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So, today all the illegal aliens are going to attempt to protest by not going to work or go shopping today. Some businesses that support allowing the illegals being here are closing today. My personal opinion is that I hope it all backfires on them and with any luck they will realize that we do not need them here because it wont affect the overall economy much at all. The businesses that shut down will only be hurting themselves. In fact, I am going to try and pay attention to the businesses that are closing today for the protests (I have to be careful about that since barbershops and most Triumph dealers are usually closed on Mondays anyway) and never patronize them at all.
On another note. I was talking to one of my neighbors who is from Mexico. He has been here for almost 20 years and did it completely legal (is now an American). He absolutley completely does not like those those that are here illegally at all (that is putting as nice as I possibly can, you should hear this guy go off about it).
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A good friend of mine (since passed away), married a Mexican gal, when she was about 16. She didn't speak English then, and he didn't speak Spanish.
Anyway, she became an American citizen the proper way and has raised five wonderful children. She absolutely detests illegals.
Simple solution to the closed-on-Monday barbershop problem: don't go to a union shop! Easy for me to say, as my barber just retired from semi-retirement. Now he cuts hair at his home, in his utility room, using a small barber chair he got years ago.
Oh, he also rides a 650 Suzuki Bergman and owns a '53 Hudson.
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Well - better judgement says to keep my mouth shut - But concience won't let me - Here goes and sorry If it pisses anyone off. Its my story and I'm stickin' to it.
I don't think anyone is happy about the situation or the circumstances. However, before we blame every wet back for the debacle we need to look at why they are here. They're here because we welcome them, tolerate them, and allow them to cross the borders relatively unencumbered. The circumstances of why they are here originate within the borders as much or more than they do because of the external reasons. Somebody wants these people here for cheap labor. Somebody wants them here to do the stuff nobody else wants to do. Somebody wants them here because they generally work for low wages as well as long hours. Somebody wants them because, once here, they are a captive work force with little or no rights. And NOBODY wants to pay $5 for a head of lettuce. So, before we take rage on these folks for having opinions, and before we get pissed because they are in such increasing numbers that their opinions and actions begin to count - we had better take a look in the mirror. And before we start a hate campaign against anyone with a foreign accent, we'd better understand that we, the US population have exploited these people for ever. They have a need for a better life and we have needs. To accomplish the end, we - and only we - have provided the means. We've made access easy, we've made jobs plentiful, we've allowed members of our own citizenry to remain on welfare rolls while giving the jobs they could/should be required to do to foreigners - Many of whom come here illegally. We see the enemy folks - and they is us.
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I do not welcome them, I will not tolerate them either. We need to close the border to all but legal traffic..
I am sick of hearing the argument "$5 for a head of lettuce". I can not prove this, but I strongly believe, allowing cheap illegal labor is a net decline in productivity as industry is not forced to innovate to stay competitive. Elminate the source of cheap labor and industry will find another way to keep its costs down.
The enemy is not the 80% of the citizens who want our borders protected.
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You are right, this is an issue that has been brewing many many many years and should have been seriously addresses and resolved many many many years ago. I absolutely have no problem with anyone coming here from any other country at all. All I ask is, "Stand in line like everyone else that is here legally".
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there are ways of doing it right. there are also fees to be paid to become a citizen and that money would be a considerable amount back to our economy if they went about it the right way to become a citizen. also my other problem is with illegal alians they do not pay taxes and send so much money back to there countries, with all of the illegals that would be a lot of money back in our economy that should make a considerable difference. but we are the ones who allow it to happen, its not there fault, we give hem jobs and free healthcare (at least here in mass) so why not take advantage of it.
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oh learning the language would be nice also
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I think they are trying to show us how great life would be if they weren't around. Today I drove into work and there was no traffic. My friend is a teacher at a high school, instead of having 25 students, today she has 17!!!
How about we send them all home and see how different life would be!!!
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I find it interesting that they picked the date of the big USSR holiday instead of the big Mexican holiday on Friday.
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I don't agree with the "we" stuff. Big business and the wealthy have created this problem by providing jobs for the illegals. Government has made the problem worse by providing health care and driver's licenses for the illegals. "We" didn't do it....
