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Not sure if this is second hand information or not but I've just looked on the Triumph website and there is a live stream of what they're calling 'Brutal Beauty' launch on 19 October 7pm GMT
There is a tank picture and reflected is what looks the bike's shadow showing a bobber-style single seat.
I imagine this is the bike from spy shots posted recently
Just put 'Triumph Brutal Beauty' in YouTube and you'll get the Triumph vid and the spy pics too.
Are those front indicators wrapped in leather??!
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really hard to tell what the finish is on the front indicators. i kinda like the drop bar end mirror.
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I saw this.I don't like it much but we'll see how it is in the flesh.A bigger motor [1,200cc] cruiser would float my boat.
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A bigger motor [1,200cc] cruiser would float my boat.
There are loads of 1200cc+ cruisers ...
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A bigger motor [1,200cc] cruiser would float my boat.
There are loads of 1200cc+ cruisers ...
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Not Speedmasters or Americas
My America is Beautiful.A version with the new factory 1,200cc engine,and it would be a perfect world 
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True but the world doesn't stop at Speedys or Americas! I had a Yam XVS1300 for a couple of years. Sold it 6mths or so ago. Absolutely belting little bike. Much faster, more comfortable and handled as well as (if not better) than my America.
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True but the world doesn't stop at Speedys or Americas! I had a Yam XVS1300 for a couple of years. Sold it 6mths or so ago. Absolutely belting little bike. Much faster, more comfortable and handled as well as (if not better) than my America.
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It stops with Triumph for me these days. I had two jap bikes that I did lots of miles on and were very good,one AMF Harley that was s***,but over the years I've had four Triumphs.A T110 was my first road bike[When I was 13 a BSA Bantam "bush basher" was my first]. IF I ever get another, which would very likely be my last,it'd be a Triumph.
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AMF Harley that was s*** ...
Yeah, I'm sure that's where the 'Harley is rubbish' movement came from. From what I've read that was a bad time for them and people never forgot that.
I'm sure the 1200 will be going into the America and Speedy and they could even keep the 865 going and add an America / Speedy 1200 to the range.
They wouldn't be the first manufacturer to have several cc models in the range by keeping the America and Speedy and having cruisers of 865 / 1200 / 1700 / 2300 capacities.
Also they seem to be happy shoving multiple models together. The Tiger and Explorer each has 8 different model variations! And the Bonny? Christ there are 11 variations of the Bonneville name (inc America / Speedy) in one guise or another on the go at the minute so slotting a couple more in won't hurt.
They've bought back the Trophy, Thunderbird and T120 names, maybe dredge up another old name for a new 1200cc bike. How about a new Trident or Adventurer ? Hell, why not the Tina ?! 
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They could call it the T110.That way I'd have come full circle.  My mate had an XLCH 1974 Sportster and I bought the 1974 XLH Sportster. BOTH heaps of ****.Although if they,re stripped to the bones and put together right by someone who knows what they're about, apparently they're decent enough. Another friend has a 1430cc Harley today and it's a great bike.Big mileage.The only trouble he has had was a 40 dollar electrical sensor that caused major headaches until it was tracked down.
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I think I read it was '69 to '80-odd that AMC owned H-D. Cost cutting was the killer.
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It was the same problem the English bikes faced in the early 70's, Workers were very unhappy with the changes put in place. AMF ramped up production without regard to QC, AMF did put a lot of money into HD, and the EVO engine was the best thing to come out of their ownership. The EVO saved Harley while the Brits did not make it... Until now of course !!!
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UK suffered from the import of better quality faster and better handling bikes from Japan and the UK bike manufacturers were too slow to even attempt to play catch up.
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I bought a new 1971 Triumph Tiger.Another lemon.IMO it was that bike that nailed the lid on the UK bike coffin.We all wanted Brit./US bikes but the japs came in and did it better and cheaper. Harleys were too expensive and the QC of Brit bikes had gone out the window by 1971.
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First impression - it's not quite as bad looking as I thought it was going to be. I looked on their website at just after 7pm GMT to see the launch 'with special guests' and the link didn't work. So much for the big launch, eh? 
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First impression - it's not quite as bad looking as I thought it was going to be
I love the front end. The rear just doesn't make any sense to me. If I wanted to do that to a Bonnie, I'd do a custom of some kind, not a factory.
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I think I like it better without a rider than with a rider.
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You might be right  Get one for show, put it in the corner of the man cave maybe?
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You might be right  Get one for show, put it in the corner of the man cave maybe?
I like it, but not for me I'm afraid.Nice to ride around town.No pillion?.As you say nice for the "Man cave",1,200 engine .If I was 18 again and "strap on a sleeping bag and go" it would be ok.It's sort of the style we did "way back then". I am disappointed there's no cruiser.
