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Germany was not entrenched. It was a country at war. Japan was the same. What Dwight was talking about is the insurgency within Iraq. Iraq as a country was defeated, but the ideas such as America as the Great Satan, was not. As I read these posts, the following statistics were just reported. In Iraq they have averaged over 100 killed daily for 2 months. President Bush was just at a conference with the President of Iraq where Bush announced plans to increase the US presence in Baghdad. That is right, finally, he is realizing we have had an inadequate force in Iraq.
In Baghdad, it is not safe to be in public. The Green Zone is the only place officials go.
I read an earlier post where someone said we just need to stay the course. Excuse me, but we are not winning here. Attacks are up 42% over last year and we are sending more troops into the capital city...not a definition of victory.
Additionally, the comparison of GW and Lincoln is a little disingenuous at best. Lincoln had a rebellion to deal with. That is a tad different than attacking another sovereign nation in a preemptive fashion. Afghanistan was one thing, they held and supported the group who attacked us. Iraq DID NOT...yes I am screaming. Why that point is not understood behooves me. NO ONE in power really beleives Iraq was connected to 9-11.
Have we forgotten Colin Powell at the UN telling the world that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? This was the original reason. Then when everyone, including the president, realized this was false, the purpose moved to supporting democracy...ppaalllease. One thing is certain, there are now 1000's more terrorist than there was before the Iraq war. What a shame.
Finally, I have read every post and I find it a little disconcerting that the only way some debate a point is through ad hominem (personal attacks). Stay to the point, and debate the issues, not the people : )



You are as are all liberals sadly uninformed in the truth of History. The only history you see is current REVISIONIST history and of course you have no problem distorting 60 year old history. LOL . Try watching the history channel on WW2 or crack a book and over time you will become enlightened. (i doubt it but we can hope)

Saddam was TERROR personified. Perhaps you choose to forget as do all lefties that the entire congress and senate bought into the war and many of the loudest communist mouthpieces from the left including the loser john skerry who voted for the war bofore he voted against it ......were and are on record supporting the removal of Saddam and regime change in Iraq. The fact that the anti-American left has gone off the charts in terms of its pro-terror rhetoric since the first inkling of something bad happening in Iraq is proof of the duplicity and lack of patriotism of the left. (Imagine a war that goes perfectly...LOL) lets make fun of our troops and vilify our own country ...Oh joy isnt this fun?

Oh and by the way have all you lefties forgot about the sovereign nations that Iraq attacked over the years? Doh!

Did you all forget there complete lack of cooperation with the UN sanctions and weapons inspection programs for years after the first Gulf war!? Did you forget the lackof cooperation as to the no fly zones that were put in place?

And did you bleeding heart liberals forget about the Kurds that Saddam's thugs practiced genocide on with WMD?

Attacked a sovereign nation my Azz! We attacked a country that had and always had strong ties to terror groups.

The American left is indeed viewed by Islamic terror groups as their greatest ally. Not much future in being viewed as allies to terrorists is there?

Any you guys wonder why the right pounds the message home at every turn.

Now for a lesson....

Germany and Japan were complete fascist/indoctrinated entrenched societies that we defeated by force of arms. It took a united effort but it was done and it was most bloody.
That is a fact that cannot be denied.

They were dedicated totally to world domination as are the Islamo-fascists of today. Todays Islamo fascists repeatedly and almost weekly repeat a mantra of hatred for Israel and for the West in general. Only a fool would think they DONT need to be handled. Wherever they are.

Thats the end of todays History channel presentation.

Thanks and Good Night.

"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"