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No....Bill. (sigh) it has nothing whatsoever to do with being a sycophant. It does have everything to do in this instance with COMMON HUMAN DECENCY where applied to a funeral and a basic right to grieve while observing the ritual of burial without interference from a sub specie of homo erectus or whatever down level gene pool from which those Kansas pukes hail.

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Anybody who slavishly follows a party platform, be they Democrat or Republican, a "yellow dog", is a sycophant.
You cannot legislate "human decency", and no one has a right to not be offended.

Okay Kevin and Larry.

Seeing as how you can't see the advantages to the Union that a BAN of these types of PAID(by the Special Interests) deceptive ads that run unabated during election years would solve, AND the corruption and apathy that these ads bring to the political table....I'll just forget THIS for now.(I can see the groundswell of interent THIS particular issue brought forth)

However....Let me ask you gentlemen something!

What is it about you guys that you automatically assume that to QUESTION America's course is automatically assumed to be ANTI-AMERICAN????

THIS IS ONE GREAT COUNTRY, my friends.....but it AIN'T PERFECT, and consequently, negatives DO happen. Are you SO blind as to want to see ONLY the good.

AND, haven't you gentlemen realized by now that this, "with us or against us" BS literally REEKS of "Infidel talk"! And I REFUSE to be a party to "true believers" of ANY mindset.

QUESTION EVERYTHING! THAT'S the way people LEARN!

Dwight

Who is a "special interest?" What defines them? Big business? Big labor? Pro abortion? Anti abortion? High Tax? Low Tax? Pro or Anti Gun? Should we restrict the first amendment rights of people because we don't like their message or the way they convey it?

Well Dwight ...its like this. Once upon a time we had a generation of Americans known as the "Greatest Generation."
That is the generation of my Father and Mother.

That generation was in its way the most unselfish and strong of all generations of Americans. This is documented and recorded in history. Those Americans were members of both politcal parties and they had the guts to put aside any concerns for the greater good.

They understood the basic tenets of our way of life and they understood the sacrifices necessary to keep it.

Now in this day and age I and many other like minded folks find it necessary to categorize Americans. As much as I know that liberals hate what they call the generalization of being classified as anti-American ......the generalization in this time and this era is deserved in many ways.

When representatives of the liberal agenda call for us to "tuck tail" and run like scared sheep over the closest available cliff instead of defending honor and our way of life ...then I cannot fathom nor appreciate that ignorance.

I do not necessarily march in lock step to all the issues that are presented or represented by Geroge Dubya Bush or by the Republican party in general. I, do, however find the spirit and direction of the Republican/Conservative element to be much more like that of America's greatest generation.

Therefore I cannot and will not support any liberal candidates for office until such time as I am led to believe that they will "represent" as in and for the spirit of America's Greatest generation.

Unfortunately that is not going to happen for the formerly American party known as the Democrats.

I view the liberal agenda as "poison"....it has locked itself into the Democratic party and is in control of it.

Like I tell a few of my cousins who are from areas of the country that are typically democratic..."It aint your daddies Democratic party anymore" "Its been hijacked by grade B wannabes like John Skeery, Al gore, Hillary clinton, ..a host of celebrity extremist lefties like the dixie slugs, Sean Pencil head, Bra bra strisand, and 90% of their brethren."

Its a sad state of affairs as it is.

when the mouthpieces for the Democrats are represnted by Al sharpie, jessie jackstoned, Michel Mooreon...and the financial backers of moveon.org...ya GOTTA know that something sad has taken place.

Whatever ills are part an parcel of being a conservative or a "sycophant" thereof.....they are small and insignificant to the options available as I see it.

Kevin,

All I can say is that my Pop was of that "Greatest Generation" also. He was in north Africa with Patton. He was at Monte Casino. He was at "The Bulge". He received a total of 6 Bronze Battle Stars during that time.

Coming of age during the Great Depression he started with vitually nothing, and died about two years ago with a net worth of well over a million dollars in assets by adhering to his principles of hard word and honest communication.

And, I remember asking his opinion, just a year short years before he died, about Mr.Brokaw's book title and that moniker that has now become fixed to that generation of his.

His response?!

"That's BS, in order to sell books and tell people what they want to hear! We probably weren't any better than any other generation. Remember one thing....MY generation killed more friggin' people in a 6 year span than any other's ever did!"

That was what I always liked about the guy. He didn't believe in ANYBODY's BS, and saw through the illogic of over-generalizations!(like: Liberal=Bad, Conservative=good)

Cheers,
Dwight
(miss ya Pop)

Funny thing, Doug, he seldom liked talking about it.

He was of the mind, similarly to Steven Ambrose's contention of the "Citizen Soldier" in his writings, that he had an very unpleasant and very non-glamorous job to perform, and he did it, wasn't "proud" of it, and would sooner forget it.

And thus, I received very little information while going up about his war experiences.

But you're right, my friend! He WAS a PROUD AMERICAN and I think, a better than average human being! And....a pretty good role model, to boot.

Thanks,
Dwight
(but unfortuantely I've picked up his "contrary attitude" about "things")

I know what you mean. Maybe he would share his experiences with his fellow brothers in arms. Not to a stranger. Never.My dad is like that. Would never say anything to me about what he did in Korea. I found a scrap book of photos he had taken as a Marine sergeant of a platoon. Those pictures told the whole story and I never asked him about it again. I just realized I am talking about our fathers here under the 'Bush bans protests' subject. I'll stop.

