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Re: 2007 models
ladisney #84225 08/02/2006 8:00 AM
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bush is only 1 heart attack away from being prez.

what's the deficit? $8.2 trillion--
bush is a traitor to all our children—
history will judge us badly for all of bush’s mistakes:

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Who's Counting Bush's Mistakes?
By Stephen Pizzo, February 20, 2006.

Stephen Pizzo is the author of numerous books, including "Inside Job: The Looting of America's Savings and Loans," which was nominated for a Pulitzer.

Given how ambitious and wide-ranging the incompetence of this administration has been, it's high time we started keeping track of its many failures.
Ralph Waldo Emerson said it best, "The louder he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." And no administration in U.S. history has spoken louder, or as often, of its honor.
So let us count our spoons.

Emergency Management: They completely failed to manage the first large-scale emergency since 9/11. Despite all their big talk and hundreds of billions of dollars spent on homeland security over the past four years, this administration proved itself stunningly incompetent when faced with an actual emergency. (Katrina Relief Funds Squandered)

Fiscal Management: America is broke. No wait, we're worse than broke. In less than five years these borrow and spend-thrifts have nearly doubled our national debt, to a stunning $8.2 trillion. These are not your father's Republicans who treated public dollars as though they were an endangered species. These Republicans waste money in ways and in quantities that make those old tax and spend liberals of yore look like tight-fisted Scots.
This administration is so incompetent that you can just throw a dart at the front page of your morning paper and whatever story of importance it hits will prove my point.
Katrina relief: Eleven thousand spanking new mobile homes sinking into the Arkansas mud. Seems no one in the administration knew there were federal and state laws prohibiting trailers in flood zones. Oops. That little mistake cost you $850 million -- and counting.

Medicare Drug Program: This $50 billion white elephant debuted by trampling many of those it was supposed to save. The mess forced states to step in and try to save its own citizens from being killed by the administration's poorly planned and executed attempt to privatize huge hunks of the federal health safety net.
Afghanistan: Good managers know that in order to pocket the gains of a project, you have to finish it. This administration started out fine in Afghanistan. They had the Taliban and al Queda on the run and Osama bin Laden trapped in a box canyon. Then they were distracted by a nearby shiney object -- Iraq. We are now $75 billion out of pocket in Afghanistan and its sitting president still rules only within the confines of the nation's capital. Tribal warlords, the growing remnants of the Taliban and al Qaeda call the shots in the rest of the county.

Iraq: This ill-begotten war was supposed to only cost us $65 billion. It has now cost us over $300 billion and continues to suck $6 billion a month out of our children's futures. Meanwhile the three warring tribes Bush "liberated" are using our money and soldiers' lives to partition the country. The Shiites and Kurds are carving out the prime cuts while treating the once-dominant Sunnis the same way the Israelis treat the Palestinians, forcing them onto Iraq's version of Death Valley. Meanwhile Iran is increasingly calling the shots in the Shiite region as mullahs loyal to Iran take charge. (More)

Iran: The administration not only jinxed its Afghanistan operations by attacking Iraq, but also provided Iran both the rationale for and time to move toward nuclear weapons. The Bush administration's neocons' threats to attack Syria next only provided more support for religious conservatives within Iran who argued U.S. intentions in the Middle East were clear, and that only the deterrent that comes with nuclear weapons could protect them.

North Korea: Ditto. Also add to all the above the example North Korea set for Iran. Clearly once a country possesses nukes, the U.S. drops the veiled threats and wants to talk.

Social Programs: It's easier to get affordable -- even free -- American-style medical care, paid for with American dollars, if you are injured in Iraq, Afghanistan or are victims of a Pakistani earthquake, than if you live and pay taxes in the good old U.S.A. Nearly 50 million Americans can't afford medical insurance. Nevertheless the administration has proposed a budget that will cut $40 billion from domestic social programs, including health care for the working poor. The administration is quick to say that those services will be replaced by its "faith-based" programs. Not so fast...
"Despite the Bush administration's rhetorical support for religious charities, the amount of direct federal grants to faith-based organizations declined from 2002 to 2004, according to a major new study released yesterday....The study released yesterday "is confirmation of the suspicion I've had all along, that what the faith-based initiative is really all about is de-funding social programs and dumping responsibility for the poor on the charitable sector," said Kay Guinane, director of the nonprofit advocacy program at OMB Watch.." (More)

