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They did sell me a bike though.

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•Yamaha XV950 (Bolt) - £7199...

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They did sell me a bike though.

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They'd make a killing if they put a fraction of the effort that they put into new model launches and accessories into their dealerships and into keeping customers happy.
Maybe don't treat their dealers like crap, after all, they're only selling the damn things ...

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besides there are just to many Harley's out there I'm sick of looking at them allready.

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. I say the more Harley's the better. It makes me and my Triumph that much more exclusive and unique.

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They did sell me a bike though.

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They'd make a killing if they put a fraction of the effort that they put into new model launches and accessories into their dealerships and into keeping customers happy.
Maybe don't treat their dealers like crap, after all, they're only selling the damn things ...

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,,,, My local H.D. dealer treats their customers like Royalty, I just think Harley needs to put more effert in product not marketing, besides there are just to many Harley's out there I'm sick of looking at them allready.

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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.

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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph.
You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them.
The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.

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There's a whole lot of truth in this statement, Kevin.

(...btw, and speaking of Indian motorcycles...I sure do love the looks of their new Springfield...especially the less raked-out front end and which I've read makes 'em handle fairly well on those aforementioned curvy roads, and especially for a big comfortable and cool lookin' motorcycle)

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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph.
You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them.
The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.

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There's a whole lot of truth in this statement, Kevin.

(...btw, and speaking of Indian motorcycles...I sure do love the looks of their new Springfield...especially the less raked-out front end and which I've read makes 'em handle fairly well on those aforementioned curvy roads, and especially for a big comfortable and cool lookin' motorcycle)

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Dwight, you gotta keep an eye on this Kevin fella ... he secretly works for the Polaris group.
He's gonna pound you to buy a Springfield now you've said that.

Happy holidays guys.

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Dwight, you gotta keep an eye on this Kevin fella ... he secretly works for the Polaris group.
He's gonna pound you to buy a Springfield now you've said that.

Happy holidays guys.

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Man, let me know when my commission check is in the mail. It's way overdue! lol

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Dwight, you gotta keep an eye on this Kevin fella ... he secretly works for the Polaris group.
He's gonna pound you to buy a Springfield now you've said that.

Happy holidays guys.

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Man, let me know when my commission check is in the mail. It's way overdue! lol

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Since I have known for quite some time Kevin, I have been intercepting your cheques all along. Thank you.

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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph.
You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them.
The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.

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There's a whole lot of truth in this statement, Kevin.

(...btw, and speaking of Indian motorcycles...I sure do love the looks of their new Springfield...especially the less raked-out front end and which I've read makes 'em handle fairly well on those aforementioned curvy roads, and especially for a big comfortable and cool lookin' motorcycle)

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Dwight, you gotta keep an eye on this Kevin fella ... he secretly works for the Polaris group.
He's gonna pound you to buy a Springfield now you've said that.

Happy holidays guys.

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Well T-Man, if Kevin can talk Judie into lettin' me get another motorcycle, and now days preferably that beautiful Indian Springfield, I'd write him a separate check for his services right this very instant!

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Sorry guys but I sure don't consider my old B/A a "handling"bike. I nice bike to ride but the rake is way to much for sporting riding. It is what it is, a slow cruiser just as it was designed to be. You may be passing the Harley guys on the twisties but that ain't saying much. No bike is good at every thing, some are hot rods, others are tour bikes and most are cruisers, it's all good.

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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.

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Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!

I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.

And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.

Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.

And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.

(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)

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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph.
You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them.
The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.

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Well T-Man, if Kevin can talk Judie into lettin' me get another motorcycle, and now days preferably that beautiful Indian Springfield, I'd write him a separate check for his services right this very instant!

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Dwight, you'll have to give me her contact information so I can work my magic for you bro!

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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.

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Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!

I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.

And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.

Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.

And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.

(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)

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Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.

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Do to the volume of H.D. bikes on the road I think there are more skilled riders on H.D.s then on Triumphs. See Dwight, figures can be made to say whatever you want....I ride both a Triumph and a Harley and I must say that Harley has done more to promote safe riding then any other brand, The Harley riding Academy has trained thousands of newby's to handle a bike. The program is not a joke,and many long term riders would play hell passing the test without going through the course. We are all riders here and it's all good, when riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride. My life is exciting enough, I ride to relax, not to push the boundries on public roads.

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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride

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. You obviously have never been to a BA.com rally.

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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride

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Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.

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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride

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. You obviously have never been to a BA.com rally.

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Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.

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Man, I hate group rides. And this is coming from a guy who is the "Road Director" of my Indian riders group chapter.

We are supposed to make group rides "by the book" to keep things as simple as possible and at or below the speed limit. For example, using a lot of right turns.

We found out the hard way that if you take folks on a twisty road, someone will drop their bike. So we tailor our monthly chapter rides to the lowest rider skill. After lunch, the cool kids break off on a hooligan ride.

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Group rides...
Someone is late...
Someone needs fuel....
Someone rides too close/ far away
Someone wants a coffee/smoke/ bladder empty...
I have two friends I ride with..we know how fast to go..
We know when we need fuel...
We like to ride far before we stop.
It works.

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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.

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Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!

I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.

And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.

Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.

And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.

(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)

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Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.

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Gotta say here OB, that your jumping to the FALSE conclusion that I somehow called YOU a lousy rider is less than "brilliant" ITSELF, dude!

Nope, read that reply of mine to you again, and then you might see that it ACTUALLY contains more the thought which Kevin expressed after I posted it, and which included the idea that because there are a lot of lousy riders out there riding motorcycles of every brand, AND because H-Ds seem to be so predominate on the road, THUS it would give people such as myself the impression that there are more lousy riders riding H-Ds than any other brand.

