I agree with you. I've had this "discussion" here before. A lot of the folks around here like to bash Harleys and Harley riders, they all come back to the riders attitude, but I must say that the majority of the members that post here , are the ones with the real attitude, even the ones who never owned or even rode a Harley, I'm one of those that believe in let those who ride decide, whether it be helmet laws , or the brand that they decide to spend there own $ on, Things in life are subjective, so to say your better or your bikes better, seems to me kind of like a bully at school, pick on the other guy to make yourself feel better. I too belong to Harley forums and have NEVER seen them bashing other peoples bikes, Oh well whatever floats your boat, like my dad used to say about people who picked on other peoples choices, maybe they're trying to make up for their "short comings". Let those who ride decide.