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I just got a new patch for the vest, what do you think?

I was impressed when it arrived... guess I am a Triumph rider for good now!

i like it!!!! where did you get it???

Like it too,especially because it has the correct Triumph logo.I'd like one too,so like Newt said: Where did you get it? Ride safe,Charlie.

I got it off e-bay a couple of months ago, finally got around to sewing it on. Here is the e-mail for the guy that made it for me sspenard@patchboys.com . He has a few different colour and logo options, as well as new or old Triumph logo.

That's a cool lookin' patch. I got my Triumph wings from patchboys too, but it was a slightly different style. Also got a new big back patch.



One of the guys I ride with got these.He was a member of a local one patch m/c club, but quit after he got fed up with the politics of the group. I had a similar experience with a local riding club, so I thought it fit where I was at too. They've gotten to be hot items around ehre though. Something like 40 patches have been ordered or sold.

That looks cool also Salmaglie, I bet the "no club" attracts some attention on the road!

I WANT ONE!!!

To be honest, I don't wear my vest all that much...too hot out here. But there are those that do everytime they ride, and it's been given the good housekeeping seal of approval by the local 3 patch clubs.

FJ, If you really want one I'll see what I can do for you. Price is $30. The guy who started this might get a kick out of having a "Montana Chapter".

Of course there is always the Silent Skulls.

Soren

Nah, Soren, that's too much like actually joining something without actually joining something. I'd just like to thumb my nose at all the real patch holders out there who range from milk-toast wannabees all the way up to criminals. But I've always been somewhat of a non-conformist.

I only get patches if my clothes have holes in them....

I'm just guessing Derek's comment was a little tongue in cheek??

Yes / No Derek?

Like you said, it's not wise to go around pissing off the real deal. I find the clubs in general have a bit of hypocrisy. Here they are being nonconformist....anti-establishment and all, but they live by a fairly strict set of rules.

I don't know why the clubs would have an issue, but anytime a patch says "club" on the back, you should make sure it's okay...even if it says NO before the club.

And I wouldn't say "funny" about their colors, I'd say serious....dead serious. You were right to tell that member of the board it wouldn't be wise to go around sporting HAMC patches(as if he could even find one). If he's mistaken for a member, he could end up seriously hurt for impersonating one. And if I was a part of that group you're in, I would've told him how it wasn't a smart thing to call it a "biker hells angels theme". Biker theme is okay, but leave the HA out of it. It's probably too late now, but your board should've read this site before they came up with that theme.

"And for that matter what business of theirs would it be what a private citizen wears on his jacket as long as it is not affiliated with them?"

Trust me on this one, even if you're just starting a riding club, if you're going to wear a patch it's best to get it cleared with the local 3 patch clubs. You don't want the kind of trouble they can bring down on you. That's just how things are in the real world. It's about showing respect, which is what they're all about.

I don't have anything against clubs. If that's what you want to be a part of, go ahead. It's just not for me. I like to ride what I want, when I want, and how I want. IME, and from what other people said, regular riding clubs and other kinds of clubs, discourage displays of personal freedom. They want you to conform to their way of thinking and their way of riding. That's just not for me.

Like you said, it's not wise to go around pissing off the real deal. I find the clubs in general have a bit of hypocrisy. Here they are being nonconformist....anti-establishment and all, but they live by a fairly strict set of rules.

I don't know why the clubs would have an issue, but anytime a patch says "club" on the back, you should make sure it's okay...even if it says NO before the club.

And I wouldn't say "funny" about their colors, I'd say serious....dead serious. You were right to tell that member of the board it wouldn't be wise to go around sporting HAMC patches(as if he could even find one). If he's mistaken for a member, he could end up seriously hurt for impersonating one. And if I was a part of that group you're in, I would've told him how it wasn't a smart thing to call it a "biker hells angels theme". Biker theme is okay, but leave the HA out of it. It's probably too late now, but your board should've read this site before they came up with that theme.

"And for that matter what business of theirs would it be what a private citizen wears on his jacket as long as it is not affiliated with them?"

