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It's really a new day when a Harley is the least expensive of the premium models out there. I guess when you make the same basic bike for 20 years the cost goes down. I like the Octane and the Scout,have not yet seen the Goose or Bobber in person.
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They did sell me a bike though.
They'd make a killing if they put a fraction of the effort that they put into new model launches and accessories into their dealerships and into keeping customers happy. Maybe don't treat their dealers like crap, after all, they're only selling the damn things ...
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•Yamaha XV950 (Bolt) - £7199...
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The Bolt is just a poor copy of an 883 Iron, Now the new Yamaha Scrambler is appealing. I know it's basicly the same bike but I just don't like Clones of anything. One of my favorite little sayings is, I'd rather wear a Timex than a fake Rolex. I feel the same about the old Yami 650's that are so hot on the used market, If you want a Triumph, buy one, not a Jap trying to be a Triumph.
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They did sell me a bike though.
They'd make a killing if they put a fraction of the effort that they put into new model launches and accessories into their dealerships and into keeping customers happy. Maybe don't treat their dealers like crap, after all, they're only selling the damn things ...
,,,, My local H.D. dealer treats their customers like Royalty, I just think Harley needs to put more effert in product not marketing, besides there are just to many Harley's out there I'm sick of looking at them allready.
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besides there are just to many Harley's out there I'm sick of looking at them allready.
. I say the more Harley's the better. It makes me and my Triumph that much more exclusive and unique. 
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Here is the pricing from Windy City Triumph.
Jet Black- $11,900 Morello Red or Ironstone- $12,150 Competition Green/Frozen Silver two tone- $12,400
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I have to reluctantly agree about Triumph service. When I go into a Harley shop I'm greeted, offered a coffee and served by enthusiastic knowledgeable people. Triumph could learn from this. On the other hand HD seems to operate the following pricing scales..... £3 £30 £300 £3000...
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They did sell me a bike though.
They'd make a killing if they put a fraction of the effort that they put into new model launches and accessories into their dealerships and into keeping customers happy. Maybe don't treat their dealers like crap, after all, they're only selling the damn things ...
,,,, My local H.D. dealer treats their customers like Royalty, I just think Harley needs to put more effert in product not marketing, besides there are just to many Harley's out there I'm sick of looking at them allready.
Look at it from Harley's perspective for a change. Every Jap and many European motorcycle companies embrace the latest ultra high tech trend and some even compete in high end road racing to prove their 200 mile per hour bikes are the best. Cool. Meanwhile Harley Davidson has intentionally gone in the opposite direction and it has made them the undisputed leader in the American motorcycle market. Further they are selling the most profitable type of motorcycle in the most profitable market. In short since Willie and the boys bought the company back in the early 1980's they went from last to first in the market. So...why copy what the companies they defeated are doing? For bragging rights that their bike won the Isle Of Mann TT one year? Not worth it. Does it translate to sales/profit? Not really. So some kid who has never been on a race track buys a Honda 1000RR that he honestly can't legally ride near it's potential on the street. The bike is cramped, uncomfortable and high strung but he has bragging rights and that's what's important...right? Do you drive an F-1 car on the street every day? No. In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.
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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.
Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!
I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.
And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.
Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.
And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.
(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)
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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph. You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them. The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding. 
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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph. You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them. The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.
There's a whole lot of truth in this statement, Kevin. 
(...btw, and speaking of Indian motorcycles...I sure do love the looks of their new Springfield...especially the less raked-out front end and which I've read makes 'em handle fairly well on those aforementioned curvy roads, and especially for a big comfortable and cool lookin' motorcycle)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph. You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them. The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.
There's a whole lot of truth in this statement, Kevin. 
(...btw, and speaking of Indian motorcycles...I sure do love the looks of their new Springfield...especially the less raked-out front end and which I've read makes 'em handle fairly well on those aforementioned curvy roads, and especially for a big comfortable and cool lookin' motorcycle)
Dwight, you gotta keep an eye on this Kevin fella ... he secretly works for the Polaris group. He's gonna pound you to buy a Springfield now you've said that. 
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Sorry guys but I sure don't consider my old B/A a "handling"bike. I nice bike to ride but the rake is way to much for sporting riding. It is what it is, a slow cruiser just as it was designed to be. You may be passing the Harley guys on the twisties but that ain't saying much. No bike is good at every thing, some are hot rods, others are tour bikes and most are cruisers, it's all good.
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... Dwight, you gotta keep an eye on this Kevin fella ... he secretly works for the Polaris group. He's gonna pound you to buy a Springfield now you've said that. 
Happy holidays guys.
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Agreed......over here the Harley is a big seller to the recently retired......who often haven't ridden a bike for many years. I also know it's a lot easier to throw my TBA about than it is to try the same on my Switchback......