As for the jobs that no one else will do, I did those kinds of jobs when I was a kid, and so did all the other kids I knew, except of course, the rich ones.....
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You know this really shows how divided and how unamerican these people are. They are clearly saying it's us against them.
If businesses can't function without immigrant labor, then they shouldn't be in business. They are the problem. Illegals can't be here if they can't work, plain and simple.
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I think the organizers picked May 1 to rub our noses into the fact that there is nothing we can do about it. The fix is already in with the federal government. I hope this backfires.
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I agree nearly 100%. But you can't get inovative with the purely mundane repetitious, manual crap. For that stuff - The nursing home work, the gardening, the farm labor, the septic tank suckers, the harvesting, etc., I say "Get the lazy American asses on their feet and do the grunt work "in-house".
If we don't get the work done cheap and in-house and you still want that work done or those products provided - Looks like we're buyin' Chinese lettuce.
If 80% of us are really opposed we wouldn't be in this situation. You may be doing your part, but, the vast majority of your counterparts are not. If they were, these supposed unwelcome guests wouldn't be here and there wouldn't be a line of additional boarder crossers right behind them.
Out-sourcing is killing the ecomomy, it's killing worker productivity, its killing the profits of those trying to do the right thing. Illegal Labor is nothing more than 'internal' out sourcing - Hell its probably even cheaper than outsourcing - There's no shipping cost, and, if we don't come to our senses soon it all goes to hell in a hand basket. All I'm saying is that this 80% oposition of yours is not guilt free. I'd be more inclined to say 80% of us are going about our business with blinders on. And now we want to blame the illegals - Its US my friend. Me, you, and your 80%. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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by we i ment government, my mistake  Frank
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when the governemnt allows these people to beocme citizens, unions will step in and farmers and whatnot will get screwed and the same thing that happened to the auto companys will happen to farmers and contractors and everything else
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I find it interesting that they picked the date of the big USSR holiday instead of the big Mexican holiday on Friday.
Heaven forbid that they would schedule this on Cinco de Freaking Mayo. The parks in Tucson on the southside will bristle with food booths, mariachi music and celebrations all weekend. The tequila and cervesas will be flowing.
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I don't agree with the "we" stuff. Big business and the wealthy have created this problem by providing jobs for the illegals. Government has made the problem worse by providing health care and driver's licenses for the illegals. "We" didn't do it....
As for the jobs that no one else will do, I did those kinds of jobs when I was a kid, and so did all the other kids I knew, except of course, the rich ones.....
I'll agree with that. When I say "we", I mean those that did it - Your Government and your big business, and those that allowed it - us. The point is that we're taking out our anger on the illegals when in fact, its our own doing.
As for the grunt work - You did it, I did it and so did those that preceeded us. It just pisses me off every time I get in line behind some perfectly healthy white trash asshat in a grcoery store with a cart full of fancy vittles and a stack of food stamps. We tolerate that crap and to get the stuff done they could and should be willing to do done, we hire a Mexican. It just ain't Jose's fault.
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when the governemnt allows these people to beocme citizens, unions will step in and farmers and whatnot will get screwed and the same thing that happened to the auto companys will happen to farmers and contractors and everything else
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That's one of the problems Frank - There ain't no farmers anymore - They're all corporations.
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I find it interesting that they picked the date of the big USSR holiday instead of the big Mexican holiday on Friday.A lot of people have been misled into believing that May 1st is a holiday associated with the USSR! Actually, May 1st is " Interntional Workers Day", which originated in the US in the 1880's and is the precursor to what we now call Labor Day. A Google Search will provide a lot of info on it's US origins and background. Cheers, Brad
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I can't exonerate Jose completely. Illegal is still illegal. The legal immigrants who became citizens and pay taxes are probably spitting nails over this. I know I would be....
And the able-bodied welfare types??? Don't get me started.....
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OOOOOh Boy!!!! They need to come here legal!!! I don't care how bad we need them or they need us. My son talked with a Mexican who has his green card. My son ask him just how hard is it to get the green card. The guy said not hard at all. It takes 60 days or less. The paperwork is in Spanish. How much easier can it be? This Mexican is mad about the protests and will not participate. He says it makes the people here leagally look bad.
