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OK...so I've finally gotten round to removing the O2 sensors and air injectors....replacing the harness plugs with resistors to fool the ecu. What I now want to do v soon is get rid of the pesky speed limiter. But...Triumph dealers can't help ...most didn't even know it had a limiter. I live in Kent UK and am looking for ideas on who can unmap the limiter.... So I'm pretty sure TTP could help but they're 2.5 hours ride away. Another option is BSD in Peterborough...but that's 3 hrs from here. If anyone knows anybody closer, please tell me.... otherwise it's the above options for me. At present I don't want to do anymore than switch off the limiter until after an upcoming tour. Thanks for any ideas you might have, folks 
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What about Pieman? he's very knowledgeable and helpful.
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From PieMan on T-rat responding to much the same question. "The 2010 and later models of the America and Speedmaster had the speed limiter. For the America up to VIN 611104 the speed limiter can be disabled, but from VIN 611105 the speed limiter is a permanent "benefit"." http://www.triumphrat.net/cruisers-america-speedmaster/821234-2012-america-top-speed.html
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Hmmm...BSD over here claim they've done it on a bonneville America LT ....I'll give em a call soon.
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Yep....they took my vin number and say they can do it.....done it several times before to America LTs....told them about the doubts around ...they went away to check their customer records for vin numbers and came back to say theyve done it a few times lately. Booked in with them...first slot not till 23 June though.
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you could down tuneECU for free and do it yourself. You just need a PC and a OBD2 to USB cable.
although a trip to TTP could be a nice leisurely ride thru the new forest.
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I will be asking TTP for their input in due course.....weren't answering earlier today and Id like this done asap. Personally I'm a bit of a numpty when it comes to tune ecu.....it occurs to me though that if the later bikes are permanently mapped, whether I( or someone competent) could simply replace the existing map with an earlier one. Am I missing something?
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unless your ECU is locked, the speed limiter setting is adjustable with regular numbers (you don't have to break code or anything). Not so much a remap by rather an edit.
you can also adjust out the factory speedometer error. if you were to change sprockets you would have to change the settings or be way off in speed.
also accessable are the options to switch off the emissions pump and O2 sensors so those resistors are not needed.
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unless your ECU is locked, the speed limiter setting is adjustable with regular numbers (you don't have to break code or anything). Not so much a remap by rather an edit.
you can also adjust out the factory speedometer error. if you were to change sprockets you would have to change the settings or be way off in speed.
also accessable are the options to switch off the emissions pump and O2 sensors so those resistors are not needed.
Thank you...good info. I also missed a callback from TTP this afternoon so will ring them tomorrow and discuss options......
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Just cancelled my booking at BSD....their email to me in answer to my queries about a switch off led me to conclude that their work has been on earlier machines than mine. I'll talk to TTP when they open today
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FWIW the most recent vintage that I have made a ECU speed adjustment too is my 2014 thruxton. the TTP guys have their own software for their tunes that is very user friendly and vastly less risky for the novice user. Them installing, even better  plus if you are getting one of their tunes you will pick up some power and loose that 'snatchy' throttle that many of the EFI americas and speedies seem to have.
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Spoke with Mike at TTP this morning.....no way.From 2013 on these bikes are now can bus.....so no matter what I do to it, it'll never go beyond that limiter. Sh#t. That makes this the slowest bike I've owned in 40 years! Any ideas most welcome( eg....if I put an earlier ecu on it? But doesn't it need to speak to the speedo and Lord knows what else?) OK so 95 isn't too bad in everyday use but to have your bike cut onto one cylinder when trying to overtake someone who's doing something daft ...that seems a strange safety feature to me. I'll see how it gets on two up with luggage next month......but it may need to go in favour of an older model. An'Orrible Thought.... The new T 120' s etc will be can bus. What is that engine limited at? If it's not more than this one, I'm keeping my money in the bank.
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if you change your sprockets it will go faster. the speedo will not show it though. is it a critical need? speed limit is 70 mph  interesting about the model year cut off. I have worked on 2011 and 12 speedmasters as well as my 2014 without issue. also a 2013 R3 (set that one to 185!) seems odd the would change the SM and AM models ECU and not the thruxton (and I assume) bonnies.
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Yes, it's a critical need so far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure what the can bus change is about but it's serious. Does anyone here actually know how this limiter system operates? Eg. Does the ECU cut current to one or both coils at 95? If so there may in theory be a way round that.... Come on techies, tell me? Please?
