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We (most of us?) ride Triumphs because they are more than just a motorcycle. In the same way BA.com is more than just a bike specific web site.
There are many things which make BA.com a wonderful community. The most important, IMHO, is the “family friendly†atmosphere made possible only by a very flexible AUP, volunteer moderators, and members who treat discussion on this site as if they are in the same room with those they are conversing.
I like political discussions and arguments, and take part in most. Because of the potential for offense one should never label the messenger, if you disagree cite the passage and your reasons. If you argue to change the mind of someone, think what will achieve your purpose, cite references to back up your positions, most of the time those will make your point for you. To summarize; NEVER GET PERSONAL.
If you EVER think you might be approaching the boundaries of the AUP, YOU ARE
The volunteer moderators are part of what makes this place run and their authority is granted by the founder/owner of this site. Therefore causing them distress has the potential to make said founder reconsider his patronage.
I will close by saying in advance, IF I AM EVER THE CAUSE/REASON FOR A REVISION OF THE AUP I WILL POST A PUBLIC APOLOGY.
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HEY!!! Did SOMEONE mention DUBYA???!!! SLOWLY I TURN! STEP BY STEP!(see: Abbott and Costello) Okay, Bogie. I "gots" the message, dude! Cheers, Dwight (breathe....breathe....breathe DEEP, the gathering gloom. Watchlights fade.....HEY, how the hell did this turn in a Moody Blues thing, huh?!)   
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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One of the few reasons, I don't post as much any more. The lounge is bursting and growing to no end while the other threads creep along at a slow pace. New motorcycle information has been a slow trickle and the some of the new information is old info rehashed. There are still a few innovators blazing trails but other than that its become a political opinion wastebasket. Its depressing at times. I have been a member of this board for almost 4 years. I remember times when I really looked forward to singing on. I remember almost a year ago when we had a few threads regarding guest members and posting low ratings to members photos and their bandwith use. The lounge topics keep getting rehashed and rehashed. I think its time for us members to take back our site(Especially those who donated). I say we eliminate topics such as Religion and Politics. My Grandma always use to say, if you want to keep your friends, your friends, never discuss religion or politics. If you want to discuss these topics , start a thread and include your own email account. e.g. If anybody wants to discuss Dubya and the job he is doing, email me at joeblow@windbag.com(fake email) Use the bandwith of the internet provider you are paying for or better yet, use your works email server, I am sure they would appreciate it. But stop using this free site's free bandwith for these topics. Fryguy
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Well Fryguy,
I wouldn't go THAT far, chum. Some people get their ya-yas off by expressing a wide and varied point of view about myriad subjects.(hummm....and I ain't the only one, of course) AND, every so often some jerk(I'm thinkin' of a certain "K"alifornian variety, right now) GOES OFF! But....this particular forum IS called the Lounge, after all, and once again, I can't recall a single person throughout the years here, that has used a "krypto" subject line in order to entice some unsuspecting nave into their little "den of righteousness", in order to harp a particular controversial thought into the minds of those less inclined to participate.
So, what say we just keep the status quo, and let the verbosely opinionated amongst us, every once in a while, blow off a little steam.(we're really harmless, ya know)
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Dwight
(and it doesn't happen ALL the time, either)
(AND...have ya ever noticed HOW MANY friggin' responses this crap gets as compared to the subjects like, "I just added a new CHROME PIECE to my bike! Ya wannna SEE?!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I agree with and am in Dwights court on this. You can thank me for the modded AUP I guesss but perhaps that has been something that needed implementation anyway.
A very fine line is drawn in the sand with discussions of this nature. The one on immigration going on now is so far OK but it would take little for it to reach a point where someone or anyone could reply or become upset with someone else. At that point its a no brainer to kill it under the current modus operandi. We all know what to expect at this point anyway.
I often think the mods ought to be quick on the trigger but that is their choice.
Same thing applies to indirectly shifting a topic in a political direction. It happens at times with no intent and is simply a natural transgression often enough.
There are a core group of us who are what you will call poitical junkies. It adds flavor. Too me its like watching TV and channel checking from CNN, MSNBC to FOX. EAch has a different flavor and indeed at times things get unruly on those cable shows. To the degree that I often think some of it is staged for ratings.