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However it came to be...... May 1st is now associated with the USSR. (Kind of like how the Confederate Flag got hijacked by the KKK types?)
A classic definition of insanity, "do the same thing over and over and expect different results". We are still dealing with the amnesty of '86 and we think something will be different this time? That is why citizens who believe in the rule of law must insist the borders close to all but legal traffic. I would then (and only then) tolerate my elected represenatives considering a "guest worker" program. I would then hope they mandate the initial paperwork start in the workers country of origin.
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I've got no trouble with immigrants, whether they be Mexican or otherwise. I just don't like the fact so many come here illegally. If it is done right, they're welcome here. I understand that most are trying to make their lives better, but the first thing an illegal does in the US is break the law. That doesn't show much respect in my book.
Another perspective is to ask why Mexican citizens don't address their own problem. Instead of running away from a lousy, corrupt government, maybe they need to face their problem and do something about improving Mexico. We stood up for ourselves 230 years ago. Maybe it's about time they did the same thing.
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I think they are trying to show us how great life would be if they weren't around. Today I drove into work and there was no traffic. My friend is a teacher at a high school, instead of having 25 students, today she has 17!!!
The good part is the kids can actually learn today, maybe even be taught in English for a change.
I think this will bite them all in the butt.
I don't see how staying home from work is going to prove anything except that you really aren't needed. As far as I know California has not slid into the sea and Texas is still standing tall.
Yea, I'm a redneck.
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Well, folks, although it's typically stereotyped as the jobs no one else will do like veggie picking, it's spreading to "skilled" jobs too. There is a new high dollar house going up down the street from me in a subdivision, and when I went by, the bricklayers were putting up the brick facade. Guess the nationality of these bricklayers. If you guessed their last name is Smith or Johnson, you go to the back of the line. Now when I was working construction, bricklaying and tile laying were considered skilled labor. This is the second house in 1 month I have seen go up near me like this. One behind me sounded like a Mariachi band had taken up residence for about 3 weeks, then vanished. Seems the local contractors are now hiring this out to Mexican contractors instead of local bricklayers. I won't venture to guess if any were legal or illegal, but....
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I'm in the quick service restaurant business. We hire a lot of Hispanic employees/managers, but require them to be legal. I have three stores around DC in a heavy Hispanic populated area. With three locations, we had two associate request offs (honored) and all the managers worked. I saw plenty of Hispanic customers at two locations and sales were up vs. last Monday. So I have to say there was no effect whatsoever in my spots in the DC market.
I guess the folks here illegally, working under the table have a different experience.
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With three locations, we had two associate request offs (honored) and all the managers worked. I saw plenty of Hispanic customers at two locations and sales were up vs. last Monday. So I have to say there was no effect whatsoever in my spots in the DC market.
I guess the folks here illegally, working under the table have a different experience.
It'll be interesting to see how the national news outlets portray/report today's happenings when I get home tonight, versus what people like yourself saw on the ground?
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I've never seen any studies done about what the impact of illegal immigrant labor is on wages across the board, but I can tell you that it just isn't the menial tasks that they are doing that drives down wages. Even my wife who's an RN sees the effects of their cheap labor. It took her about 6 years to start making the same wage she made in Deleware, and she does the same job out here.
The biggest impact on illegal immigration I hear about in Tucson is the burden it puts on the only trauma care hospital in the city(used to be 2 or 3, but they shut down because they were losing so much money). After a recent particularly bad accident involving illegals, when a truck overturned carrying 24 of them and 4 were killed with others seriously injured, the hospital made it a point at the news conference to mention how much money it was going to cost the taxpayers to treat the patients. Just this one incident alone was said to cost $500,000.
As far as how easy it is to get across the border, I don't think it's a walk in the park. They die by the hundreds out in the desert as they try to walk from the border to places like Phoenix. Not an easy trek by itself, and made more dangerous by the heat and lack of water.
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I live in San Antonio Texas. I think I wrote about a 1000 word rant on this subject. The condensed version is:
EXPLOITED! Go to any Mexican border town and watch how they treat their children and how the Mexican government cares for its citizens. You will come back with a new definition of exploited. Suffice it to say, its uglier than many here could dream on your worst nightmare. Try just a little bit to imagine you are ten years old and locked in a room where the old smelly men paid $20.00 U.S. to use you for a few hours any way they like. If you cry you are beaten and sent home to your family in shame.
