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Helmet Comparison, 3/4 vs full-face
#85184 08/03/2006 9:33 AM
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Most of my riding is done at highway speeds. Even with a windshield and earplugs I find the noise fairly wearing after a full day. I wear a good Arai full-face helmet and I’m used to the feel of it but I dislike the inconvenience.

With a little free time yesterday I set out to do a helmet noise comparison. I was interested in seeing whether there were dramatic differences between a 3/4 and a full face and whether there was much difference between two full-face helmets.

I had my day-to-day lid: a silver Arai Signet GT(full face), my old red Shoei full-face, and a black 3/4 helmet sourced at an auto parts store – DOT approved but hardly high end. The key difference between the Arai and Shoei that I wanted to know about was that the Arai has fairly prominent top vents that I thought might be contributing some noise.

Conditions
Odd as it may seem, I wore earplugs for most of the tests. I was trying to duplicate my own riding experience. I wore the helmets the way I usually do, visor up on the street, visor open a bit on the highway (10-25%). The top vents on the Arai were closed because I know from experience it’s noisier with them open.

Trials
I tried each helmet without earplugs sitting on the idling bike. I tried each on a 30 mph street loop, I tried each on a 10 mile highway run with speeds from 60-80 mph.

Observations.
• With all three helmets the dominant noise on the street run and up to about 65mph on the highway was my engine. The bare helmet does essentially nothing to block engine noise except for closing the visor on a full face which has a dramatic effect.
• At about 65 a low frequency flutter or booming takes over. Again, much the same with the three helmets. The 3/4 might have been a bit worse but I would have started to close the visors by this point. The low frequency noise is not much affected by ducking behind the screen but (of course) it’s way louder if I stand up out of the windscreen’s shelter. The character of the noise is the same whether behind the windscreen or not. It’s just much less down in the windscreen’s shelter.
• At 75 mph the Arai has a very prominent high pitched whistling from the top vents even when they’re closed – this is the dominant noise even with the visor well open. The Shoei has a much lower volume whistle that’s only noticeable with the visor fully closed. The 3/4 helmet had no high frequency noise (or I couldn’t hear it with no visor).

Conclusions re Noise • Bikes are noisy, even mine with stock pipes.
• Helmet padding around the ears does essentially nothing to block noise.
• The full face helmet with visor closed blocks engine noise where the 3/4 doesn’t. With it open even a bit they’re about the same.
• All the helmets exhibit the low frequency noise at 65+ mph. It’s not helmet or style specific and certainly not brought on by any kind of resonance in the full-face helmets.
• The most annoying noise on my Arai is the high pitched whistling at highway speed. This is helmet-specific rather than 3/4 vs full face. Neither the shoei nor the 3/4 had the problem.

Specific conclusions re the 3/4 helmet • The 3/4 is a wonderful thing to put on and wear. This one was not the quality of my other two but it was light, easy, and gave wonderful visibility.
• The 3/4 with no visor is pretty hard to take at 75 mph – especially in the rain.

Next Steps for me
• I’m going to throw out my 10 year old Shoei. The black granular stuff that fell out of it probably used to be important.
• I’m going to try popping off and filling in the vents on top of my Arai helmet.
• I’m going to look for a better 3/4 helmet for use around town.

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Bill #85185 08/03/2006 12:11 PM
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FWIW, the 3/4 helmet pictured appears to be identical in every way to my wife's Bell, which cost around $60 new. As you likely know, it isn't unusual for majors to produce no brand items. Years ago, Michelin was the sole supplier of Sears branded tires. Just a random observation...

I have a Shoei St. Cruz half helmet. Aside from the usual noise issue, in my opinion it does a poor job of being in the wind. That large lower surface area is kind of like a mini sail on my noggin. I am in the process of fitting some aircraft soundproofing foam and a pair of Bose earmuff leathers into my helmet straps to see if I can lower the noise levels a bit.

When it comes to ventilation, I wonder why motorcycle helmets don't have open areas like bicycle helmets do? One would think they could still be safe with slots cut in them.

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Bucky #85186 08/13/2006 10:03 AM
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I have a Arai 3/4 with a flip upface shield which I wear and like

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bogie #85187 08/13/2006 3:53 PM
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here in the uk i have a caberge flip front helmet.its quite reasonably priced(£140 cant work it out in $, too mant beers!!!! ). anyway, it has an option to remove the chin piece and have it as an open type, great for hot days(very rare over here),ive noticed that with the chin part on i get a whistling noise over 70mph, with it removed it seems to be quieter. i dont use earplugs, usualy have my mp3 player on!!(not too loud though).if im going on a long journey i tend to use it as a full face helmet mainly for safety reasons.my bike has the summer screen on it, and recently i was useing a loan bike with no screen on, and my helmet didnt have that annoying whistleing noise,so i was wondering if it has somthing to do with turbulance caused by the screen?