The Military: Overused and over-deployed.
Former Defense Secretary William Perry and former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright warned in a 15-page report that the Army and Marine Corps cannot sustain the current operational tempo without "doing real damage to their forces." ... Speaking at a news conference to release the study, Albright said she is "very troubled" the military will not be able to meet demands abroad. Perry warned that the strain, "if not relieved, can have highly corrosive and long-term effects on the military. (More)
With military budgets gutted by the spiraling costs of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, the administration has requested funding for fewer National Guard troops in fiscal 2007 -- 17,000 fewer. Which boggles the sane mind since, if it weren't for reserve/National Guard, the administration would not have had enough troops to rotate forces in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Nearly 40 percent of the troops sent to those two countries were from the reserve and National Guard.

The Environment: Here's a little pop quiz: What happens if all the coral in the world's oceans dies? Answer: Coral is the first rung on the food-chain ladder; so when it goes, everything else in the ocean dies. And if the oceans die, we die.
The coral in the world's oceans are dying (called "bleaching") at an alarming and accelerating rate. Global warming is the culprit. Nevertheless, this administration continues as the world's leading global warming denier. Why? Because they seem to feel it's more cost effective to be dead than to force reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. How stupid is that? And time is running out.

Trade: We are approaching a $1 trillion annual trade deficit, most of it with Asia, $220 billion with just China -- just last year.
Energy: Record high energy prices. Record energy company profits. Dick Cheney's energy task force meetings remain secret. Need I say more?

Consumers: Americans finally did it last year -- they achieved a negative savings rate. (Folks in China save 10 percent, for contrast.) If the government can spend more than it makes and just say "charge it" when it runs out, so can we. The average American now owes $9,000 to credit card companies. Imagine that.

Human Rights: America now runs secret prisons and a secret judicial system that would give Kafka fits. And the U.S. has joined the list of nations that tortures prisioners of war. (Shut up George! We have pictures!)
I could go on for another 1,000 words listing the stunning incompetence of the Bush administration and its GOP sycophants in Congress. But what's the use? No seems to give a fig. The sun continues to shine in this fool's paradise. House starts were up in January. The stock market is finally back over 11,000.
But don't bother George W. Bush with any of this. While seldom right, he is never in doubt. Doubt is Bush's enemy. Worry? How can he worry when he has no doubts?
Me? Well, I worry about all the above, all the time. But in particular, I worry about coral.

Stephen Pizzo is the author of numerous books, including "Inside Job: The Looting of America's Savings and Loans," which was nominated for a Pulitzer.


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Re: 2007 models
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Did I mention I got my America back? Ahhhh, the sweet joy of being on 2 wheels again...

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Ride on Dood! Start racking up the mileage and don't look back!


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This fight would be a lot more fun over sodas and cigars. Are you going to Baxter Cycles big weekend in Marne on the 19th and 20th?


We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
Re: 2007 models
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Cat, I commend you on your article and the research to find it. Now watch out for the threaders who think if you speak negatively about the current administration you are some type of liberal leftist. Sorry my only issue is how the American people and the world will deal reap the consequences of 8 years of Bush. Oh I don’t think any one mentioned hanging chads. Oh Hillary this, that. Oh then there is Bush Sr. on Al Gore, "we will be up to our necks in owls" I believe Al stated to watch for global warming and shortages of oil and gasoline. OH yea just pre bought oil for upcoming winter $2.69 per gal. And Exxon Mobile made 10 billion in profits last quarter $111,111,111.12 A DAY.
FOR THE MATHEMATICALLY CHALLENGE:
ONE HUNDRED ELEVEN MILLION, ONE HUNDRED ELEVEN THOUSAND, ONE HUNDRED ELEVEN DOLLARS AND TWELVE CENTS. A DAY PROFIT, A DAY. Like I said b4 lets get together in 10 years and discuss the legacy of the Bush administration.

