Quote:

i don't think you want to compare Abe, WW, and FDR to Bush-- not a good strategy. the civil war, ww1 and ww2 are not the Iraq War-- it's now an occupation. we won the war in a few weeks. Mission Accomplished. the war on terror is like the war on drugs. it's a package of marketing. Make it abstract and they'll buy it. these people are better at dbl speak than Orwell predicted.

A Chicken Hawk is a Chicken Hawk regardless of the war. Lincoln was a good deal less popular than George Bush is now, that war was certainly a lot costlier and far less popular among the total American population. Lincoln suspended several parts of the constitution waged total war against fellow Americans. Now, almost 150 years later, he is considered a great president. If George W's gamble pays off half as well as Lincolns he will be too. Both Wilson and FDR campaigned as "Peace" candidates while actively doing everything they could to drag us into war. Both willfully lied to the American people in the most bald faced manner possible and got us into wars that were opposed by the majority of the American people. As for occupation, we are still in Germany and Japan more than 60 years after that war ended.

Quote:

Hey, I just don't trust the neo-cons judgment. If I think they're dangerous, then I would be a bad American if I were to withhold my judgment. Most people in the country don't believe these neo-cons are doing a good job, but the bushies continue to fill our ears with hopeless and pointless dribble, as though we just don't get it, that we're too stupid to understand the greatness we are about to embark on. their condesending tone is almost infantile... so much for civilian control.

While I'm sure you don't mean it this way, the term neo-con is losing favor as it is widely considered to be shorthand for "The Jews who really run Washington." As to the point I assume you are responding to. Demanding that all officials in the military chain of command be military people is a odd one for the left as they generally show nothing but contempt for the military. While they have no problem with a dishonorable draft dodger in the White House if he is a Democrat, they seem to think that only Medal of Honor nominees are acceptable in a Republican administration.

Quote:

we control nothing until novemeber, then their might be some changes-- but don't underestimate the neo-cons, they'll preach the "cut and run anti-flag fag lefties will bring this country down" mantra until they're red in the face.

The fact that if we pull out now as Murtha and the activist "peaceniks" demand the terrorists will likely gain command of a major country in the Middle East doesn't bother you? Do you really think that if Al Queda and Hezbollah types start running Iraq We'll all be safe here in the US? Do you think that if any other country anywhere else in the world would ever trust the assurances of an American president if we leave millions of Iraqis to the tender mercies of terrorists just so an American political party can win a domestic victory?

Quote:

So how much do we trust the Bushies when they come up with the wmd in Iran? Will the world go along with them? this country is becoming what it hates. all truths contain elements of their opposites.

And while those neo-cons continue to ignore their own generals, why would we not slur the dummies. it's kept pretty quiet, but some things still leak out. this group is so inept as to be a danger to us.

So who would you have run this country? Jack "Preemptive Surrender" Murtha? Hillary "Weathervane" Clinton? John "War Hero" Kerry? Al "Too many to count" Gore? Talk about a bunch of fools. Not one has ever put the good of the country above the polls.

Quote:

i fear these neo-cons much more than the terrorists right now. and that is the truth, and i'm not alone. it's always the person who's doing it for our own good that we should fear. this country has a long history of helping other people to death. the bush doctrine comes to mind.

That is the scary thing, I believe too many lefties actually do think that. The very idea of a loyal opposition is completely foreign to the left these days. Partisanship not only does not stop at the waters edge, it gets worse. When one of the major parties sees a sworn enemy that has sworn to destroy us, and has acted on that oath, as less of a threat than the leadership of the other major party when it acts to protect this country, there is something terribly wrong. Too many Democrats have whipped themselves into such a frenzy they have completely divorced themselves from reality. As a partisan Republican I see that as good for my party, but bad for the country.

We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.