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... Dwight, you gotta keep an eye on this Kevin fella ... he secretly works for the Polaris group. He's gonna pound you to buy a Springfield now you've said that. 
Happy holidays guys.
Man, let me know when my commission check is in the mail. It's way overdue! lol
Since I have known for quite some time Kevin, I have been intercepting your cheques all along. Thank you. 
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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph. You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them. The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.
There's a whole lot of truth in this statement, Kevin. 
(...btw, and speaking of Indian motorcycles...I sure do love the looks of their new Springfield...especially the less raked-out front end and which I've read makes 'em handle fairly well on those aforementioned curvy roads, and especially for a big comfortable and cool lookin' motorcycle)
Dwight, you gotta keep an eye on this Kevin fella ... he secretly works for the Polaris group. He's gonna pound you to buy a Springfield now you've said that. 
Happy holidays guys.

Well T-Man, if Kevin can talk Judie into lettin' me get another motorcycle, and now days preferably that beautiful Indian Springfield, I'd write him a separate check for his services right this very instant! 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Sorry guys but I sure don't consider my old B/A a "handling"bike. I nice bike to ride but the rake is way to much for sporting riding. It is what it is, a slow cruiser just as it was designed to be. You may be passing the Harley guys on the twisties but that ain't saying much. No bike is good at every thing, some are hot rods, others are tour bikes and most are cruisers, it's all good.
While you do make somewhat of a valid point about the BA/SM's raked-out front ends not being conducive to the sharpest of handling, Dennis, as Alan just pretty much said here, throwing around a 575lb machine in the twisties IS and always will be a hell of a lot easier a task than doing the same on an 800+lb big twin Harley or any other large cruiser.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Anything is possible, I've read that the fastest bike on the Tail of the Dragon is a Gold Wing owned by a local. Kind of hard to believe but I read it on the internet so it must be true.
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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.
Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!
I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.
And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.
Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.
And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.
(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)
Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.
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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph. You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them. The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.
Agreed.
And some of those old gray beards might not be as good as they once were when they were younger and the joints on their body didn't hurt for no reason. And of course old men never touch whiskey before riding...but most old riders will tell you all about the Triumph they had when they were young!
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Well T-Man, if Kevin can talk Judie into lettin' me get another motorcycle, and now days preferably that beautiful Indian Springfield, I'd write him a separate check for his services right this very instant!
Dwight, you'll have to give me her contact information so I can work my magic for you bro! 
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Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!
I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.
And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.
Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.
And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.
(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)
Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.
Gotta say here OB, that your jumping to the FALSE conclusion that I somehow called YOU a lousy rider is less than "brilliant" ITSELF, dude!
Nope, read that reply of mine to you again, and then you might see that it ACTUALLY contains more the thought which Kevin expressed after I posted it, and which included the idea that because there are a lot of lousy riders out there riding motorcycles of every brand, AND because H-Ds seem to be so predominate on the road, THUS it would give people such as myself the impression that there are more lousy riders riding H-Ds than any other brand.
(...trust me here, kid...in those 50 years of riding I told you about, I also occasionally have noticed riders on big "comfortable" and "cool looking" H-Ds who seem to know how to ride 'em on more challenging roads too, and who don't seem as if leaning their big "comfortable" and "cool looking" machines over at a little speed is beyond their skill level, and who seem to know the right line to take into and out of those curves...and from how you seemed to get your nose out of joint by misreading what I said, perhaps YOU are one of those...the seemingly rare H-D owner who actually KNOWS how to ride motorcycles with some proficiency, and DIDN'T just purchase one because "it's the cool thing to do" and/or so you could indulge yourself into that "cool" little H-D "culture" thing they have goin' on!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Do to the volume of H.D. bikes on the road I think there are more skilled riders on H.D.s then on Triumphs. See Dwight, figures can be made to say whatever you want....I ride both a Triumph and a Harley and I must say that Harley has done more to promote safe riding then any other brand, The Harley riding Academy has trained thousands of newby's to handle a bike. The program is not a joke,and many long term riders would play hell passing the test without going through the course. We are all riders here and it's all good, when riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride. My life is exciting enough, I ride to relax, not to push the boundries on public roads.
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Do to the volume of H.D. bikes on the road I think there are more skilled riders on H.D.s then on Triumphs. See Dwight, figures can be made to say whatever you want....I ride both a Triumph and a Harley and I must say that Harley has done more to promote safe riding then any other brand, The Harley riding Academy has trained thousands of newby's to handle a bike. The program is not a joke,and many long term riders would play hell passing the test without going through the course. We are all riders here and it's all good, when riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride. My life is exciting enough, I ride to relax, not to push the boundries on public roads.
