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An informative read.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5675

A very well written concise analogy. Indeed the war the Israelis are fighting is the same one we are engaged in.

That so called religion of peace is hell bent at bringing us all under one all encompassing religious theocracy. And that religion is .....

ISLAM.

Thanks for posting that. I enjoyed the read.

Well, nevermind won't type much. Israel is a theocracy with democracy as a tag line. This is not Israel vs. Muslim in the middle east its Jew vs. Muslim. The governments appear to be incidental in the core beliefs of both parties. They both hate one another always have and always will.

Maybe someday God will sort it out. It is beyond man at this time. It is very hot, very dangerous and this time it may blow.

Actually Ron, I believe that most of the leaders of Israel are of a more secular bent. And they do have democratic elections, but I understand what you're saying here. Israel was founded as a nation for the Jews displaced by WWII. The Muslim theocratic nations have been trying to eradicate them ever since the state of Israel came into being in 1948.

Israel is not a religious theocracy with a democratic tag line. You could not possibly be more wrong in that analysis. They are a democracy that willingly allows a multicultural society that just happens to be primarily Jewish. Christians and Muslims I believe are both welcome in Israel and are certainly tolerated. Except of course "terrorists"

I believe its gonna blow big time. Or at least the brave Israelies will indeed set back the hizbolloh another twenty years or so.

Its been so interesting to watch the news tonight and see the wellspring of support for Israel both nationally and internationally. Even some Arab nations have spoken in support of Israel.

Its been a while in coming and I do not think the Israelis will stop until Hezbollah is pretty much neutered.

I think they are simply prepping the battlefield to get it ready for a major ground incursion.

After they reduce the capability of the hezboolahs to fire rockets into their cities they will then attack and destroy hezbollah in detail. (I hope as this will be a great day in the current war against Islamo-fascism everywhere including Iraq)

The good part is they know they can likely handle any circumatance by themselves but if the morons in Syria and Iran or anywhere else decide to "get busy" ..whooee watchout then.

Whooee a big one might even scsre the French enough to go to arms. (doubtful but I can always hope) I am unsure at this point what if anything would cause the frogs to grow some cojones.

There is a time for all things including war. This is one of those times.

Israel can rest assured that we have their backs in any case.

Lets get it on. Uhrah

Gentlemen! Gentlemen!

I CAN'T BELIEVE that NOBODY has come up with the the following VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION to this religious persecution that "seems" at the crux this whole disagreeable matter!!!

MOVE THE JEWS TO ARIZONA!(the southern half, that is! Where the mean temperature approximates that of Israel)

I mean, if those "religious types" can't even seem to get along over there, I'D be proud to have Sol and his wife Ruth live next door to ME!!!(I hear Sol is ESPECIALLY bright when it comes to topics of science, finance and creativity)

I say if those "other people" over there want to "stick their collective heads in the sand" and want to live in the year 1027, LET 'EM HAVE that god-forsaken piece of sand.(trust me! I KNOW [southern] Arizona has plenty o' THAT STUFF for ol' Sol and Ruth, if THAT'S what they're lookin' for)

Now...just LOOK at the advantaged this idea has to offer...

WE, here in America, will have all the Jews, who as I mentioned before are VERY BRIGHT PEOPLE on the whole because their religion unbelieveablly ALLOWS them to "question God" and keeps that ol' old grey-matter in GOOD TUNE(believe it or NOT, I actually KNOW a few "Agnostic Jews"...nice people, they...one of 'em's my BEST FRIEND!...but sorry, I digress), and who, because they seem to be the energetic and resourcefull type, could probably find a way to make Phoenix livable in JULY!!!(my guess is that they haven't been able to do THIS over there is because they're sendin' too much time fightin' those "OTHER RELIGIOUS PEOPLE" over there in that sandbox, and thus have no energy left to tackle this "heat thing")

Now I know some of you more "secular types"(you damn Democrats, you) out there are going to question the wisdom of my "humble little suggestion", probably saying something along the lines in protest of..."Hey! I don't want ANYONE who wants their religion in my politics around here!".

Well, ALL I can say about THAT is that it's seemed to work out okay in UTAH for about a century and a half...RIGHT?!!!(Okay...forget that idiot for a second that the Feds can't seem to catch and who keeps marrying his 13 year-old nieces...he's an anomaly)

So, in closing...Oh sorry, I almost forgot to mention that EVEN THOUGH there wouldn't be those "old holy sites" that seem to also be a problem over there, I have a solution for THAT TOO!

Manuel, who's just crossed the border into Arizona and is looking for work, I'M SURE would be MOST HELPFUL in recreating any of those old synagogues over there in...beautiful downtown SCOTTSDALE!!!

Cheers,
Dwight
(I don't know about YOU PEOPLE, but I think THIS could just solve ALL of THAT TROUBLE over there)

Yea, thats what we need more immigrants and legitimate jobs for the illegals we already have... yea that's the ticket!

Hey, sounds good to me. Well educated, good work ethic, take their religion seriously without being violent about it, made the desert of Palistine bloom, believe in democracy and the rule of law and they know how to deal with terrorists. Start a petition and I could find you hundreds, if not thousands, of signatures.