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here in the uk i have a caberge flip front helmet.its quite reasonably priced(£140 cant work it out in $, too mant beers!!!! ).




I only dicovered yesterday that it was possible to remove the chin guard. I'll be havin' a go tomorrow!


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Brummie #85189 08/13/2006 4:24 PM
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it makes it easer to clean the visors when you remove the chin guard too!, the 1st thing i do when i get anything new is read the instructions and take it apart!!(anyone want to buy a ford cortina gearbox in bits haha!!!)


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smith #85190 08/14/2006 9:10 PM
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done it - and it's got cold and wet ! too cold for an open faced helmet........

Now how does it go back together ....


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Brummie #85191 08/17/2006 5:59 PM
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Personally I think I enjoy riding with a full-face. I've been riding with an HJC Flip-Face for over a year and I've got a Rodia 1/2 for when it's really REALLY hot. What I noticed about the 1/2 in regards to noise is entirely the strap.

Mostly I wore the flip face based on safety. There's an old biker that owns a shop near me. He was pretty much the first guy who was straight up about selling me a helmet. He wears a full face and he is not the kind of guy who looks like he would. He's been in three accidents since he's been riding. One of which he had just started wearing the full face. Typical left turn in front of him and when he came off the bike he hit the windshield post. Had that been an open face, at the very least his jaw and face would have been crushed. It makes sense to me.

In addition to the safety, I find that I see better with the full face and not fighting the buffetting on my glasses or anything.

I also read a story about flip-face helments and found that my HJC uses plastic hooks to lock the chinbar in place and that under testing those hooks can break at impact. I honestly never flip the thing up so I just purchased a Arai Astral X. It's DOT and Snell, lighter and smaller than the HJC, so we'll see.

I have no idea why I think anyone give's a darn about my opinion, but I thought I'd share just in case.


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TBANGA #85192 08/19/2006 1:32 PM
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I have no idea why I think anyone give's a darn about my opinion, but I thought I'd share just in case.




All opinion /experience is welcome. I feel claustaphobic in a full face helmet, but a number of people (including my son) who have slid down the pavement on their face, beg me to get one.

Your point about the clips breaking is one I've nver thought about.....mmmmmmmmm !!


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smith #85193 08/19/2006 5:28 PM
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Alan, I have a Caberg Justissimo flip top and i didn't know you could remove the chin guard! I have had a fiddle and can't see how it comes off. Can you help?

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Alan, I have a Caberg Justissimo flip top and i didn't know you could remove the chin guard! I have had a fiddle and can't see how it comes off. Can you help?




Got one myself.

The side panels pull off. it takes a bit of effort but don't worry - just pull out. undo the visor screws and note the order you take the bits off in.

Note the positions of the little black ratchet clips.

Remove the chin guard and reassembly is the reverse of the strip down. Took me about 10 mins


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I recently purchased one of these

http://www.proline-sports.co.uk/acatalog/UK_Wind_jammer_21.html

haven't had time to test.


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Bill #85196 09/14/2006 3:56 PM
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I have worn a full face for as long as i have been riding. A few weeks ago my little boy tried my helmet on and then dropped the thing which resulted in a badly scatched visor and a broken visor conector/bracket/ratchet thingy.

Because of that I have taken the opportunity to try a 3/4 helmet. Dont know the brand name, it is a HD Helmet. So far i must say i am liking it, but i do find myself very conscious of the fact that i dont have the chin protection that a full face offers.

Not sure if im going to stick with the 3/4 or not. Still experimenting. However, if i do stick with the 3/4 I will be taking the HD badges off and replacing with Triumph badges/stickers.


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Bill #85197 09/21/2006 10:32 PM
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Just got a HJC CL-15 full face. Was getting too dang cold at 6:00 AM, and was seeing a few too many deer out and about for total comfort in my 3/4. So far, can't complain about the CL-15. Actually like the way it holds my mug. Not real quiet, but not too loud either. I'd imagine I'll return to the 3/4 next spring, but who knows.


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I've got a HJC full face also. The roar of the wind noise is deafening at speed, can't even hear my thunderpipes.... I always ride with ear plugs. Maybe because in order to fit my large, very round head it is not tight around my ears......
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I have a NoLan flip face that I love. It fits great, is quiet and has the little rubber peice under the chin to keep grit from blowing up in your eyes. I don't like the tinted peice so I wear my regular eye glasses and something called Fit Overs that look like sun glasses. They are tinted and designed to fit over your eye glasses and have ear peices like regular glasses. All that fits under the NoLan.

My wife thinks the helment looks like 'Strongbad' from the web site.

On a group ride a woman went down on her face right in front of me and skidded about 25 feet on her full face helment. I was glad she was wearing one and I'm sure she was thrilled. Funny thing was that an ER nurse on a Harley stopped to help and she wasn't wearing any kind of helment.


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