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I never said we won but we were not beaten militarily, not even close.To me we only lost if they beat us on the battlefield and drove us out, that didn't happen so we didn't lose we left and gave the country back to them. We actually had, and still have, the power to level the country without setting foot there.

the first war where "ground taken and held" was replaced by "body count". If I remember right, according to the show I watched last week, during the Tet offensive which centered on holding two important hills, the enemy lost upwards of 20,000 soldiers compared to our 240. What a massacre. The Viet Cong just kept sending waves of poor, undertrained "grunts" into blistering fire, including close air support. Broke the back of the Viet Cong but also lost support for the war back home because of extensive news reporting.

Fidelis et Fortis