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I am not sure just why you can't change the speed limiter. That it is a canbus system doesn't make it fixed and unchangeable. Its the ecu communication format (more or less)
So far as I know my thruxton and t bird are can bus (1600 t birds always have been) I have changed the limiters in both using tune ecu.
I would suggest getting cable and plugging in. If you can see the speed setting,then you can edit it. Unless there is some UK restrictions that I am not aware of.
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Was he saying that you could not load a modified tune or just that the speed limiter is locked and can not be changed? Either way, I would say ride the motorcycle loaded and see if you feel the need for more get up & go. If so then I would suggest dropping a tooth on the front sprocket as your not likely hitting the rev limiter yet. That will let you get up to top speed a little faster. Loading a TTP tune would help optimize your performance with the current configuration.
edit: I wondered and fired up my old Windows laptop. After what seemed like a rather long time (slow OS, anti-virus updates, a reboot, browser update) I downloaded the latest VIN range tunes. My rather old version of TuneECU 2.5 will open 20515map but will not open the later 20741map. Not wanting to update the TuneECU app as my hardware is so old and this works for my needs, but it seems like something is different. And I was unable to see any indication of a speed limiter displayed (like the Rev limiter & Speedo Adj/correction) on the map I could open.
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Thanks.... I do routinely ride it far and fast and one and two up ( done 6 k miles on it since November). The problem is more that I resent the fact that it cuts power to one cylinder often when I'm overtaking at 95. It's also downright embarrassing to have my friend Clive romp away from me at that speed on his old 790 speedy. As for dropping a tooth on the front cog...it might not work.....it's a speed limiter not a rev limiter.....trying to get my head round how it actually does what it does....e.g. if the ecu reads speed.....then either I will have an inaccurate speedo or it'll surely still cut out if I use a tune to compensate....? Mike at TTP was definite about this though....the limiter cannot be switched off on my model and year.
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As for dropping a tooth on the front cog...it might not work.....it's a speed limiter not a rev limiter.....trying to get my head round how it actually does what it does....e.g. if the ecu reads speed.....then either I will have an inaccurate speedo or it'll surely still cut out if I use a tune to compensate....?
It does now seem a bit more complicated  I'm not sure what your speedo is driven by. There is a speedometer correction factor in the map that can be changed with TuneECU. So you can compensate for changes at least to some degree. A tune wouldn't defeat the limiter but may improve your acceleration when near and up to it.
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Somebody guessed that the ecu might get its speed info from a hall effect trigger on the front sprocket. I'm not sure though why they'd do that in preference to counting gearbox output shaft revs and comparing these with a time measurement. It seems impossible to get any real information about this. I might try getting hold of a factory manual .
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You live in GB, Alan, call Corporate Triumph and ask to talk to one of their engineers. They tend to enjoy telling people how smart they are, when given the chance.
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The speedometer on the EFI bikes all seem to off by 5%.
Better than the 10% error on the mechanical speedometers!
So you may not even be going 95 mph.
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You live in GB, Alan, call Corporate Triumph and ask to talk to one of their engineers. They tend to enjoy telling people how smart they are, when given the chance.
That's worth doing.... cheers most of the dealers aren't even aware of the fact it's got a limiter.
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"Meanwhile, I was still thinking...." Is there a reason why an earlier ecu/ cdi unit couldn't work on my can bus bike? I'm thinking this might in the end be the simplest way of getting round the limiter......
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This still seems very odd to me, too bad you are not conveniently located, so this could be sorted out easily.
So, last weekend I was at a party and the guy had a 2013 America sitting in his garage. I asked if he ever had it over 100 mph, he said many times. I asked about the speed governor, he said it was changed when the emission stuff was removed.
So unless there are market specific models (which could be) then it should be possible to change. Can bus or no.
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This still seems very odd to me, too bad you are not conveniently located, so this could be sorted out easily.
So, last weekend I was at a party and the guy had a 2013 America sitting in his garage. I asked if he ever had it over 100 mph, he said many times. I asked about the speed governor, he said it was changed when the emission stuff was removed.
So unless there are market specific models (which could be) then it should be possible to change. Can bus or no.
Sorry but they went can bus in 014...which is my year....these can't be switched off..at least by any means I've so far discovered. TTP will get me up to 95 mph quicker than standard but no farther than that they tell me. In some respects I'll live with it if there isn't an answer....the bike itself is great.....but I resent being told by a black box how fast I'm allowed to travel.