(...trust me here, kid...in those 50 years of riding I told you about, I also occasionally have noticed riders on big "comfortable" and "cool looking" H-Ds who seem to know how to ride 'em on more challenging roads too, and who don't seem as if leaning their big "comfortable" and "cool looking" machines over at a little speed is beyond their skill level, and who seem to know the right line to take into and out of those curves...and from how you seemed to get your nose out of joint by misreading what I said, perhaps YOU are one of those...the seemingly rare H-D owner who actually KNOWS how to ride motorcycles with some proficiency, and DIDN'T just purchase one because "it's the cool thing to do" and/or so you could indulge yourself into that "cool" little H-D "culture" thing they have goin' on!)

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Talking to you is like talking to my mother-in-law you make a point...BUT carefully word it so if someone calls you out about it you have an exit strategy at which time you spin the blame on them for "misunderstanding" what you meant. Well played. I could introduce you to her, y'all would either kill each other or fall in love.


Let me give you an example of the value that I'm talking about. Summer 2014 we left with a group of friends from Virginia Beach on a short trip to an event called Mountainfest in Morgantown West Virginia there were about 12 bikes in the group. With fuel stops and taking our time about 8 hours of straight riding but it started raining hard an hour after we left and kept it up the whole way, we also ran into heavy fog in the mountains. Exhausted and soaked when we arrived at Morgantown my wife hit sand in a low speed turn and had her first crash in many years of riding. Her Sportster went down on the left side hard but the only real damage was the shifter was bent back across the peg and jammed. We called the local Harley Davidson Dealer Triple-S in Morgantown. They quickly sent a truck to pick up her bike no tow charge. We got to the dealership who was very busy hosting activities for Mountainfest late in the afternoon, nevertheless they pushed her bike directly into the shop and started working on it immediately. They replaced the bent shifter but the linkage was jammed inside the case. they said check back in the morning they knew we were from out of town and were going to do what they could. My wife was very down as we rode on my bike to the motel. The next morning I rode to the dealership alone just to see if there was any hope. To my surprise the tech had come in early to work on her bike, had the case apart the linkage fixed and was test riding it when I got there! I rode back and got my wife by the time we got back to the dealership about 10am they were drying it off after a thorough cleaning. I was stunned by this level of customer service, they saved the trip. In my opinion this would not have been possible on any other brand of motorcycle. I believe the nearest Triumph dealer for example was 3 hours from that location and I doubt they would have had the necessary parts in stock and it would be hard to match the positive attitude and service we received. So if that's part of what you sarcastically call "cool" I'll take it.

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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.

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Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!

I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.

And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.

Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.

And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.

(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)

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Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.

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Gotta say here OB, that your jumping to the FALSE conclusion that I somehow called YOU a lousy rider is less than "brilliant" ITSELF, dude!

Nope, read that reply of mine to you again, and then you might see that it ACTUALLY contains more the thought which Kevin expressed after I posted it, and which included the idea that because there are a lot of lousy riders out there riding motorcycles of every brand, AND because H-Ds seem to be so predominate on the road, THUS it would give people such as myself the impression that there are more lousy riders riding H-Ds than any other brand.

(...trust me here, kid...in those 50 years of riding I told you about, I also occasionally have noticed riders on big "comfortable" and "cool looking" H-Ds who seem to know how to ride 'em on more challenging roads too, and who don't seem as if leaning their big "comfortable" and "cool looking" machines over at a little speed is beyond their skill level, and who seem to know the right line to take into and out of those curves...and from how you seemed to get your nose out of joint by misreading what I said, perhaps YOU are one of those...the seemingly rare H-D owner who actually KNOWS how to ride motorcycles with some proficiency, and DIDN'T just purchase one because "it's the cool thing to do" and/or so you could indulge yourself into that "cool" little H-D "culture" thing they have goin' on!)

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Group rides...
Someone is late...
Someone needs fuel....
Someone rides too close/ far away
Someone wants a coffee/smoke/ bladder empty...
I have two friends I ride with..we know how fast to go..
We know when we need fuel...
We like to ride far before we stop.
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Agreed.

An even bigger problem on group rides is that people crash and/or drop their bikes. We've seen everything from minor low-speed drops to life-threatening accidents. A couple of months back a buddy of mine organized a large group ride where one very reckless rider died. That's hard to get out of your head.

Ride safe guys.

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Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.

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Hell Dwight when I go to a rally with some of the regular ba.com rally boys and girls most of the time I just try to keep up and hope for the best. They don't adjust for anything except how fast they can make the next curve. Of course I'm not going to mention any names.

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Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.

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Hell Dwight when I go to a rally with some of the regular ba.com rally boys and girls most of the time I just try to keep up and hope for the best. They don't adjust for anything except how fast they can make the next curve. Of course I'm not going to mention any names.

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Seems like I was the one bringing up the rear in Kentucky this last year Paul.

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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride

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Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.

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Hell Dwight when I go to a rally with some of the regular ba.com rally boys and girls most of the time I just try to keep up and hope for the best. They don't adjust for anything except how fast they can make the next curve. Of course I'm not going to mention any names.

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Seems like I was the one bringing up the rear in Kentucky this last year Paul.

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Not anymore Billy. You could be right up there with Charlie w your new R-3T next rally.

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Gentlemen, and ladies. I believe the chances of a new Speedy or America are very slim. A 1200/900 Speedy would kill sales of the Bobber. Here's a video some may enjoy, some may not.

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My son got a new Speed Triple today. While at the dealer this afternoon of course I asked about the Speedy and America. This sales guy said they are doing a complete makeover of them and they won't be out until 2018 or '19. Just thought I'd add another rumor to the mill.