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WHAT DID HE DO RIGHT? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE. OH YEA I LIKE A PRESIDENT WHO FEELS HE IS DONG THE WORK OF GOD. TO CHANGE THE MIDDLE EAST. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS A FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION. ILLEGAL WIRE TAPS. THE FACT THAT WE ARE A FREE SOCIETY PLACES AT GREATER RISK AND IS WHY MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN GIVEN LATITUDE WITH THE USE OF MILITARY FORCE. FANATICS ARE EVERYWHERE, GET THIS, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS, JUST AS ALL AMERICANS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS. BUT THEIR DICHOTOMOUS HATRED PLACES THE STABILITY OF OUR AND OUR CHILDREN FUTURE AT RISK.

Re: 2007 models
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Re: 2007 models
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It's all bushes fault! Bush is Hitler! My oil prices are too high! Terrorists would go away if it weren't for Bush! Bush listens to me phone sex my sister!

Wah Wah Wah.

Did I tell you guys my bike is back on the road?

Re: 2007 models
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Bush listens to me phone sex my sister!




Uhmm, that's kinda creepy dood, that probably quaalifies as TMI


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Re: 2007 models
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Exxon Mobil's record profits are a result of our (yes OUR - we are included) consumption without regard to price. Simple economics. There is too much demand chasing a limited supply. They are charging what the market will bear. $3.19 last fill up for regular. I looked around and saw three large SUV's that were filling up. Probably in the 12 to 15 MPG range. I cannot blame the oil companies for making money when the population is willing to pay their price. The only thing that worries me is that the rest of the companies out there who have been holding their prices on bread, shoes, whatever are thinking price increases. The overall inflationary effect can be chilling.

All of this in my humble opinion and with limited intellect...


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Re: 2007 models
Martlet #84235 08/02/2006 1:33 PM
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Ohh a bloody nuff already!! Bush is a temporary problem, as the Zen laxative says, "This too shall pass." When you talk politics, its like the weather, just wait, it'll change. The
bad is not as bad as the screaming worrier says, and the good is not a good as the chest thumping braggart declares.
Is America a great country? Well, more people immigrate here
every year than other country and less people emmigrate (per
capita) than any other country.
I do like the idea of the 'Elvis', but Priscilla would want too much for use of the name.


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Re: 2007 models
Jonathan #84236 08/02/2006 2:06 PM
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Jonathan,

Trust me, Dude! The shouting doesn't work either, as those who've been here awhile can attest to.(you should have read some of MY tirades about "our beloved leader" a few months back....you're a PIKER compared to ME, kid!!!)

BUT, the ONLY thing you're going to succeed in doing if you continue with THIS tactic, will be to invite the wrath and scorn of those "true believers" who frequent this site.

SOOOOOO, my suggestion is(and it's seemed to work juuuuuust a liiiittle bit better since I've resorted to it) is to use as much SARCASM and INNUENDO(subtlety's b*stard step-children) as much as humanly possible, in order to get whatever point across to those whom you're trying to reach.(ESPECIALLY at a MOTORCYCLE WEBSITE...an environment NOT neccessarily known to be a HOTBED of LIBERAL politics)

TRUST ME! The people around here are smarter than you give 'em credit for. They'll pick up on your scorn for "certain things" reeeeeeally quickly, if you'll just preface your comments with those TWO afformentioned tactics!

Unfortunately though, you'll ALSO be known around here as one of the resident "ICONOCLASTS"(according to Mr.Webster..."a person who attacks cherished beliefs..or..a person who destroy images used in religious worship[esp. hist.]in the 8th and 9th century churches in the East")

Cheers,
Dwight
(look kid....I'd like to have a friggin' NICKEL for every time somebody around here ACTUALLY AGREES with me about somethin', and they'll start their little missives with.."I CAN'T believe I'm saying this, but I agree with DWIGHT about[fill in the blank]"....but don't worry kid, THAT gets FUN after a while TOO)


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
Re: 2007 models
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WHAT DID HE DO RIGHT? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE. OH YEA I LIKE A PRESIDENT WHO FEELS HE IS DONG THE WORK OF GOD. TO CHANGE THE MIDDLE EAST. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS A FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION. ILLEGAL WIRE TAPS. THE FACT THAT WE ARE A FREE SOCIETY PLACES AT GREATER RISK AND IS WHY MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN GIVEN LATITUDE WITH THE USE OF MILITARY FORCE. FANATICS ARE EVERYWHERE, GET THIS, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS, JUST AS ALL AMERICANS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS. BUT THEIR DICHOTOMOUS HATRED PLACES THE STABILITY OF OUR AND OUR CHILDREN FUTURE AT RISK.