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I like it. It is nice to see Triumph making some bold moves and the performance and handling should be awesome. Hope it makes the Sporty and Scout blink. No place for the wife so not for me, but I still like it.
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One problem could be carrying stuff but I guess a back pack would do or a tank bag.
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I think it will sell well, The Hipsters will eat it up. I'm very impressed that Triumph keeps bringing out new product that hits the mark. Bring on the new America !!
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Ok, we've seen this one. If I was 18 again, wore skinny jeans and Vans shoes, and my old man was rich......
Does anyone know when the complete new line up will be revealed? When's the annual dealer meeting?
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The Hipsters will eat it up.
My thoughts exactly. Us fat blokes will look a little out of place on one I think. All the images and videos show pretty young things with perfect teeth, coiffured hair and they all seem to have the ideal lifestyle. Granted, some bloke watching tv on the sofa in his wife beater supping a six pack of beer isn't going to sell bikes but a little more realism wouldn't hurt now, would it? You know, blokes like Dave and Steve meeting at the café for a cuppa and a bacon sarny rather than Atticus and Lazlo (without the 's' of course), meeting up for an organic tofu and kale smoothy topped off with a parmesan foam!!
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organic tofu and kale smoothy topped off with a parmesan foam!!
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UK suffered from the import of better quality faster and better handling bikes from Japan and the UK bike manufacturers were too slow to even attempt to play catch up.
I agree, it was a shame because they had serious warnings. When the 305 Honda motor came out they should have taken note. But 1969 with the 750 Four it was over for them.
Old man Honda didn't keep it a secret. They intended to make fast, reliable and affordable bikes. They did. Harley and the British sat on their logos doing nothing to compete.
We make fun of AMF but had they not been involved for a decade the Harley name would just be in the history books. They made the HD branding and logo wear a big business. So who needs engineering to go with it. 
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I don't like that bobber at all. My big fear is that they don't update the America/Speedmaster line in an attempt to push cruiser riders into the Thunderbird line.
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You cry-babies...  Forget the name "goober" - thats bloody marketing-speech to make a new kind of bike sellable. If people do not know how to call - how can they speak about it? I am sure thats it will be one hell of a bike, the engine is great and they tried to make it more rideable then poor old Amis and Speedies which where made to satisfy the american market - thats why it was called Bonneville America. The design ist not saying "Bobber" it is screaming out lod "5t" and "Heritage" and "SpeedTwin" (that name is also reserved by Triumph, so wait for whats coming). Look at this old beauty and say to the new one "Its not a Bobber, it's a Triumph, Baby"  Old:  New: 
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I would get a smack in the head from wife if I brought one of them back from the dealer. where's she going to put all her stuff? 
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I would get a smack in the head from wife if I brought one of them back from the dealer. where's she going to put all her stuff?
All her stuff? Where are you going to put her or you if she's doing the driving?
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I like it. It has the classic rear triangle and a fine line from the rear axle to the neck. Very nice.
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The Hipsters will eat it up.
My thoughts exactly. Us fat blokes will look a little out of place on one I think. All the images and videos show pretty young things with perfect teeth, coiffured hair and they all seem to have the ideal lifestyle. Granted, some bloke watching tv on the sofa in his wife beater supping a six pack of beer isn't going to sell bikes but a little more realism wouldn't hurt now, would it? You know, blokes like Dave and Steve meeting at the café for a cuppa and a bacon sarny rather than Atticus and Lazlo (without the 's' of course), meeting up for an organic tofu and kale smoothy topped off with a parmesan foam!!
As I said, I'm growing to like it, but it needs some sort of rear seat/pillion pad or at least something to attache bags/stuff to the rear end.
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Not bad for a water cooled bike.
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If only they would have put upright springs under the rear of the seat. 
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... but it needs some sort of rear seat/pillion pad or at least something to attache bags/stuff to the rear end.
It's not a touring bike for pillions and camping trips. As a second bike to go out for a thrash with your mates, it's ideal. Anyway, if you need to carry a mobile, keys and spare glasses etc, something like this will fit that swingarm ...

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I like the look. I would have stuck some old school cocktail shakers on it, the pipes look too modern.
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... but it needs some sort of rear seat/pillion pad or at least something to attache bags/stuff to the rear end.
It's not a touring bike for pillions and camping trips. As a second bike to go out for a thrash with your mates, it's ideal. Anyway, if you need to carry a mobile, keys and spare glasses etc, something like this will fit that swingarm ...
I didn't mean a whole grand poobah touring seat with all the bells and whistles, just a small pillion pad.Big enough to give someone a lift to the pub or to strap a small bag on.Yes the side bag is good and I read somewhere Triumph will have them as accessories.
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