Do to the volume of H.D. bikes on the road I think there are more skilled riders on H.D.s then on Triumphs. See Dwight, figures can be made to say whatever you want....I ride both a Triumph and a Harley and I must say that Harley has done more to promote safe riding then any other brand, The Harley riding Academy has trained thousands of newby's to handle a bike. The program is not a joke,and many long term riders would play hell passing the test without going through the course. We are all riders here and it's all good, when riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride. My life is exciting enough, I ride to relax, not to push the boundries on public roads.