Trust me on this one, even if you're just starting a riding club, if you're going to wear a patch it's best to get it cleared with the local 3 patch clubs. You don't want the kind of trouble they can bring down on you. That's just how things are in the real world. It's about showing respect, which is what they're all about.

I don't have anything against clubs. If that's what you want to be a part of, go ahead. It's just not for me. I like to ride what I want, when I want, and how I want. IME, and from what other people said, regular riding clubs and other kinds of clubs, discourage displays of personal freedom. They want you to conform to their way of thinking and their way of riding. That's just not for me.
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Recently a guy was killed from a very long distance with a sniper rifle coming out of a pizza place. This was in Austin, Texas where the only motorcycle club of substance is the Bandidos. This guy wanted to start a new club and he was warned by his friends and family not to.

This was the first motorcycle violence in Austin that I can remember in 50 years of living here but people do get touchy.

I would love one those wolf ones they look very cool, maybe instead of the "No Club", I could just put Lancashire or something

Its true. He could not find an HAMC patch to buy thats for sure. Only way he could even get one would be to have someone make one for him that does not know any better. Copyrights and ownership notwithstanding an azz whuppin.

Ideally I do agree with you. I am not into clubs as far as motorcycling goes at this point other than the PGR and it is not a motorcycle club per se.

The Patriot Gurd Riders does now have nice large patch for the back of vest or jacket. It does not say club on it and although I dont have one now I do plan to purchase one and I sure dont intend to ask any locals whether its OK or not....althought the PGR website says it might be wise to check the local COC by asking the Az state ride Captain.

If anyone local would have any issues with a Patriot Guard Rider Patch that says "Riding With Respect" ...well they would just have to kiss my Irish nether region.

There is a homecoming "Welcome Home" ride on Sunday up in Phoenix. A gathering of PGR people from Az to welcome home a chief Warrant Officer returning home from a tour of duty in the middle East.

Kinda nice that my first ride with the PGR will not be to attend a funeral but to say "Thanks and Well Done" to a returning vet from the current conflict.

I'm almost 100% sure that no m/c is going to have a problem with a Patriot Guard patch. They wouldn't want the negative publicity that an incident would provoke. But if for some reason a 1%er approaches you and tells you your patch needs to go, I'd recommend that you don't tell him to kiss your a$$.

Have a safe ride. Those Phoenix area drivers are far worse than the ones in Tucson IME. They're especially bad on the 101 loop.

Actually Derek. If a one percenter approached me and told me to remove it I would have to assume that the one percenter handle applies to his brain @ 1% cognitive and I would tell him to kiss my azz.

It'd be worth it. Sides those 1 percenters are not supermen. They fall down just like the rest of us.

Er....you've got me worried now !

I'm a Committee Member of the Northfield Conservative Club ( not that I'm one myself I hasten to add ), and I have been asked to form a Motorcycle Club as we have 20 or 30 Bikers on our books, and a lot more in the area who would like to join one.

The Conservative Club is affectionately known as 'The Cons Club'.

Now maybe I was being naive, but it didn't occur to me that if we had 'colours' or some sort of badge saying 'Northfield Cons MCC, then the roughty toughty bikers out there may think we're CONVICTS and would see it as some sort of challenge !

Mind you, things are a little bit gentler in the UK (so far) We had HA and Bandido's problems in the past, but in general when you see HA's on the road they do acknowledge you, they give you an 'affectionate' blank look !

It's possible they might decide your club is a threat and decide to strip your club of their colors. Literally. Confrontationally. It has happened before, right here in Montana.

Dont worry about it Brummie call yourselves an RC not an MC and dont wear a 3 patch setup and they shouldn't care. The HA around here wouldnt be the probelm its the outlaws and local clubs that get bent out of shape.

Alright lets see if I can explain it without pics.
Top: Club Name ie Heavens Devils
Middle: Emblem or colors IE Flaming Hand
Bottom: Location Rocker IE Birmingham UK
Just make a patch like the rally patches, and you'll be fine.

RC(riders club)= much less hassel
MC(motorcycle club)= greater hassel and explainations

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It'd be worth it. Sides those 1 percenters are not supermen. They fall down just like the rest of us.

