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The Copperhead is the most common venomous snake found in the Eastern US. It is also known by the name "Highland Moccasin." As a species, it belongs to the genus "Agkistrodon" which also includes the Cottonmouth, also known as the "Water Moccasin".
During the American Civil War of the 1860’s there was another meaning for the term.
Copperheads: In the American Civil War, a reproachful term for those Northerners sympathetic to the South, mostly Democrats outspoken in their opposition to the Lincoln administration. They were especially strong in Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio, where Clement L. Vallandigham was their leader. The Knights of the Golden Circle was a Copperhead secret society. The term was often applied indiscriminately to all Democrats who opposed the administration. It afforded an opportunity for impugning the loyalty of those who opposed Lincoln’s policies, either military or civil (e.g., the suspension of habeas corpus), and it was not until years after the Civil War that the Democratic party succeeded in living down the association.
It seems there is a modern variant of the Copperhead that delights in opposing the current administration in all matters regardless of the situation, including situations where that require them to side with those who would destroy the Republic. I propose these people henceforth be called by their proper name “Copperheads.â€Â
They know who they are.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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It would seem that things may be a bit easier for these "copperheads" of today since members of the current administration are so likely to make "asps" of themselves.
I'm sorry. I don't even want to take part in this - But I'd be damned if somebody was going to beat me to one that easy.
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Pipedr - Your just like my daughter...she likes the Asp because when I get on her for calling someone an "asp" she says "oh but Daddy, I said asp not ***" very clever there young man.............and yes ,,,to all,,,desent is a foundation of our Republic but I agree...don't cut your nose off to spite your own face" which many on the left find great glee in doing.
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Absolutely Larry!!!
This way you never have to respond to anything that shows the dark side of fringe politics (at least not the right fringe). All you have to do is say "OH, copperhead, ignore him". It's another version of the typical personal attacks that the Republican party has taken on as S.O.P. so they can try to deflect criticisim or opposition to their policies.
Of course I would expect nothing more.
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Personal Attacks? Come on, grow some. The Clintons were the very definition of personal attacks, and the Party of the ****** has adopted that mantra fully, as your response demonstrates.This is a deflection, it is an identification of what you stand for, thus ets cut to the chase in the conversation, eliminate the grandstanding, and try to work on solutions, not live on the mistaken belief that opposition in and of itself is a solution.
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Censorship for a word that defines an animal, or body part? Cute. I will thus refer to them as the POA ( Party of the A**).
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Gee that's pretty funny HenryHawk, I guess you must just glaze over Larrys posts. I heard some conservative on Fox a week or two ago whining about how tough the media and the Democrats are on the President. I thought Elephants had better memories, cause obviously the GOP has completely forgotten about the almost non-stop investigation and attacks on Clinton during his 2 terms. The sword cuts both ways...
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After all, who does he think he is responding to politically motivated lies thrown at the administration by government employees using their positions to make partisan attacks? Funny how lefties get their panties all in a twist over poor innocent Valerie Plame being outed for sending her husband out to do a political hatchet job, but they have no problem with the New York Times acting as the intelligence arm of Al Queda.
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I notice no substantive response, typical.
One, where is there any evidence that these "attacks" were politically motivated, or is that the automatic charge which seems to be tossed out these days at ANY questioning or criticism of the administration. Seems that way, you're either unpatriotic, or a political hack!
Two, while Larry criticizes Bigbill for lack of substantiative content, in a great majority of his rebuttals, there is no substantiative content either, only a diversion to another subject, or labeling of anyone on the "left". Unfortunately, the Ann Coulter/Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh(when he's not in rehab) approach seems to be the typical type of response that the current administration prefers, to slander any opposition, or just simply ignore the criticism and try to draw attention to another subject. It's funny to hear the conservatives on this board SLAM the current administration for basically opening the borders to anyone and everyone from Mexico (a huge threat to our National Security) while still providing NO substantiative reinforcement of the Border, and then in the next breath attack anyone who opposes or questions the administration as if anything that the Administration does is untouchable or beyond reproach. If that is the case, why are SO many people in this country moving away from supporting the President, to the point that even Republicans up for reelection are distancing themselves from the President or declining to meet with him when he passes through their states during elections.