Hey, Larry, Dwight. Ya'll forgot to mention that they have practice building that border fence thingy.

Bill, my comment was grey in the theocratic sense but Israel was built on laws based on the Torah. Everyone else must apply for citizenship and be approved with the exception of the "right of return" meaning a Jew in good standing can relocate at any time and be accepeted to citizenship as he is returning to the promised or holy land.

Last I checked, when you give preference to a particular religion you are leaning a bit in the theocracy department.

You are all right, especially Dwight lol.

Reasonable people can come to agreements. The word of the scripture has no room for compromize. hmmm, thats a problem, they read different books.

It is a very scary time. I am not entirely sure Israel can win an all out war if Syria and Iran get into it. (short of nukes that is)

If Syria and Iran were to get into it and I dont think they will at this point. They will find themselves looking down the barrel of an international high caliber heavy velocity firearm led by ...guess who. US the U.S.

The fact that Iran has no way to involve themselves short of missisle strikes or some form of Air war is providential in a way. We could kick their keisters up around their muslim nether regions in a matter of a few days with our superior Air Force and Navy. We would not have to land or place a single troop in Iran. Just whale away on their Air forces and Navy with smart standoff weapons.

Ya know degrade their ole infrastructure a lttle bit. Just a little bit mind you ..like say 85%... that'd be a good number. We could just happen to accidentally hit any and all suspected nuke development sites or areas suspected of manufacturing delivery systems.

I hope this happens. We need a good excuse to do it.

As the ragheads say...."Allah Wills it" "Jihad" ....

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We could kick their keisters up around their muslim nether regions in a matter of a few days with our superior Air Force and Navy. We would not have to land or place a single troop in Iran. Just whale away on their Air forces and Navy with smart standoff weapons.

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Very true, but then we would have to go in and clean up and "let democracy bloom" for a few years afterwards.

“I stand in shocked anger that those in America who work so hard for the separation of church and state are not horrified at the Islamist threat. Those who passionately insist on the separation of church and state ought to be on the front lines every day denouncing Islam and their global terror campaigns. making noise, agitating, pressing for Islam to be eradicated. But they aren’t denouncing Islam. Quite the opposite. They advocate eradicating George W Bush and the United States.”

The writer here assumes a separation of religion and state exists in the Middle East and that Prez Bush is trying to maintain that separation or force it. This separation has never existed in these countries—it truly hasn’t existed in our country, although there are fluctuations. Can Islam be “eradicated"? It’s a silly notion and one that has other world citizens wondering how far removed from reality we are. Aggression against our friends and allies should be curtailed and stopped, and we do possess the power to do so. I do not think Iraq qualifies as friend or ally, and I think we heard enough of the direct threat hocus-pocus that the neo-cons conned us into. Sixty some percent of the citizenry thinks we did not need to self-inflict this wound. I consider myself a religious person, and I’m always insulted that somehow my religious conviction is somehow less than that of the flame throwing chicken hawk cowards….

Israel has the right to defend itself, and I like its style. They don’t deal with terrorists. They’re like an angry hornets nest—they have to be.

cat
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Separation of Church and State is forbidden in the Koran, the Hadiths and Islamic tradition. Any Moslem who advocates it is not being faithful to the tenets of the faith. While there may be a lot of supporters of a secular state in Moslem countries, the religion itself does not support it.

In Christianity it is assumed that God and the state are separate. “Render onto God what is Gods and onto Caesar what is Caesars.” Christ explicitly said that he and his kingdom were not of this world. While there have been rulers who have tried to rule “In God’s name.” It has been the near universal understanding among Christians for several hundred years that Church and state are not the same thing. Personally I want people, including politicians, to be informed by their faith. But, at the same time, those who rule the churches must not also be the rulers of the state.

The terrorists and their supporters claim to be working toward a world that is completely Moslem and ruled by Moslem law and tradition. All under a Moslem Theocracy. Cat is right, anyone who decries Christian influence in government and is silent about the threat posed by Islam is a fool.

Israel not a Theocracy? give me a break. The very existence of Israel is based on their claim to somebody elses land because of the Abrahamic covenant (disregarding the later teachings that say that conversion to Christianity is a condition precedent to the in-gathering back in Palestine). Certainly the reaction of Israel to the Hezbollah attack is classic "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" old testament doctrine. I cannot figure out for the life of me why American Fundamentalist Christian Churches are such supporters of Israel.

I'm not touching this one, some very well thought out and interesting points have been made.

I have been there done that back in 69 and would not wish war on anyone. Although I would not mind giving Iran a swat.

I know these people have been fighting for centuries, but I have to believe there are alot of people in those countries that are fed up with all this bulls**t and just want to get up go to work raise their families and persue a better life.

B****'en and finger pointing has always been easy, the hard part is trying to do something to change the present situtation, you may not agree with what the US goverment is doing, but atleast they are doing something.

I find it ironic that all Islam preaches is peace and love and harmony yet it has killed millions of people over the centuries trying to get their buy in !!

People get the government they deserve. Its up to them to change things to what they want not us.

Why Bill, how dare you demand that people make informed responses.