So. Is this "Bad Kool Aid" you drank endemic to your homestate? I trust it is. There are some conservatives in your state though. Seek them out and learn from them...or

Ya need to move out further west ....west of the Mississippi and east of the peoples rebublik of Kalifornia and breathe some real air and smell some of the good Kool Aid.

It'll change your life. I promise. We can reeducate you. We can rebuild you born again in the true colors of Americana. (that'd be red white and blue for the color challenged liberal elite)

Ya dont have to be religious or anything just learn to love your country. Its not hard if ya try.

Heck , you can be gay or anything...no matter as long as you learn to love it or leave it (your country that is)

or ya can just keep poopin in your own bed. Its a free country after all.

We will save your keister for ya when they come for you.


"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"
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Let me GUESS..."BARRY"!!! All these past many months we've really been communicating around here with G.GORDON LIDDY...RIGHT???!!!




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No, Dwight. I suppose I have one more confession to make, and perhaps the time is right. I am actually John Bloor.




Okay, pipedr....er, MISTER Bloor!

As I noted earlier in this thread...then WHAT'S UP with "the look" of that there ROCKET III???

I'm tellin' ya, dude....er, MATE(I'll try to keep it a bit more "british" for ya, OKAY?!)...YOU REALLY NEED MY GUIDANCE in the AESTHETICS department, ESPECIALLY when it comes to motorcycles designed MAINLY for the american market!!!

In other words, next year, after I retire from this downwardly mobile world of the airline biz, YOU need to hire my butt! 'CUZ buddy....er, I mean gov'na, some of your fellow LIMEYS over there are just a little bit off in their assessments as to what americans are lookin' for in their MONSTERLY-SIZED(MOST americana I might add) two-wheeled conveyances!!!

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2. The shutting down of the original site - I did this to upgrade to our in-house surveilance system programming.

With all sincerity,
JB




And YEP! I KNEW IT! I KNEW that I was being WATCHED, since Robert....er, YOU changed to this new format!!!

Cheers,
Dwight
(but this new aluminum.....er, sorry...this aluminIum foil hat of mine helps tremendously with this problematic intrusion of yours)


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Personally, I like bush. George W, and, the fur...nevermind


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I don't mind Bush being shoved in my face either..........


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Hey you guys, with all this Bush talking you may all have missed this.

Martlet got his bike back.

Who is this Bush fellow you all seem to love so much anyway, is he a bike designer.


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So. Is this "Bad Kool Aid" you drank endemic to your homestate? I trust it is. There are some conservatives in your state though. Seek them out and learn from them...or




LEARN????!!!!! Yep! And I hear tell, that y'all is learnin' your younguns back there about "Intelligent Design" TOO!

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Ya need to move out further west ....west of the Mississippi and east of the peoples rebublik of Kalifornia and breathe some real air and smell some of the good Kool Aid.





NOW do ya see how this here "sarcasm thing" works, Jonathan?! Unfortunately, it seems the "heartland" has learned about this here tactic now TOO!(but don't worry...they're ALWAYS a few ticks BEHIND, ya know)

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It'll change your life. I promise. We can reeducate you. We can rebuild you born again....




BORN AGAIN???!!! Psst! Don't look now Larry, but your Bible is showing, sticking out of your back pocket there, Dude!

Cheers,
Dwight
(Okay PHIL.....PLEASE LOCK this friggin' thread.....I CAN'T STOP LAUGHIN'....THIS IS KILLIN' ME!!!!....I'm TELLIN' YA dude, you've JUST GOT to start a "Comedy/Politics/..oh, and maybe Religion" Forum)


Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Larry,

Yeah I am going to Baxters, for sure that Saturday. How 'bout you? I hope to ride but I just had knee sugery and haven't been riding. Doc says to try it out next week.

I went last year with a couple of guys from Omaha I met and one wase riding an old trident 1975 and the other a Norton 850. They were really screwin' it down. I kept up easy enough on the Speedy, and i think it kind of surprised them.