I am sure your Father was a great and honorable man. I see nothing anywhere disrepecting him.

As to our current generation. We are a poor lot compared to your fathers' and mine.

We do have some Grade "A" Americans out there but none of the liberal mouthpieces you would raise as icons of the current liberal agenda would remotely apply. Most are just wannabes.

John Kerry/ Wannabe/ traitor/ shunned by his fellows. Defeated by a hick from Texas (imported)
Murtha/ former Marine/ now a wannabe /laughable at best.
Howard Dean/ Please. Wannabe in spades. excitable boy.
Hillary clinton/ Which way is the wind blowing so I can go that way/ Wannabe
Al bore/ invented the internet and global warming. WANNABE. Defeated by a hick from Texas (imported)
Al sharpton/ presidential candidate?! LOL
Jesse jackstoned/ presidential wannabe LOL savior of the oppressed/ LOL

Michel Moore/ LOL/ esteemed documentary fim maker (propagandist extraordaire in the tradition of Goebbels) noted for his anti-American rhetoric. Savior of all our rights. Lives high on the Hog selling poop to the naive.

So all I am saying Dwight is that the list of people noted above are the ones on the bully pulpit who best supposedly (and there are many more) do all the talking for the left.

Unfortunately they are not held in high regard by enough of us to make a difference.

None of them could hold a candle to the least of America's greatest generation be it your Father or mine or anyone elses. That generation knew when it was necessary to unite. Ours has lost that ability.

JFK would puke from his home at Arlington if he were to hear the BS that comes from the mouths of the current batch of supposed Democratic leaders. JFK was no coward.
and none of those folks noted above can hold a candle to JFK dead or alive.

All that the Democratic party needs to regain its respect is to run some grade "A" people. Not perfect people but at least grade "A" in spirit. Cause grade "B" dont buy no rice. Not in the world we live in. Grade "B" never even got close during our fathers generation. Its a shame they "get close" now.

Perhaps we are degenerating as a culture just as Rome did in its later days.

Meanwhile back at the ranch we have ole Grade "A" less than perfect G Dubya watching our backside and we can thank our lucky stars for that.

(SIGH)

There are a few liberals I would put in the good American catagory.

Bob Kerrey former US Senator from Nebraska, Wounded Navy SEAL Medal of Honor. Started his own successful business.

Joe Lieberman, willing to part with his party in favor of the national interest. Actually takes his religion seriously.

Why do all these conversations seem to fall back on whether or not people are willing to be in the millitary? Remember, a LOT of those guys who died in WWI were drafted! and may not have WANTED to go in the first place but had to.

And what so evil about wanting to conserve the environment? That seems to be a primarily "liberal" thing...

Gentlemen as we are older and jaded by politics,both left and right, I am watching High School seniors who could easily go to school or find employment and stay out of harms way, willingly, enthusiastically signing up to serve thier country. I ask my son why? He knows I don't agree with what we are doing in Iraq, and to my surprise niether does he. However he indicated as long as Osama and his band of merry men walk the planet, we will have young people volunteering to put themselves in harms way to right an injustice. Keep in mind we are involved in several conflicts around the world along with humanitarian efforts with an all volunteer military. I am proud of this generation.

Benny,
I thought you told me that you stayed out of discussions like this? I usually do also. However, I tend to disagree. My grandfather signed the papers so that my dad could join the Navy at 17. He became a Lieutenant, and fought the Japs in the Phillipenes. My mom was also a LT, And was stationed at the Naval Gun Factory in Washington, DC., and later at the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

My Dad is dead now, but my Mom is 88, and going strong.

Charlie

Let me tell you one thing... As somebody who lived in the USSR, I am shocked to see that the USA is becoming a country I left many years ago. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Respect it. Left, right, hippies, rockers, anarchists, whatever you think you are

Do not agree with me? Then read the Gulag by Solzhenitsin and see what this country can turn into. I have family members who served in the Soviet Army and U.S. Navy. Would I be disappointed if somebody protested at their funeral? As a relative, I would. As a citizen, not at all. People who support the limit on the freedom of expression and assembly do not know what they are doing. I wish I had a time machine for you guys. How many days would you last on salt water and bread in a Siberian, err Alaskan, prison?

Right on Vitaliy, So many people forget the lessons of history.
Those who want to restrict free speech are actually afraid of viewpoints that are contrary to their own. They know (and maybe not even consciously) that their power base is threatened by any argument, by those who point out the ugly truths. (And of course a Christian comment, so as not to disappoint anyone ) That's why Herod had John the Baptist killed.
What's the first thing any despot does? He silences his opposition.
Since W's approval ratings are in the toilet (for good reason), he has gone back to the diversionary tactics that worked with the swift boat liars. Fortunately, I think the majority of Americans are wising up.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Respect it.

Rights on man!

I think the majority of Americans are wising up.

Don't get your hopes up too much

Cheers,
Brad

Hey Robert, I'm glad there are people willing and wanting to sign up. I'd hate to have it come to a point where we need the draft again... As long as these kids are doing it for their own reasons, more powere too em. The world and this country needs all types to survive! I just don't like it when people look down on me or anyone else because of a choice like that, ya know? I know how my dad could have been, and probably was, treated when he got home from Nam, and I think hey, it wasn't his fault!

I dunno Brad, that kinda looks like an improvement .