I think you made some good point here, Dennis.
Perhaps in MY case it might be more the thought that I've always pretty such found myself having more fun while tacking a challenging road, and NOT at 9-to-10/10th of my and bike's capabilities as that of course is strictly for the track, but at maybe 7-to-8/10th of my and my bike's capabilities (as I've found this helps keep my riding skills up to snuff) and than just cruising along some straight, and as I call 'em, "boring" road.
(...and because the concept of leaning a motorcycle into turns has always been the thing that I've felt makes motorcycling such the unique motor vehicle-based endeavor that it is)
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Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.
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Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.
Man, I hate group rides. And this is coming from a guy who is the "Road Director" of my Indian riders group chapter. 
We are supposed to make group rides "by the book" to keep things as simple as possible and at or below the speed limit. For example, using a lot of right turns. 
We found out the hard way that if you take folks on a twisty road, someone will drop their bike. So we tailor our monthly chapter rides to the lowest rider skill. After lunch, the cool kids break off on a hooligan ride. 
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Group rides... Someone is late... Someone needs fuel.... Someone rides too close/ far away Someone wants a coffee/smoke/ bladder empty... I have two friends I ride with..we know how fast to go.. We know when we need fuel... We like to ride far before we stop. It works.
I took the Road Less Travelled.
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Group rides... Someone is late... Someone needs fuel.... Someone rides too close/ far away Someone wants a coffee/smoke/ bladder empty... I have two friends I ride with..we know how fast to go.. We know when we need fuel... We like to ride far before we stop. It works.

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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.
Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!
I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.
And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.
Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.
And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.
(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)
Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.
Gotta say here OB, that your jumping to the FALSE conclusion that I somehow called YOU a lousy rider is less than "brilliant" ITSELF, dude!
Nope, read that reply of mine to you again, and then you might see that it ACTUALLY contains more the thought which Kevin expressed after I posted it, and which included the idea that because there are a lot of lousy riders out there riding motorcycles of every brand, AND because H-Ds seem to be so predominate on the road, THUS it would give people such as myself the impression that there are more lousy riders riding H-Ds than any other brand.
(...trust me here, kid...in those 50 years of riding I told you about, I also occasionally have noticed riders on big "comfortable" and "cool looking" H-Ds who seem to know how to ride 'em on more challenging roads too, and who don't seem as if leaning their big "comfortable" and "cool looking" machines over at a little speed is beyond their skill level, and who seem to know the right line to take into and out of those curves...and from how you seemed to get your nose out of joint by misreading what I said, perhaps YOU are one of those...the seemingly rare H-D owner who actually KNOWS how to ride motorcycles with some proficiency, and DIDN'T just purchase one because "it's the cool thing to do" and/or so you could indulge yourself into that "cool" little H-D "culture" thing they have goin' on!)
Talking to you is like talking to my mother-in-law you make a point...BUT carefully word it so if someone calls you out about it you have an exit strategy at which time you spin the blame on them for "misunderstanding" what you meant. Well played. I could introduce you to her, y'all would either kill each other or fall in love.

Let me give you an example of the value that I'm talking about. Summer 2014 we left with a group of friends from Virginia Beach on a short trip to an event called Mountainfest in Morgantown West Virginia there were about 12 bikes in the group. With fuel stops and taking our time about 8 hours of straight riding but it started raining hard an hour after we left and kept it up the whole way, we also ran into heavy fog in the mountains. Exhausted and soaked when we arrived at Morgantown my wife hit sand in a low speed turn and had her first crash in many years of riding. Her Sportster went down on the left side hard but the only real damage was the shifter was bent back across the peg and jammed. We called the local Harley Davidson Dealer Triple-S in Morgantown. They quickly sent a truck to pick up her bike no tow charge. We got to the dealership who was very busy hosting activities for Mountainfest late in the afternoon, nevertheless they pushed her bike directly into the shop and started working on it immediately. They replaced the bent shifter but the linkage was jammed inside the case. they said check back in the morning they knew we were from out of town and were going to do what they could. My wife was very down as we rode on my bike to the motel. The next morning I rode to the dealership alone just to see if there was any hope. To my surprise the tech had come in early to work on her bike, had the case apart the linkage fixed and was test riding it when I got there! I rode back and got my wife by the time we got back to the dealership about 10am they were drying it off after a thorough cleaning. I was stunned by this level of customer service, they saved the trip. In my opinion this would not have been possible on any other brand of motorcycle. I believe the nearest Triumph dealer for example was 3 hours from that location and I doubt they would have had the necessary parts in stock and it would be hard to match the positive attitude and service we received. So if that's part of what you sarcastically call "cool" I'll take it.
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2012 Harley Davidson 1200C Sportster
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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.
Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!
I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.