This is a very good bike forum but at some point some of us are all modded out until we get out of debt for the first group of mods. Not all of want to customize our bikes. I can only read about main jets and errant snorkels so mamy times before I feel like I have had enough.
But I am keen to the fact that should I need more help or advise with any technical issue it will be here to be found either in the tech vault or the archives or simply answered by one of the veteran Gurus of which there are many here.
Heck it took me a few days to figure out WTF a freaking snorkel was but ...at long last I did figure it out. I thought the bikes were perhaps scuba capable. LOL
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I also agree with Dwight (except for the Moody Blues thing...)
It's been stressed before that this particular lounge is the open topic area. That includes stimulating topics such as - yes - religion and politics at times.
We all have some level at which we become offended. My level is perhaps higher than most, because I frankly am not intimidated by anyone on a computer ranting and raving about this or that. If I don't want to "hear" them spout off, I'll not read their rantings. What are they going to do? Come through their little keyboards and beat me up???
Yes, I like my Triumph SM, but jeez, Louise, how much can anyone talk about a freakin' motorcycle without getting bored out of their skull??? It's a MOTORCYCLE!!! If I want to cruise the other rooms for info or to discuss some other topic on the site, then that's why the other rooms are there.
If one doesn't want to participate in a topic, then one has the option of not responding. Use that option, and grow up!
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So, what say we just keep the status quo, and let the verbosely opinionated amongst us, every once in a while, blow off a little steam.(we're really harmless, ya know)
Here here say I
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Same thing applies to indirectly shifting a topic
Indeed. Now can we please start talking about important life and death things. Like the EUFA Champions League Final tomorrow between the Mighty ARSENAL and those orrible foreign gits Barcelona.
Come on you reds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bloody hate it when someone hijacks a thread
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Are you talking about that strange game the brits call football? Everyone knows that real footballs are pointed on the ends.
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But....its not Football. Its Futbol correct? I never got into Futbol. Not enough scoring going on out there. Some of the best fights go on in the stands after the games I hear?
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Everyone knows that real footballs are pointed on the ends.
 Oh, I can see where this thread is going.
MODERATOR....MODERATER. We got trouble makers on here again. BAN EM, BAN EM.
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But....its not Football. Its Futbol correct?
Depends on what langauge you speak. English, Football is Football. I think the term Futbol comes from South America (but i could be wrong). Americans like to call Football Soccer. But then we all know you dont speak English so I can forgive you for that.
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Some of the best fights go on in the stands after the games I hear
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Have you been to a Little League Baseball game lately. 
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I understand that fact that you want to keep your freemdoms as much as you can. This is infact a private website albeit open to the public dedicated to dealings with everything Bonneville America and the Speedmaster. There are rules concerning language and behavior. The mentality of "So its the Lounge, I should be allowed to curse out my boss or threathen to kill someone I don't like, for christsake" should apply as well but it doesn't. The dribble of the lounge takes away from the charming atmosphere of the entire site. I wish the posts in the other sections of the forums were as half as passionate as the posts that are in the lounge. We were certainly have a lot more progression of useless threads. I am not saying we don't because we do have many. I just wish they would progress on the same weighted scale.
Lets make the Lounge a pay or donation forum for members only. We have grown leaps and bounds in the past year or so. Imagine how much more money we could raise to fund the cost of running this site. I would only imagine the forum topics would be cut down dramatically if this were the case. Thie would eleviate some of the 'Volunteer' moderators headache's of worrying about being called 'Nazi' or the 'Gestapo'.
I think its a good idea, charge $25-$50 a year for a membership to the BA.com Lounge. If this lounge is so important and is a must-need then at that price it would be a bargain. Plus it would supply much needed assets for the site administrator. Those who don't sign up for a Lounge membership will still have access to all the usefull and insightful information and ideas that drew them to the site in the first place.
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I disagree; the lounge is a part of this site. That said, when the next fundraiser is announced I will donate.
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Actually ..I have it on good authority that Jesus rode a Black Speedmaster! Thats why they are the fastest and most nice looking overall.  As to Jesus political affiliations. I think he was an independent. Ya know he sorta pandered to a higher power. He was after all appointed by.....God. He started soup kitchens too I think. Ya rememeber the splitting of the loaves thing and ditribution thereof amongst the faithful? He struck down Harleys whenever he came across them BTW. Yea... he was very apolitical Jesus was.