Free breakfast and lunch at school is not exploited
Free after school care is not exploited
Free healthcare is not exploited
Not paying taxes is not exploited
Not paying into once single service they utilize is not exploited.
I could type forever.
We went to Iraq when the best candidate for Regime change is just a tad south of us. Beast, thugs and thieves run that craphole of a country. They need to die. Every single one of the members of the Mexican government needs to lined up and shot for crimes against humanity.
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I have to agree about the high cost of healthcare and illegals. I have read about accidents where illegals were treated to the tune of 1000's of $ and then deported, never to pay there bills. If I tried to get away without paying med bills I would be harassed, then sued by a collection agency, then have my wages garnished, I've seen it happen to people with no insurance. As far as americans not wanting to do menial tasks. take away public assistance to able bodied people that are to lazy to work and change the welfare mentality of the people who know the 'system', and know our taxes will pay their bills.
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``We are the backbone of what America is, legal or illegal, it doesn't matter,'' said Melanie Lugo, who with her husband and their third-grade daughter joined a rally of some 75,000 in Denver.
Well, now I know... And to think I always thought hard-working, blue collar guys working in steel mills, factories, coal mines, or truck drivers were the "backbone" of America. How foolish of me. All along its been the border jumping, law-breakers lumbering through broken English that have been holding it all together.
I think this will end up blowing up in their face.
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As Thomas Sowell says; there is an "Elephant in the Room"
Many think, (maybe correctly), that "big business" hires illegals to have an unfair advantage over their competition. My observation: shouldn't an employer hiring in this country have the assumption that anyone presenting himself for work has a legal right to do so? If not why not?
Why should employers shoulder the burden that our federal government has the responsibility to uphold? Do the citizens of this country want to carry "papers" at all times declaring their right to be here? If not we need to insist our border is closed to all but legal traffic, NOW.
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shouldn't an employer hiring in this country have the assumption that anyone presenting himself for work has a legal right to do so?
Sure.. unfortunately, under the Immigration Control and Reform Act, all employers are required to fill out an I-9 (Employment Eligibility Verification) form. If they don't, then they are breaking the law as well. On top of that, they generally will be paying those who do not fill out the form under the table, and all that implies.
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As Thomas Sowell says; there is an "Elephant in the Room"
Many think, (maybe correctly), that "big business" hires illegals to have an unfair advantage over their competition. My observation: shouldn't an employer hiring in this country have the assumption that anyone presenting himself for work has a legal right to do so? If not why not?
Why should employers shoulder the burden that our federal government has the responsibility to uphold? Do the citizens of this country want to carry "papers" at all times declaring their right to be here? If not we need to insist our border is closed to all but legal traffic, NOW.
Um, right now, big business IS the federal government.
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As Thomas Sowell says; there is an "Elephant in the Room"
Many think, (maybe correctly), that "big business" hires illegals to have an unfair advantage over their competition. My observation: shouldn't an employer hiring in this country have the assumption that anyone presenting himself for work has a legal right to do so? If not why not?
Why should employers shoulder the burden that our federal government has the responsibility to uphold? Do the citizens of this country want to carry "papers" at all times declaring their right to be here? If not we need to insist our border is closed to all but legal traffic, NOW.
Um, right now, big business IS the federal government.
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shouldn't an employer hiring in this country have the assumption that anyone presenting himself for work has a legal right to do so?
Sure.. unfortunately, under the Immigration Control and Reform Act, all employers are required to fill out an I-9 (Employment Eligibility Verification) form. If they don't, then they are breaking the law as well. On top of that, they generally will be paying those who do not fill out the form under the table, and all that implies.
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Thanks for making my pointWell, I think the point is that we have been unable to close our borders.. otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion would we?  Cheers, Brad
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Funny here in LA they scheduled a second protest at 6 p.m. for the people who couldnt take off work. I have a very diverse group of friends Mexican, Chinese, and Phillipino They all think this is lame.
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