Nope, you got it right. It was one of the reasons I bought na '04 Speedmaster instead of the '05. The 865 has less HP than the 790, but more torque. Doesn't make sense to me why they would do that. You would think that more ccs would mean more HP and Torque.
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For some reason they wussed out on the cams with those 865's. Maybe for that "relaxed" ride...
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