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So basicly the modern "Copperhead" is any democrat that opposes Geoerge Bush just because they want to whether or not Bush is right or wrong. But, here is my favorite modern Copperhead. It is the car that Dodge should have made.  Soren
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It seems there is a modern variant of the Copperhead that delights in opposing the current administration in all matters regardless of the situation, including situations where that require them to side with those who would destroy the Republic. I propose these people henceforth be called by their proper name “Copperheads.â€Â
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The term was often applied indiscriminately to all Democrats who opposed the administration. It afforded an opportunity for impugning the loyalty of those who opposed Lincoln’s policies
Funny how history repeats itself, huh Larry? Question or criticize the Administration or the War, and instantly, you lack any credibility or patriotism or morals. Case in point, as soon as Murtha voiced his opposition to the War in Congress, his opposition was not met with a debate about facts, but rather an immediate attack on his Patriotism. Everything from being called an embarrassment to the Corps, to an subversive who, along with Michael Moore and the NY Times, was trying to help Al Queda defeat America.
Hey, I vehemently oppose Bush's "Guest Worker" program and refusal to put any MEANINGFUL security on the Borders and in the Ports, BOTH of which I see as a threat to our security (and one or the other of which I see as being shown to be a crucial factor in the success of any future 9/11 type attack on the US, should it come!), so if that makes me a Copperhead, I wear the title proudly!
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So from 92-2000 would Rush Linbaugh and his followers have been copperheads? They disagreed with every single thing the dems did. Or does it only apply to democrats?
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A copperhead would be someone that opposes the current administration just because. If you oppose something from the current administration and have reasons for it (not just because) than that does not make you a copperhead. There are several things that I dissagree with, but I have reasons for it.
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So from 92-2000 would Rush Linbaugh and his followers have been copperheads? They disagreed with every single thing the dems did. Or does it only apply to democrats?
The simple answer, "Yes". Because, of course, the premise is that everything the Republican Party does is in our best interest and is right, which means everything the Democratic Party does (unless they agree with the Republicans) is wrong, and MUST be motivated by political desire to discredit the Republicans. It may not be what is said openly, but it is most certainly the underlying sentiment in everything that is said publicly. Some people describe that sentiment as self-righteousness.
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So what would be an objection with no reason? Who determines if the reason for the objection is valid?
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WELL, IT AIN'T ME. I voted for the bafoon. I also voted for Carter. When he left office, our GNP was the highest in history. Since I thought he was backless, I chose Reagan the next time because I, like him, didn't leave the democratic party - the democratic party left me.
The next 12 years nearly sent this country to ruin economically, so I went with Clinton twice and things were good (well, except for the cigar - i swore off cigars).
Everyone listen!!!: When you get to that level of politics - you are not a very nice person.
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Soren, that is a beautiful car! lmao
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Personal Attacks? Come on, grow some. The Clintons were the very definition of personal attacks, and the Party of the ****** has adopted that mantra fully, as your response demonstrates.This is a deflection, it is an identification of what you stand for, thus ets cut to the chase in the conversation, eliminate the grandstanding, and try to work on solutions, not live on the mistaken belief that opposition in and of itself is a solution.
You remind me of a friend of mine. During Bill Clinton's presidency, whenever I would criticize him, this friend would respond with something about Reagan. Some people ,like you apparently, seem to be completely unable to separate the present from the past. Here's a news flash for you:
Bill Clinton is no longer president!! This board wasn't around then or you would have seen my observations about his administration. Every loyal citizen of this country has the responsibility to hold the leaders to an acceptable standard, and bring to light the shortcomings. Do not confuse loyal opposition for disloyalty to the country. Consider what some of our past leaders have said about this:
May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
Criticism in a time of war is essential to the maintenance of any kind of democratic government.
~Sen. Robert Taft, (R) Ohio
Don't regard yourself as a guardian of freedom unless you respect and preserve the rights of people you disagree with...
~Gerard K. O'Neill
Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official...
~Theodore Roosevelt
As soon as you start playing partisan politics to the fanatic level that some people do, you've become part of the problem. If you have something intelligent to add in support of the current administration, please do so. But spare me the "Clinton was an arsehole" bit. That is irrelevant to the current situation.