I might be in Des Moines the 8/11-13 to see a friend there. Still have that vetter?

The summer's been a bit of a bummer with the bad knee and very little riding since the end od June.
Maybe that's why I've been so cantankerous?

Whaaaa.

Cat


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Unfortunately though, you'll ALSO be known around here as one of the resident "ICONOCLASTS"





Can we get badges, or patches, or or special avatars


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Tell me what time you'll be there on Saturday. I'll buy you a pop and we can duke it out. Yes, still have the Vetter, I can make you such a deal. Call me when you hit town and I'll show it to you if you're interested. Maybe hit the brew pub. Aug 11-13, right during State Fair time.


We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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WHAT DID HE DO RIGHT? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE. OH YEA I LIKE A PRESIDENT WHO FEELS HE IS DONG THE WORK OF GOD. TO CHANGE THE MIDDLE EAST. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS A FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS AND FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION. ILLEGAL WIRE TAPS. THE FACT THAT WE ARE A FREE SOCIETY PLACES AT GREATER RISK AND IS WHY MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE BEEN GIVEN LATITUDE WITH THE USE OF MILITARY FORCE. FANATICS ARE EVERYWHERE, GET THIS, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS, JUST AS ALL AMERICANS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS. BUT THEIR DICHOTOMOUS HATRED PLACES THE STABILITY OF OUR AND OUR CHILDREN FUTURE AT RISK.




So. Is this "Bad Kool Aid" you drank endemic to your homestate? I trust it is. There are some conservatives in your state though. Seek them out and learn from them...or

Ya need to move out further west ....west of the Mississippi and east of the peoples rebublik of Kalifornia and breathe some real air and smell some of the good Kool Aid.

It'll change your life. I promise. We can reeducate you. We can rebuild you born again in the true colors of Americana. (that'd be red white and blue for the color challenged liberal elite)

Ya dont have to be religious or anything just learn to love your country. Its not hard if ya try.

Heck , you can be gay or anything...no matter as long as you learn to love it or leave it (your country that is)

or ya can just keep poopin in your own bed. Its a free country after all.

We will save your keister for ya when they come for you.




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BUT, the ONLY thing you're going to succeed in doing if you continue with THIS tactic, will be to invite the wrath and scorn of those "true believers" who frequent this site.




LOOK, LOOK. There's one now!!!

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bigbill #84247 08/02/2006 11:59 PM
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I'd kinda like to see someone actually try and answer Jonathan. So far all you've done is belittle him and condescend to him. Granted he seems a bit hysterical, what with all the capital letters and all, but you guys aren't even trying. This society used to be about discourse and debate (wasn't it?), now it's reduced to demonizing the opposition and digging in ones heels.


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FriarJohn #84248 08/03/2006 12:17 AM
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I don't know if that was directed at me John, but I agree with Jonathan.
I was belittling and condescending to Kevin .


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I'd kinda like to see someone actually try and answer Jonathan. So far all you've done is belittle him and condescend to him. Granted he seems a bit hysterical, what with all the capital letters and all, but you guys aren't even trying. This society used to be about discourse and debate (wasn't it?), now it's reduced to demonizing the opposition and digging in ones heels.




I would FJ, but I've found it is as useful as trying to reason with the nuts at moveon.org Somewhat like masturbation, it may feel good but it's ultimately unsatisfying and not productive.


We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
Re: 2007 models
ladisney #84250 08/03/2006 12:33 AM
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A BIT hysterical? That's funny. Discourse and debate is good, but the shouting, soapbox crap isnt really discourse or debate material. Cat, if he wasnt so broad with publishing someone else's views, but perhaps started with one or two points from the long piece, that would facilitate conversation in this type of forum.


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Re: 2007 models
ladisney #84251 08/03/2006 12:34 AM
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There's another one!!!!


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HeneryHawk #84252 08/03/2006 12:38 AM
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A BIT hysterical? That's funny. Discourse and debate is good, but the shouting, soapbox crap isnt really discourse or debate material. Cat, if he wasnt so broad with publishing someone else's views, but perhaps started with one or two points from the long piece, that would facilitate conversation in this type of forum.




I'm not too sure about this one. Hmmmmm, Doesn't display the usual hysterical paranoia.
Could still be, but seems a bit more moderate than the typical alpha fanatic.