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Problem usually is they are not often solo...while you may be...and they take this VERY seriously...and usually they only ask that you show respect! I ride with many clubs with the PRG and have never had any issues with "Patch wearers" most often "removal" requests only come at a club function (where you may be a guest of one club and they wish for a "colorless" function) or some neutral "no colors" location..

My Father in-law started a MC in the Bahamas and sent me a shirt...but it has the MC on it so I won't wear it....I did not earn that shirt and the right to wear it, so out of respect to those who have/did (go thru what ever is required to become a member) I won't wear it....
I guess you could liken it to some smuck wearing a NAM VET patch or shirt who never was there...just disrespectful to those who were!

fortunately I do not hang out in places where these so called tuff guys hang out. Yes they probably do run together.

I dont have much respect for the so called outlaws. As far as the one patch non outlaw types. Screw em. Its a free country and they ought to know it. I would not expect any problems from them.

As for the HAMC and the other bad boys. I would never have occasion to be where they are. I have seen the National Geographic Channel doc on the HAMC. Very interesting but I stll view their philosophy as juvenile and very much childish in terms of their territoriality.

I saw so many different patches over the weekend and no one was paying any attention one way or the other at the PGR run. I dont even currently own a jacket or vest for a patch of any kind. The only one I would be interested in is the PGR patch and I would consider it the right of any one to wear it as a supporter of same or a rider. Those who would diss it can but I would not sell my self respect short in a mixed crowd if some scumbag were to ask me to remove it. It'd get tense.

One does not sell short respect for those who serve this country in battle. In that respect the PGR patch outshines any MC patch as a matter of principle and purpose.

If we ever ride together again, I hope you would respect my wishes and not cop that attitude in front of a patch holder while you're with me. Better yet, don't even bring up the subject whether anybody is around or not. Btw, you never know when you are in front of a patch holder. They don't always wear their colors, or did you not read the link I posted?

Here it is again in case you missed it.

It is highly recommended that you read it whether you are aware that you're around M/C members or not. And you won't know if you are or not as they're in all walks of life and in all professions.

I cant for the life of me EVER see ANYBODY having a problem with the PGR Back Patch...it may soon adorn one of my vests also...but quite frankly I have no patches at all on any of my gear and may never...

I may put the Triumph "wing" patch on my vest but it would be a "kidney" patch not a "back" patch...

At Laconia NH during "Motorcycle Week" there were "patches" every where HAMC, was very well represented...found them to be polite and cordial....still don't think I'ld want to pi$$ a group of them off...for the most part they don't want anymore trouble than you do...and actually the whole "approval" thing is, often (not always), more of a self policing type action then anything else...some yahoo "wantobe" tough guys cause a big scene and got patches on the back...chances are the local PD are going to round up the usuall suspects...and you can bet the local PD is damm sure aware of the HAMC (or any of the other big 3 patch clubs) and their local haunts...but might not be so aware of some of the lessers but you can also bet HAMC knows about all the lessers in their area.

Plus I think you'll find you actually have less issues with the large "Three Patch" clubs then you will with the smaller clubs...the Large clubs really don't have to "prove" anything to anybody, they have enough issues with the other big 3 patch clubs and the "law enforcement types" its the "weekend warrior" type of clubs that I found the most annoying (at bike week) had to prove they were "tough guys" like a little lap dog....all bark, but not much fight...the large 3 patch clubs don't make alot of noise...and you may never see the bite comming. These guys put there pants on just like you and me...BUT they put the MC before EVERYTHING else...Family, Jobs, ECT...and, hey thats there thing so cool for them....

me... nothing comes before my family, period!

Different strokes for different folks, what ever works for you, not how I would do it, but then I'm not you and your not me, I can respect that!

PGR rides; many, many "patches" all riding together as one group with nothing to prove, and united in their mission...NEVER seen an issue...NEVER expect to!

I would rather ride alone than associate with MC's and their ilk.

I stand by my comments. They are people and they need to know when to act like it and that their philosophy of life and riding is theirs and theirs only.

God did not stamp them at birth with a patch that places them outside any shred of common decency.