And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.
Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.
And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.
(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)
Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.
Gotta say here OB, that your jumping to the FALSE conclusion that I somehow called YOU a lousy rider is less than "brilliant" ITSELF, dude!
Nope, read that reply of mine to you again, and then you might see that it ACTUALLY contains more the thought which Kevin expressed after I posted it, and which included the idea that because there are a lot of lousy riders out there riding motorcycles of every brand, AND because H-Ds seem to be so predominate on the road, THUS it would give people such as myself the impression that there are more lousy riders riding H-Ds than any other brand.
(...trust me here, kid...in those 50 years of riding I told you about, I also occasionally have noticed riders on big "comfortable" and "cool looking" H-Ds who seem to know how to ride 'em on more challenging roads too, and who don't seem as if leaning their big "comfortable" and "cool looking" machines over at a little speed is beyond their skill level, and who seem to know the right line to take into and out of those curves...and from how you seemed to get your nose out of joint by misreading what I said, perhaps YOU are one of those...the seemingly rare H-D owner who actually KNOWS how to ride motorcycles with some proficiency, and DIDN'T just purchase one because "it's the cool thing to do" and/or so you could indulge yourself into that "cool" little H-D "culture" thing they have goin' on!)
Don't waste your time explaining yourself to this dude, Dwight. Riding-wise you are in a class of a very few. I am sure others here who know will agree. I have personal experience.
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Group rides... Someone is late... Someone needs fuel.... Someone rides too close/ far away Someone wants a coffee/smoke/ bladder empty... I have two friends I ride with..we know how fast to go.. We know when we need fuel... We like to ride far before we stop. It works.
Agreed.
An even bigger problem on group rides is that people crash and/or drop their bikes. We've seen everything from minor low-speed drops to life-threatening accidents. A couple of months back a buddy of mine organized a large group ride where one very reckless rider died. That's hard to get out of your head.
Ride safe guys. 
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Mr. Outerbanks, I for one read your post and could not agree more. I have had nothing but good service from my local H>D> dealer. We need more Triumph dealers who carry more inventory but hopefully that will come in time.
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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride
. You obviously have never been to a BA.com rally.
Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.
Hell Dwight when I go to a rally with some of the regular ba.com rally boys and girls most of the time I just try to keep up and hope for the best. They don't adjust for anything except how fast they can make the next curve. Of course I'm not going to mention any names. 
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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride
. You obviously have never been to a BA.com rally.
Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.
Hell Dwight when I go to a rally with some of the regular ba.com rally boys and girls most of the time I just try to keep up and hope for the best. They don't adjust for anything except how fast they can make the next curve. Of course I'm not going to mention any names.
Seems like I was the one bringing up the rear in Kentucky this last year Paul. 
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Thank you Mr. Tinmantwo the outstanding service from Triple-S Harley Davidson was even more impressive considering my wife and I did not buy our bikes there, had never been there before and since we were from out of state were unlikely to return.
There have been other excellent dealer experiences. The night I took delivery of my new 2014 Harley Davidson From Southside here in Virginia there was an intense thunderstorm that knocked out the power for blocks. I said well I guess I'll get off work early again tomorrow and come back to get the bike. The manager asked if I wanted to finish the deal then, I said how? With no power for the computers they hand wrote every document by flashlight and stayed open after normal hours to get everything done.
If I get another new Triumph it will be from only one dealer Ray Price Triumph in Raleigh North Carolina. I bought my TBA from them and they were so good I went back and custom ordered my wife's 2012 Sportster from them. Ray Price is rare because they sell both Triumph and Harley Davidson from the same connecting showroom. Their Triumph side has the same high end appearance and extensive inventory as the Harley side.
2011 Triumph America (10/2011 to 07/2014)
2012 Harley Davidson 1200C Sportster
2014 Harley Davidson Dyna Wide Glide
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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride
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Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.
Hell Dwight when I go to a rally with some of the regular ba.com rally boys and girls most of the time I just try to keep up and hope for the best. They don't adjust for anything except how fast they can make the next curve. Of course I'm not going to mention any names.
Seems like I was the one bringing up the rear in Kentucky this last year Paul.
Not anymore Billy. You could be right up there with Charlie w your new R-3T next rally. 
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Gentlemen, and ladies. I believe the chances of a new Speedy or America are very slim. A 1200/900 Speedy would kill sales of the Bobber. Here's a video some may enjoy, some may not.
Bob
My son got a new Speed Triple today. While at the dealer this afternoon of course I asked about the Speedy and America. This sales guy said they are doing a complete makeover of them and they won't be out until 2018 or '19. Just thought I'd add another rumor to the mill.
"Catching a yellow jacket in your shirt at seventy miles per hour can double your vocabulary" Author unknown
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