fortunately I do not hang out in places where these so called tuff guys hang out. Yes they probably do run together.

I dont have much respect for the so called outlaws. As far as the one patch non outlaw types. Screw em. Its a free country and they ought to know it. I would not expect any problems from them.

As for the HAMC and the other bad boys. I would never have occasion to be where they are. I have seen the National Geographic Channel doc on the HAMC. Very interesting but I stll view their philosophy as juvenile and very much childish in terms of their territoriality.

I saw so many different patches over the weekend and no one was paying any attention one way or the other at the PGR run. I dont even currently own a jacket or vest for a patch of any kind. The only one I would be interested in is the PGR patch and I would consider it the right of any one to wear it as a supporter of same or a rider. Those who would diss it can but I would not sell my self respect short in a mixed crowd if some scumbag were to ask me to remove it. It'd get tense.

One does not sell short respect for those who serve this country in battle. In that respect the PGR patch outshines any MC patch as a matter of principle and purpose.

"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"