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With the upcoming release of 2007 model info for Harleys later this month, this got me thinking, when could we expect Triumph to release info about their upcoming 2007 models?
I'm curious to know about any change in specifications or colour choices on the TBA, to figure out whether to buy a current 2006 or wait for a 2007.
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We wont find out anything about any new models until September.
I think the only thing that has ever changed on the TBAs since they came out is the colors.
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maybe on the 2007 models they won't offer the worst tires ever. After buying the metzelers I could never go back to the bridgestones. If I bought a new bike, i'd just change them out and sell them.
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I've still got my orig. bridgestones on my 03 BA. I don't have any problems or complaints. Did I just get lucky?
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Once you've replaced the Bridgestones with real tires, you will wonder why you didn't do it sooner.
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Personally I never liked the bridgestones, they didn't grip well, sucked in the rain, and had bad traction on grooved and rough pavement. I changed them over to the metzelers, wow what world of difference. So if you think you are ok now, if/when you change them out, you'll be super impressed.
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Not sure if this will happen in 2007 or 2008, but in the US one thing you won't find on the bike is carburators. EPA rules are forcing all new bikes to oil/water cooling and fuel injection.
One advantage to fuel injection is a 5-10% increase in horse power and at least a 5% increase in mileage.
Also anyone that has a much older bike, after 2006 you will not be able to buy a replacement carburator with a manual gas tickler. The EPA has outlawed the import or sale of these carburators.
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Opps, double post...
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With EFI, say you change pipes and open up the airbox. Would you then need to have it hooked up to a power commander to reset the injection to compensate, or if not how is this done? Never had an injected bike so i'd blind here. Also, does injection automatically compensate for altitude and temerature?
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I would say yes you have to remap. This is base on my '03 Ninja 636 (an EFI bike). The EFI can take a small change. But air box mod's and pipes would be to much. For the ninja I put a power commander on it. Power Commander has maps on their site for different bikes and pipes. For mine I had a custom map made by having the bike dyno tuned.
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I've still got my orig. bridgestones on my 03 BA. I don't have any problems or complaints. Did I just get lucky?
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Does Metzeler make exact size replacement tires for the TA? I looked through some catalogs and couldn't find sizes that matched factory specs. I don't plan to change mine until I get a little more wear on them and would prefer to keep the same sizes. Which models are you guys buying?
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Also, does injection automatically compensate for altitude and temerature?
There are car FI systems that have an air mass flow sensor*, which will compensate for density altitude change. Note that density altitude is NOT the same as actual feet above sea level. It's the altitude reading based on various factors that calculate what altutude you'd be at, on a standard temperature/pressure day.
For instance: I remember distinctly one summer evening, while I was at Firebird Raceway over in the southeast part of the Phoenix area, when right at sundown, a friend's racing "weather station" said that the air was the same as being at over 6500 ft. The track altitude is about 1400 ft ASL, as I recall. Yup, it was hot out that evening. 
Our very own Becky, who lives in the Flagstaff, AZ area, could really use an altitude compensating FI unit on her bike. On hot days in Flag, she experiences even higher density altitude than the approx. 7200 ft ASL that a map will list. But, were she to ride down to Phoenix in the winter, her bike would "see" density altitudes of around sea level. Carbs and simple FI's can't handle that very well at all!
* An air mass flow sensor is an electrified screen that fits over the intake opening, and gives feedback to the FI computer, thereby allowing proper mixture changes.
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I've still got my orig. bridgestones on my 03 BA. I don't have any problems or complaints. Did I just get lucky?
That's cause you ride like a girlie man Kenny! 
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tcv, I recently heard that Triumph has been able to get the twin cyl. engine to meet the upcoming very strict European smog test limits with carburetors!
Wish I had more info on this.
This is both good and bad news. I say "good" because carbs allow owners to easily change jetting to compensate for the various mods they do to their engines. FI winds up being more expensive for the manufacturer to use, so using carbs will help Triumph keep the sales price down on the whole Bonny line.
And I say "bad" because FI, especially for street driven vehicles, can allow more power to be made, and improve mid range throttle driveability (read: no hesitation). The additional power can come from a larger throttle bore than a carb because FI doesn't rely on air flow (pressure drop) to draw fuel into the air stream.
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PapaDean, did you by chance stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? Just kidding 
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PD, I member reading the same thing a bit ago too, good news actually. Now I won't have tp make a Power Commander destructions site for at least a year or so. 
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We wont find out anything about any new models until September.
I think the only thing that has ever changed on the TBAs since they came out is the colors.
Soren
Thanks, exactly what I wanted to know.