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Two, while Larry criticizes Bigbill for lack of substantiative content,
Only because he can't stand real substance.
Thanks for pointing out the rights definition of debate  .
You know, however, they still won't get it  .
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I also voted for Carter. When he left office, our GNP was the highest in history. Since I thought he was backless,
Me too. I don't think he's backless. I just don't think he's evil enough to play the political game. Jimmy Carter is the best former President we've ever had.
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It seems there is a modern variant of the Copperhead that delights in opposing the current administration in all matters regardless of the situation, including situations where that require them to side with those who would destroy the Republic.
And then there's the flip side:
It seems there is a modern variant..... that delights in supporting the current administration in all matters regardless of the situation, including situations where that require them to side with those who would destroy the Republic.
We can call them Brownheads.
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Copperheads. MODERN Copperheads. Excellent. I shall adopt this fine usage of the term immediately. They do know who they are.  Those who would hate to the degree that they will embolden the enemies of the state (external) to the degree at some point they represent an hostile fifth column. The main stream media does all it can to aid, abet, and proliferate a fifth column hostile to these United States. Except of course Rush. Rush is as always.....RIGHT for the right. And Hannity. Good guys those.
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Except of course Rush. Rush is as always.....RIGHT for the right. And Hannity.
Oh.
The Brownheads.
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DON'T RE-ELECT ANYONE!!!
Amen!!! Even John McCain, who I really wanted to win back in 2000 has now become just another Party hack it seems, instead of an independent "what's best for the country, and not the Party" type. I USED to really respect him, but now, I'm not so sure anymore!
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So what would be an objection with no reason? Who determines if the reason for the objection is valid?
For example...
You get people that say, "Bush sucks". You ask them why and they say, "well, he lied". You ask, "what about?" They reply, "About everything". You say, "give me a solid example". They can't, they will usually say, "you know, everything."
It isnt even really about if it is a valid reason or not, but have some facts, have a reason, state a solid view other than you just don't like the guy. Most importantly, instead of just complaining about what someone in power has decided, give an alternate solution. Don't say, "well we just shouldn't have done that".
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Soooo,
Everyone should agree with everyone else.... and if you have no opinion you should be a seargent schultz 'I know nothing', otherwise we will try to denegrate them
Not that I agree or disagree with what 'they' say, but I will defend to the death their right to say it. (where have I heard that before?)
Copperhead? - I think I would be proud to be a copperhead instead of an empty head!
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Well stated comments Soren.
Bayern, look at how my name is spelled. Try to get it correct. Its not too hard, or is it the intent that matters? Of course the Left's love of outcome based education doesnt emphasize spelling, does it? But that explains the dumbing down, doesnt it. Feel good, be stupid.
Some nice little diatribes, yet is seems the point has been missed. I had to get up off the floor a couple of times from sheer laughter at those Jimmy Carter comments. JC spread more viruses than the many that attack Windows daily. The Iran situation has his fingerprints all over it, and the enboldenment of the terrorists is a clear result of his neuter methods that allowed the whole nation to be held hostage ( they believe we lack will, and the present Leftist position sunstantiates that ), what a complete embarassment ( and add to that the abandonment of Vietnam in 75 by a Democrat congress, totally running away from out treaty obligations ). Add in his mismanagement of the military ( over 50 % of ships and aircraft unable to answer the call to duty ), the creation of the Dept of Education, and 20 plus percent interest rates, wow great legacies. Then, post president, he brokers the deal for North Korea, he sho nuff made that a humdinger, didnt he?
The Copperhead tag is so fitting, and could fit any group that decides to oppose for the sake of opposing, not to advance causes. To throw that at the GOP in the 90's is pretty weak, or you all simply have short memories. The GOP took control of the budget, thus forcing balanced budgets, cuts in the deficits, tax restructuring, the overhaul of welfare, the stopping of HillaryCare, and more. Bill Clinton was an excellent politician ( still is ), and recognized where defeat would be and decided to go along with the GOP Contract for America agenda, and in return got cutbacks and military restructuring, a well fought victory on the balance on year that put the Congress on its guard, and more. . So, for now, Copperheads fits the mindless opposition to GW Bush, opposition that doesnt engage in reason other than to oppose. That type of behaviour endangers our nation. As Soren mentioned, opposition that opposes with reason, with explanation, is good, and that is what out govt is set up to thrive on.This other crap is simply a blight to us as citizens, to our nation, and to the rest of the world that relies on us being strong and free.