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Re: Dropping the America name? (was 2007 models)
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Ah, Mr. Bloor, er, may I call you John? Or Barry? Oh, nevermind.....

Anyway, since you missed some of our group rides, and then on one occasion appeared out of nowhere to meet us in W.Va., I must admit that myself and the rest of our group were starting to question if you really were "Barry" from "Finleyville". Now, it all makes sense....

While some of us may feel betrayed, even abused, I would ask you to try to assuage our injured egos by answering the one burning question that has been tormenting the entire membership since the beginning............






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Deon #84254 08/03/2006 1:49 AM
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In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview.

When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America, he said:

"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... and how many want out."


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Jonathan #84255 08/03/2006 1:52 AM
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My air conditioner died today...Damn you George Bush...My Dog is ugly...Damn you George Bush...I,like Hank Hill have a small urethra... Damn you George Bush...My trailer blew over in the storm... Damn you George Bush...I live in connecticut... Damn you George Bush...The whole world loved us before you were president... Damn you George Bush...It's nice that everyone has someone to blame it all on...The next president we get is just gonna hear the crap from the other side,so why do we all waste time with this bullshi...Nobody on this site is gonna do anything to change the world ... work on your block ...your town... whatever...It's easy to complain...It's hard to shut up and do something...God Bless America

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Jonathan #84256 08/03/2006 5:18 AM
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You can thank Mr. Bush and how the rest of the world feels about America, as to why the line (name) is being dropped. Its tragic. Triumph wants to continue their global market, and anything “America” is poison in to many people and countries.




Bush is like all humans, who have plenty of faults, but it really is simple...the non-stop Bush blaming from our Media and fellow Americans who can't think for themselves is about one thing...$...and those not in power (Democrat politicians) wanting to get into power.

"Define: 1. sore loser
A sore loser is someone who loses in a fair competition but whines about it on a constant basis, blaming everyone around them for their loss except themselves. Fun to taunt, but no fun to play with."

When Hilliary gets elected, I suppose she can focus our US agenda on making other counties "like us".


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Re: Dropping the America name? (was 2007 models)
dmillikan #84257 08/03/2006 5:57 AM
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And you gus have nothing better to write about?

there is enough politics everywhere and we should keep this site free of it !!!

just my two cents pennies eurocents and groszy

someone should think twice before will start again this stupid writing about nothing


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Grzegorz #84258 08/03/2006 7:11 AM
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Gore won in 2000 by half a million votes?

would Bush ride a Triumph or a Hardly?

I win.

hahaha

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BonnyBeemer #84259 08/03/2006 7:20 AM
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In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview.

When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America, he said:

"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... and how many want out."




This morning in the UK the BBC announced that in a survey they found that 'the majority' of British people wanted to live abroad and had seriously considered emigratng.

13% said they are going in the 'near future'. This is double the figure since 2003.

25% of 'younger' Brits want to leave soon. They want a better quality of life and better weather. They also said the UK was 'too expensive'.

12% did not like 'what the UK had become'.

The most popular destinations were: Australia, Spain, New Zealand and the US.

a record 350,000 brits left in 2004, 33% more than 10 years ago.

How long has Tony Blair been in charge ? - since 1997 - Almost 10 years ! now don't that tell you something.

Probably the biggest complaint is the EEC - it has takes an ever increasing percentage of the GNP and is rotten to the core with corruption. Next is the unwillingness and inability of the government to takle illegal immigration and then the Human Rights laws that seem to protect the rights of the criminal and penalise the good guy.

Sleaze is another issue. Members of the government (and opposition) seem to believe that they are not restrained by moral or legal standards and can do what they like. Tony Blair has defended so many people for gross misconduct or inappropriate actions, but they all come back a few months later with better paid jobs and more power. They are even trying to change the freedom of information act, refusing to give information on 'cost ' grounds, to deter the people from finding out about their corruption.

So - chill out - we ( the voters ) in 'the West' have lost the war along with those in the East, North and South.

All Politicians, Dictators and Royalty pee in the same pot, and are on the gravy train and unless they pi** of the other members of the exclusive 'club' will always find a bolt hole to live out the rest of their days in luxury.