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Must be the testing they do for the bikes on English roads.
The test riders have significant imput into the tyre choice etc for each model of bike.
They puts thousands of miles of testing in and are all experienced riders.
For them to spec Bridgstones, they must've been the best for the bikes while testing.
I run Bridgestone Xedra G546 (rear) and Bridgestone Battlax BT45F (front) and they're great for me.
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I thought i read somewhere last year that the motors in our bikes are compliant with the 2010 standards, so no need to go to fuel injection... for a long while.
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I thought i read somewhere last year that the motors in our bikes are compliant with the 2010 standards, so no need to go to fuel injection... for a long while.
Soren
Why do I get the feeling then that all they'll do in that case is lean-out the mixture and pump more air into the cylinder heads with those darn A.I.s, causing of course a higher temperature running engine and a quicker and more extensive blueing to those who don't immediately pull those things off their newly purchased Bonnies and Speedies?!
I could be wrong here, but I'm thinking that by continuing to use carbs, that's the only scenario I can see happening in order to meet ever strengient emission regulations.
(heaven help us all if the "powers-that-be" ever decide to start checking up on us to see if we've modified our scoots in any manner, huh?!)
And regarding the '07s....I'm have hope that Triumph will finally realize that they've been missing a pretty sizeable market, especially here in the States, by not offering a full dresser Rocket III this past year and will rectify this situation this coming September.
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maybe they will suprise us with a 6 speed.
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A fair bit of talk in the press about a RocketII for 2007 or 2008, after the downright no I got at the factory tour I'm a bit p'd off that they didn't break the news to me in person when they had the chance!
hmmm funny line to follow
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And regarding the '07s....I'm have hope that Triumph will finally realize that they've been missing a pretty sizeable market, especially here in the States, by not offering a full dresser Rocket III this past year and will rectify this situation this coming September.
I absolutley agree and have been saying that for a couple years now. At the very least something to replace the Trophy.
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These are the sizes for the tires and tubes I bought. The front is a tad bit bigger, but you won't even notice after you ride for 50 miles. As well, the larger front tire doesn't cause any issues and in my opinion looks better since it sits up more in the rim. got them at: http://www.americanmototire.com/(thanx SSJONES) METZELER ME880 110/90HB-18 FRONT METZELER ME880 170/80HB-15 REAR BRIDGESTONE TUBE (ULTRA HEAVY DUTY) 110/100-18 BRIDGESTONE TUBE 170/80-15 (90 DEGREE STEM)
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Yeah it is downright silly that they don't have a dresser model for that thing yet.
Also, what is to stop someone from taking the EFI off their bike and installing carbs?
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and pump more air into the cylinder heads with those darn A.I.s, causing of course a higher temperature running engine and a quicker and more extensive blueing to those who don't immediately pull those things off their newly purchased Bonnies and Speedies?!
I know I should probably look for a thread already on this, but what are the A.I.'s? (I'm a newby...)
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air injection, puts in hot air to burn gasses for emissions
Frank
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Kenny, How many miles you got on the 03?
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Sheridan, spend some time in the tech vault my friend. You can see part of the AI system blocking your view of the sparkplug.
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Hope they keep Carbs for a long time. They work for me, just fine.
As far as the Tires Had Bridgestones 3 Fronts 12,000 miles each and 1 Rear 18000 miles Good tires. did put a Dunlop on rear Got 18000 on it. Learned it is not wise to have 2 different make tires on bike. Now have Pirelli MT-66 front and rear. Great tires!!!!!
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I've still got my orig. bridgestones on my 03 BA. I don't have any problems or complaints. Did I just get lucky?
You ain't ridin enough!!
Rode home from Ga. mostly rained all the way tires were not a concern.
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I thought i read somewhere last year that the motors in our bikes are compliant with the 2010 standards, so no need to go to fuel injection... for a long while.
Soren
Thats exactly what a triumph rep told a guy at my dealer. I asked him and he said when he talked to a T rep about a warranty question i needed to know about he ask that too. the answer was that the carb setups easily conform to standards in all countries for several years to come. so probably no EFI for several years.
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A couple weeks ago, my dealer told me the '08 twin cylinder model engines will go to fuel injection. More horsepower, torque, and better across the board performance in more conditions. Makes sense to me. Smart move.
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I bought my '03 TBS with 1800 miles on it, and it came with metzlers. A 110/80-18 ME33 Laser front and a 170/80-15 ME880 Marathon rear. I had thought that they were the OEM tires, but I guess the first owner changed them. What about
it, did any '03s come with Metzlers stock?
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Sure mine did and as far as i know so did all speedmasters.
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