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Its paramount to support the leadership of ones country when it is locked in combat with an implacable enemy. WW3 was declared on 9/11/01 (soemthing the left is oblivious to) and GD took the fight to the ragheads where they live instead of where we do. We are certainly not safe from any follow on attacks from the followers of the religion of peace but we have made it abundantly clear to any raghead of mildly discerning intelligentsia (if there are any) that we aint playing their game.
They know we will go anywhere we need to go in our efforts to find them and kill them. That is the most important message that has been sent by George Dubya and is the key area of concern that is not comprehended by the Copperheads in this country.
Copperheads have their collective heads buried in the sand rooting around for God knows what.
I agree anyone has a right to be a Copperhead but that in itself represents a degree of emptyheadedness that is completely and totally descriptive of the leadership of the right honorable "opposition." By virtue of assuming the title (copperhead) you make yourself an ally to our enemies.
If you are not with us you are obviously against us. Howard Dean, Ted kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Murtha, and others of that disreputable ilk are all triple stripe copperheads. Snakes with with multiple yellow streaks running down the lengths of their slimy scaled backs.
Even now some of these Copperheads cowards are speaking out against Israel. (even Nancy Pelosi who is, I think, Jewish.)
Its a sickness. The left needs an injection of common sense and an understanding of history.
They fail to see the abject simplicity of our struggle.
Israel for instance lives on a big block in the middle east in the most prosperous and noble house on their block. They are surrounded by other big houses all filled with hostile neighbors who for the last 50 years have been trying to evict the Israelis from their home. To the credit of the noble Israelis they have been understanding of their lesser neighbors and tolerant of them by and large...even when those neighbors let some of their children throw rocks through the bedroom windows and kill some of the children of Israel.
So the surly ignorant lesser neioghbors finally throw a few to many rocks and the Isrealis lose their patience.
Nancy Pelosi and the other big Copperhead variety of snakes cant understand it. They just dont get it.
Liberalism is a disease.
God save us from that variety of bacterial infection!
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HenEry, Just what I'd expect from the Right. If you'd like to imagine that my omission of that "E" was some sort of personal attack, feel free, just like W's greatness, it's all in your head. I'm just not sure what the hell kind of attack that would be(but I'm just a stupid illiterate hack). "OH MY GOD, HE JUST CALLED HIM "HENRY" INSTEAD OF "HENERY"!! CAN YOU BELIEVE THE GALL OF HIM?!"  Of course, I also note that you ASSUME I am some far left supporter and tag me as "stupid", feel free, I consider the source, Henry! OOOPSSSS, did it again, I slandered you by purposely omitting that "E". Funny, you mention stupidity, and JC's legacy of the Department of Education. George W's "No Child Left Behind" hasn't exactly been a blazing success, at least not according to most parents or teachers I talk to (even here in "W" country!) Seems it has put a lot of restrictions and extra requirements on teachers and school districts without providing ANY of the promised funding or support to make those goals achievable (hmmmm, pretty much like the empty promise of support for enforcing the border!) Like I said, feel free to label me or call me names, after all, I'm pretty stupid, so probably it will just go over my head anyhow...
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By the way, the proper two letter abbreviation for is "IL", not "Il", but hey, I'm just a product of that "outcome based education system" in western Illinois, not the fine schools in Chicagoland...
Oh, regarding North Korea, I'd hold my comments about JC until we see anything meaningful from the current administration, since as yet, I see NADA. Of course, given the fact that major business and the administration are practically in bed with Beijing (not only with regard to our trade deficit, but also since Beijing is buying up our National Debt!), I doubt you'll see anything more powerful in dealings with Pyongyang than some tough talk for Fox fans to gobble up.
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Another pointless thread going in a pointless direction. Do ANY of you believe you will change anyone else's minds? Why do you always rise to the bait?
This one is history....
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