Respect as it is said is "earned" and not given. Any man or woman who would go so far as to ask someone to remove a harmless non threatening symbol of "respect" like a PGR patch on the back of a jacket and threaten violence for non compliance needs psychological help.

If someone really is an Outlaw and would go so far as to do bodily harm to another rider simply because he or she is wearing a patch that they might somehow construe in and of itself as not deferring to their needed "respect" is someone who is in need of a life.

Its people like that ...exactly like that that give motorcyclists a bad name.

So ..relax. I have no interest in being in a club nor do I search any of them out. Nor would I wear their patch for any reason. But I do thumb my nose at the hardcore types who are true criminals regardless of whether they work at a circle K or happen to be a lawyer.

Motorcycling is just that...motorcycling. Being an "Outlaw" signifies something else altogether.

I think I understand now about the 'respect' thing. If the HA's were the first to wear colours and patches, then any immitation, particularly by a dance group theme night or a load of mainly middle aged bikers wearing similar style badges to them, would be see as direspectful.

Think we'll stick to Chest and sleeve badges and call ourselves a RC.

Thanks for the insight into the MCC Culture.

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If someone really is an Outlaw and would go so far as to do bodily harm to another rider simply because he or she is wearing a patch that they might somehow construe in and of itself as not deferring to their needed "respect" is someone who is in need of a life.

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I agree, but that doesn't mean you won't get your a$$ kicked

I've had two experiences with HA that weren't "bad" perse, but were weird. Once was at a gas station here on the island. My friend and I pulled up, and there were no pumps free. These two HA guys with their barbie doll girlfriends on the back of their rolling couches took their sweet time putting on their helmet, etc. A fullsize VAN finished filling up before they did... And they looked right as us, waiting for a free pump. Gee thanks...

The other was on the way home from Pat's last year on 17 in upstate NY near Binghampton. I was slowly gaining on these two bikes ahead of me. Minding my own buisness keeping a steady pace in the left lane. As I rolled slowly by them I gave a little wave, the usual, and then as soon as I got about a half bike length ahead of them, they took off roaring ahead. Dunno why... That's the part that worried me. A few minutes later I could see a large group of bikes ahead. I didn't get close enough to see if they were HA or not, I figured that was as good a time as any to stop for food

We ran into a group of really old and tired looking HA in Creston BC. They mostly seemed to keep to themselves. That's the way I like it.

Like I said I am not concerned about it. I dont go looking for azzhats and I dont expect to ever "run into em"

Either way I dont plan on joining any of these clubs.

I can see their rules are somewhat juvenile in there interpretation at best. I do know some people who are in what I would call "good" motorcycle clubs right here at work and one has told me that 99% of em in his club are nice people but like in society at large that 1% (pun intended) are azzhats. He indicated to me though that you would really have to go out of your way to provoke even them on most days.

His patch has MC on it and he fully understands the "rules" but I sure cant envision him giving anyone a hard time. He is a veteran and a hardworking guy with Grandkids. He is not going to threaten anyone with violence period.

I think what you're really saying is that you'd never be a in a club that would have you as a member.

I happen to agree that I think most of the "rules" are silly and I certainly don't think anyone deserves respect simply because of a patch, but I also sure as he|| don't wanna find out the hard way what the "rules" are!

Well. I 'dsay that if I was really expected to follow all those BS ****** rules that are indicated as "Protocol" then you would most certainly be correct.

Last time I checked I lived in a "free" country so the very ides of having to give a "by your leave" to any motorcycle club to ride with ANY patch in their state or town is absurd regardless of any perceived legitimacy of same.

Imagine having to call ahead or let XXX motorcycle club authority know you are coming? Preposterous falderall.

I am much to "free" to ever let moi be encumbered by such backward neanderthalian processess of acceptance and or kow tow insinuations.

Dogs and canines operate that way. Humans do not.

Yes, but in this case the (rabid) canines don't care how unafraid you are. I think the Outlaw/1% clubs are more criminal than biker, but I'm not going to say it to their faces.

I actually read most of what was on that site Derek posted. Very interesting. The conclusion I came to, to continue the dog metaphor, is don't poke a stick through the fence at the pitbull, because the GATE IS OPEN.