Whatever happened to Noreaga ?

SHE ARRIVES TOMMORROW AT HIGH NOON.

Do not forsake me oh my darlin'
on this our wedding day.....
for I must face the Speedmaster Guys who hate me.....

You male Speedmaster guy's have to have 'Civil Partnership' with your macho male Bikes and can only 'respect' each other in the eyes of the law.

Us male America owners can love and cherish ours and we are sanctioned in the eyes of the God AND Country !


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Re: Dropping the America name? (was 2007 models)
Brummie #84260 08/03/2006 8:31 AM
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Sometimes you just feel like taking on little challenges. For me, I read this entire thread! I agree with every single post 110%

Wow, glad that is settled.


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Brummie #84261 08/03/2006 10:39 AM
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.... So - chill out - we ( the voters ) in 'the West' have lost the war along with those in the East, North and South.

All Politicians, Dictators and Royalty pee in the same pot, and are on the gravy train and unless they pi** of the other members of the exclusive 'club' will always find a bolt hole to live out the rest of their days in luxury.




Excellent post Brummie!

Now that, is one of the most intelligent pieces of political analysis I have seen written anywhere recently.

How on earth anyone can actually look up to and be inspired by these monkeys, is really beyond me.


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Bedouin #84262 08/03/2006 1:39 PM
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As a recovering Liberal, a former Democrat (now Republican) and one who knows a few higher-ups in our state Democratic Party, I can tell you what is going on here.
Most of the leaders of the Democratic party are trial lawyers. Typically, trial lawyers do not care about the innocense of their client (the Democratic Party in this case), only that they get acquited. To do this they employ this tactic:
1) acknowledge and promote only the 'facts' that lead to your clients acquital - in other words, make your side look really logical.
2) discredit the other side by making him (the Republicans) look very illogical by using ad hominum attacks to demonize him.
3) never allow facts that might criminalize your client to arise.
4) when accused of using this legal tactic, accuse the other side of using it first.
Never do you let an honest discussion take place, nor do you ever consider facts that might look good for your opponent. In this way you gain the unwavering allegiance of the jury (Jonathan). All political leaders should be open to criticism, our nation depends on it, but the assaults by the Democrats have not added to the discussion, they only emotionalize it.


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Re: Dropping the America name? (was 2007 models)
Bedouin #84263 08/03/2006 2:40 PM
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How on earth anyone can actually look up to and be inspired by these monkeys, is really beyond me.




Well Bedouin, the problem is that they are the ones we have chosen to lead. It doesn't mean they are smart, well informed, correct in their judgment or even honest. But they were elected. As a former elected official who knows a lot of former and current elected officials, I will say that most, though certainly not all, are doing the best they can. If we disagree with what is going on we have a right, even a duty, to voice that disagreement. If no one is representing our opinion then we should support candidates who will, or even run for office ourselves (that is how I got involved, they just pi$$ed me off) But if only “monkeys” run for, or are elected to, public office then the person responsible is the one we see in the mirror each morning.

Honest disagreement and debate is what a free society needs to remain free. Unfortunately, some have found that their arguments do not carry sufficient force, or resonate with enough people, for them to win the day and they have resorted to other means. Ad hominum attacks, twisting the facts, demonizing their opponents, rewriting history and outright lies. While I agree with the old saying “Politics ain’t beanbag,” certain practices are corrosive to society and the democratic process. When partisans start saying that their domestic opposition is worse than terrorists, when they start associating with avowed foreign enemies or cheering on terrorists who attack a democratic ally, they need to be disavowed by all sides and excluded from the political process.

As much as I dislike the politics of some elected officials, past and present, I will not assume they are evil and corrupt just because I disagree with them. Ascribing evil motives and negative personal characteristics to those with whom I disagree poisons the debate and makes honest discussion impossible. Unfortunately in this media saturated environment some politicians have had great success doing just that. Every time a prominent politician goes on TV and howls that those with whom he disagrees are not merely wrong but guilty of all manner of knavery, treachery, hatred, and corruption they are debasing the democratic process and damaging the republic.


We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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ladisney #84264 08/03/2006 3:34 PM
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If elections changed anything, Governments would abolish them. Show me an honest politician and I'll show you a Speedmaster that's better than an America !


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