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can't recall a single person throughout the years here, that has used a "krypto" subject line in order to entice some unsuspecting nave into their little "den of righteousness", in order to harp a particular controversial thought into the minds of those less inclined to participate.
No, but there have been MANY an innocent and well meaning topic hijacked and ruined by those opinions...
And as for soccer, I love it! Always have. I had a roommate in college who didn't like it because there was not enough scoring, yet he would watch hockey... even lower scoring! Weird.
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Actually ..I have it on good authority that Jesus rode a Black Speedmaster!
... as do some other cool guys.
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Hey Kevin,
I am starting to really like the way you think.
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Hey, WHO YOU CALLING A POLITICAL JUNKIE? Guilty as charged, and I apologize here and now for anyone I have offended or am going to offend....
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Without wishing to be controversial I'd like to quote something someone posted in a different (locked) thread.... Quote:
After all we are nothing but a micro-cosm of these United States. We like to argue about politics.
No we are not. I don't live in the USA and there are many of us here - very regular in here - who aren't living there.
I don't talk politics, religion or anything like that...not even in the pub. It is of no interest to me. Politics from another part of the world have even less interest to me. I watch the news once a day and that's my politics quota for that day. End Of.
But then also I don't talk about football.....with any shaped ball. But that probably wouldn't get people as riled. Well that might annoy one on here...
But I can talk about Jaffa Cakes all day.  Some of the silly topics are what kept me coming back when I first joined the forum. I'm not exactly good at talking to complete and total strangers for the first time. I tend to be very shy (No really I am) so silly topics are good. It would also be good for other newbies to have silly topics to contribute to.
What must the newbies be thinking of us looking at some of what has been posted recently....?
Just keep the serious stuff somewhere else. Please.
Just stating my POV. And giving my 1p.
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But I can talk about Jaffa Cakes all day.
Now im insulted. Jaffa Cakes, my bottom. What about Chocolate Hobb Nobbs. Everyone nows that at times of munchie-ism-dom, Chockie Hobb Nobbs are the way to go.
Oh, and I shall ignore the quip on the footie
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And as for soccer, I love it! Always have.
I always new people from New York had class.
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I apologize here and now for anyone I have offended or am going to offend
Thank you sir, and i accept the appology you are giving me for the offense that you are going to cause me in the near and distant future 
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Hey Gina Quote:
Good girls go to heaven, Triumph Girls go where ever they want.
Isn't that a Meatloaf song.
Oh bugger, now ive gone a done it. Taking this thread off in a totally new direction.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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This one is a "meta" thread. A thread about hijacking threads. I'll look the other way, but just this once.
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FriarJohn Much as I try never to disagree with anyone who owns the mighty Hammer of Smiting(TM), I wouldn't call this a "meta-thread." Epistemologically speaking, a "meta-thread" would be a thread about threads, whereas this is a thread about hijacking threads. Logically, any "meta" relationship is of the form "X is X," whereas a thread about hijacking threads is more "X is sub-X" as the topic (sub-X) is really just a hyponomous relationship - a sub-category of threads. Just wanted to clear that up in case there was any misunderstanding Pretentious, moi? Siggy
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Just keep the serious stuff somewhere else. Please.
Hey GinaS,
I am confused, which of the serious stuff do you mean?
The politics or the Jaffa cakes?
Seriously now...
I am also a political animal so I admit guilty to being biased about this in advance.
As this site membership is predominantly American you are bound to see a lot of their local issues crop up in threads from time to time. On a few occasions some of the UK boys have posted similar topics (to do with regulations etc.). I also think I did on a few occasions on the old board regarding my region.
I tend to avoid these discussions for the simple reason that I do not know enough about American local politics to participate in a knowledgeable fashion.
It's only once their politics exceed their borders and become international, meaning that
I may be affected directly or indirectly or that I may have an opinion possibly worth mentioning, that I will actually participate.
Going back to local US politics and were you politically minded, the current thread regarding illegal immigrants into the US, would have helped you identify similarities in your own country (in earlier decades) which your government has dealt with quite successfully (of course your ports an airports are more controllable) and are making a considerable amount of money out of it at the same time (I believe the current fine is 2500 Pounds per illegal immigrant deported, levied on the airline or vessell that he/she arrived on).