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If anyone is interested we have now found a fix for the 95mph speed limiter on all 2012-2016 CANBUS America's and Speedmaster's.
It involves spending out on a new speedo and an EFI tune.
Just trying to see if it's worth spending the time and effort developing tunes. So say "Aye" if you're interested.
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I've added a link to this thread on the Triumph Speedmaster facebook group so hopefully that should increase the feedback.
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If anyone is interested we have now found a fix for the 95mph speed limiter on all 2012-2016 CANBUS America's and Speedmaster's.
It involves spending out on a new speedo and an EFI tune.
Just trying to see if it's worth spending the time and effort developing tunes. So say "Aye" if you're interested.
Most definitely ' Aye' from me.....and thanks for your persistence with this one.
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I've added a link to this thread on the Triumph Speedmaster facebook group so hopefully that should increase the feedback.
Thank you for that link. 
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Hi,we are receiving interest so it would seem to be viable, although we're going to give it another week to see if we receive any more responses. In the mean time have a read below to see how it can be achieved. This was written by a friend with an America called Rizzolator who put in a lot of time and effort in to the testing to get this working. Quote:
After many months trying to remove the 95-97mph speed restriction to my '16 plate Efi canbus America, I can thankfully say I've done it! I won't bore you with the painful and costly journey, unless any one really wants to know. This journey was also endured by Mike of Triumph Twin Power, who without his great knowledge, skills and expertise, but more importantly his patience(I did phone often), would not have been successful. The short version to achieve this is as follows:- 1) Obtain a Efi, canbus '15 onwards Scrambler speedo (Part number- T2503032 was what I used). 2) Obtain a America/Scrambler modified tune from Triumph Twin Power. (Speak to Mike). 3) Fit speedo. Will locate into original chrome housing, components interchangeable (For the America). 4) Install new tune to Ecu. (This was tried, tested and successful using an America and Scrambler ecu, should also work with Speedmaster, but not tested. Important! New tune will not hand shake with original America speedo, (Error code) has to be a Scrambler speedo. 5) Go out and see how fast your bike can truly go! (Track ridden, obviously).
When I test rode the new tune and mods, my bike topped out at 105mph in fifth gear, but this was with a 19T front sprocket and I had not maxed out the full rev limit. I have since learnt that if I was to stay in fourth gear up to the rev limit, that I should be able to achieve a higher speed or similar, if I went back down to an 18T in fifth. So initially 8-10mph more may not seem much or even worth it, but this was with me using my saddleman duel seat with back rest(sat higher up into the wind above the dart marlin screen), taller handlebar risers and a moderate side wind. More importantly, to me this was not all about speed, but more about being able to go as fast as the bike and set up could go without being stopped by an artificial speed restriction. There's now no looming barrier that the quicker you go the faster you reach it .......You and the bike are now free!
Mods I have carried out on my America..... TTP Stage 1 Torque Induction Kit with sai and o2 sensors removed. Bobbed front and rear fenders. 520 pitch chain replaced to 525 along with 42t rear and 19t front sprockets. Original duel seat made into a solo, similar to Mavrick customers. Led bulbs and Bonneville/Speedmaster rear light fitted. Rear indicators trimmed shorter with dark tinted lenses. Norman hyde foot controls. Original long exhausts shortened, debaffled and capped with slip-on exhaust tips. Loobman chain oiler. Avon cobra tyres. Pretech 6 pot front brake caliper and Hell extended brake line. Oxford cruiser heated grips. Dart marlin screen. Progressive 444 11.5" rear shocks. Yss cartridge valve emulators and progressive front springs. Forks lowered 10mm through top yoke. Risers extended. Dual compressor air horns. Chrome rear fender rack. Bar end thread lugs removed with 330grams of lead for anti vibration per hand grip.
I hope this is of help to anyone wishing to free their ride.....and ride safe, cheers Rizz.
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Thanks so much for this.. spent ages last year trying to work round the limiter on my TBA LT and gave up and sold it in the end... otherwise a great bike...might now buy another one
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Funny how a brand famous for the ton would limit the speed so you can't do it.
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Funny how a brand famous for the ton would limit the speed so you can't do it.
My sentiments exactly. I might not want to ton it often on the America but I'm damned if a microchip is going to tell me not to
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So Al,what you said about the T120 Bonnie having the "canbus"limiter would apply to the new SM1200 too I am assuming?
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