We in Greece have similar problems with illegals from Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Russia, Ukraine etc.
Of course, for us in Europe the matter of illegal entry has become more sophisticated for other reasons, in that the craftsmanship in creating false passports has been elevated immensely.
Another example (and forgive me for boring you) is something Greg (Bayern710) mentioned regarding Empires/Powerful Nations and their prosperity which breeds a mentality of "they deserve it" in younger generations. Whilst reading that post I was thinking that we have a similar situation here with our younger generation. They also feel that they "deserve" a great life. Even though we are not an Empire/Powerful Nation (at least, not lately) we have similar developments.
Back to the original point, since political an/or religious issues do not interest you then you don't have much choice but to avoid them.
Similarly, I avoid issues of Gun Control, US Elections, Cooking Recipes (Yes! we have some very competent chefs in this family and the reason I avoid their threads is because
they normally crop up at the wrong time and make my mouth water and VERY HUNGRY!, as did you with your mentioning JAFFA CAKES)
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To reply to a number of replies in one... The line on my signature....is a misquote from a hoodie I've just bought. When I saw it I couldn't resist... I DO tend to avoid threads that have political overtones at the start, but recently most threads have gone that way for what seems no particular reason... And yes Mark....it was aimed at you!
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Meta thread or not this one does meander a bit....but no matter.
Gina, I was referring ..when I said as Bedouin intimated that most of the political/religious threads of import or not depending upon ones outlook are largely about pure American issues and see little participation by our international element. Bedouin chimes in occasionally but that is what was meant by a micro-cosm of America. (largely an American involvement) thereby showing a reasonable diversity of opinion that mirrors society at large.
As I have uttered before. If for any resaon the admins of this site should ever determine to simply disallow any intriguing topics that would be fine with me. I will not sit in my chair and cry about it nor I suppose will anyone else.
I do note that these threads seem to draw an audience despite a minimal verbal cry for banning of these types of threads.
If you go back thru the months of history in the "lounge" and see the post counts vs reads it seems clear that somebody other than those who posted and read also found them worthy of a read. Fascination perhaps?
Either that or its like a good fist fight after school. They draw a crowd to see the bloodletting?
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I always new people from New York had class.
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If you go back thru the months of history in the "lounge" and see the post counts vs reads it seems clear that somebody other than those who posted and read also found them worthy of a read. Fascination perhaps?
Or the same people keep checking back on the thread in between posts...
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Well I'm going to ask the really important question. Gina will like this! How come there were no Jaffa Cakes at the GA Rally? Gina were you supposed to send them to CHY?
Now does this fall into the controversy or did I just bring down the AXE?
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I do note that these threads seem to draw an audience despite a minimal verbal cry for banning of these types of threads.
To me it's kinda like hockey or WWE.. a bunch of folks get in there and beat each other up for no apparent reason... people actually pay to see that.
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Either that or its like a good fist fight after school. They draw a crowd to see the bloodletting?
Yep! that pretty much sums it up for me.. I find it kinda funny.... I keep picturing ya'll all puffed up pointing fingers and poking each other in the chest.
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I'd make a comment about that Steve but I'm already in trouble in the moderators lounge.. you're on your own buddy.
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No one asked me send Jaffa cakes!!!!
Or did I eat them....?
Ray's bringing them Dahn Sarf....aren't you Ray?
Gina
03 America - Pretty stock - except the TBS wheel...
06 America - missing, presumed in bits. With it's TBS wheel...
09 America - It's very blue....
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Re: The AUP and Controversy
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Loquacious
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Loquacious
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Yes, it's where the moderators get to talk about politics, religion, gun control, elections etc.
... and you guys...
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Re: The AUP and Controversy
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Loquacious
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Loquacious
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Yes, it's where the moderators get to talk about politics, religion, gun control, elections etc.
... and you guys...
That comes under "Gun Control".
Bedouin.
Blessed are those eyes that have seen more roads than any man! (Homer).
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Re: The AUP and Controversy
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Loquacious
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Loquacious
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Or ...Nuclar weapons to paraphase a "Bushism"
"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"
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