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Watching on the TV, I noticed - and heard - that the crowd in the background seemed to be waving Mexican flags, and the guy doing the speeches was speaking in Spanish. For folks trying to prove how American they are, they were doing a pretty bad job.

But here's the deal: the US does NOT have a problem with immigrants, and the entire country is founded on immigration. If today was truly a protest to show how important immigrants are, we could ALL have taken a day off. However, this was a smokescreen for the supporters of making illegals legal.

And as folks always say to we immigrants; if being English/Irish/French/Mexican is so important to you, why not go there?

Siggy

Any time I ever got a job I had to give a social security # so they would know who to tax, so yes it is an employers obligation to know who works for them and if they're legal or not. I have to carry my "papers" all the time, in the form of a licence or other ID and have to show on request to many different people, including employers and i was born and raised in the good ol USA.

Its so simple its laughable. You have a lot more illegals than buisnesses employing them. The business is easy to find and easy to raid its books. How bout a simple law a few paragraphs long. If you have illegals and have not done an I-9 you get a 100,000 buck fine per illegal. Your business is padlocked til you pay the fine. 2nd offense your business license goes away forever. Part 2 is if the illegal gave you bad documents that you have copies of then the illegal gets to go to jail for fraud and you are off the hook.

It would be too costly and too risky to employ illegals if the penalty was severe and the law was enforced.

We will never do that though, this is all election based show business. No matter what law they pass they won't enforce it anyway. Its a feel good law because 70% of the nation is yelling about it. This years election and the one in 08, once done, it all goes back to business as usual.

(why is a Mexican who swims 50 yards illegal and a Cuban that rows 90 miles a refugee?) We need to change that too.

Well Illegal day came and went. Guess what the nation didn't come to a halt, actually it was a nice change. Traffic was light, fast food stayed open, I don't see what they feel they accomplished. Would have been nice to use this to round the illegals up and send them back.
I don't mind immigrants, I mind illegal immigrants. Just my 2 cents.

Yesterday on the radio I heard that there are a lot of legal residents planning rallys for this Friday, May 5th (yes, I know what that is in spanish) and calling them "we don't need you", "we won't miss you" or "we don't want you here" rallys. I doubt very much that they will get much (if any) press at all.

Soren

It is 10K Al, I think it should be 100K. Wishfull thinking on my part.

I remember growing up in a construction family. My brother would bid a job. Naturally he paid workers comp, had liability insurance, all his guys were legal and well trained etc. He would not get the bid. A few months later the lower bidder would start the job. Nobody on the job site spoke english! The building inspectors would be pulling their hair out trying to communicate with them about what was wrong.

Not once did we ever see INS involved and yes we did report it all the time.

The bottom line is we have immigration laws that work. Its all about enforcement of those laws. Kinda like never running radar or stopping speeders on certain streets. Studies show that the absence of enforement will eventually lead to commonplace violations. We all have towns wherever we live where you just know not to speed and other places where we crank it up cause we never see a cop.

Hiring illegals is cranked up like never before because, as you said, nobody checks and if they do they don't enforce the law.

We don't need a new law or new bill. We need to enforce the laws we have.

In the area of these folks flying Mexican flags, that just pisses me off. Fly the stars and stripes and show folks how much you love this country nitwits!

every one of us are immigrants. if not us ,it was our grand parents. the illegals are forced to work longer hours and do jobs we refuse. the corporations don't have to follow the wage and hour laws because the employee doesn't exist. it lowes the standard of living for the middle class, destroys the social security system destroys the medical system,they have no car insurance. this allows the large companies to use them as they please and avoid unions and paying them a living wage. they are held prisoner by their language and status. if they joined the rest of the americans and spoke the common language and demanded rights by law. the politicians would not ignor borders people.

I'll try to make this my last word on this subject.
INS needs to actually enforce the laws that we have (checking I-9's and such). We need the national guard patrol the borders. We need state and local goverments to stop handing out welfare (and any other) benefits to ilegals. In order to solve imaginary "Americans won't do those jobs" and imaginary "if we hire Americans, prices will go up" problems (and several non-related economic problems) we need to eliminate (or at least lower) minimum wage, and lower the age of allowing teenagers to work (I have a 15 year old that is just dying to get a job). And finally outlaw labor unions (if you feel like you need a union in order to be treated fairly where you work, go work somewhere else, eventually that business will get the picture or go out of business).

Soren

I agree that INS needs to certainly enforce existing laws and the government does not need to hand out welfare to those who are here illegally or here legally and capable of working. I do not agree with lowering or eliminating the minimum wage in a society where there is a major shrinkage in the true middle class, allowing the banishment of labor unions or allowing those under the age of 16 to get a job. Taking advantage of young labor got this country into a mess with its young people and families as it was becoming industrialized and way too many kids already bail out of education for every excuse in the book including "why should I go to school if I am working". If a kid cannot be responsible enough to go to school and earn decent grades to better themselves in the long run and stay out of trouble then a job should be out of the question. I have teenagers and I will have to say maybe one percent of their friends that I know are 16 years old are responsible enough to follow through with their education and have a job at the same time the other's are a whole other story. Taking advantage of those who are struggling financially because minimum wage cannot begin to provide support families in the only jobs they can find/do and getting rid of unions will send the legal work force into a tailspin that will destroy families and earnings. Lower minimum wages would drag the wages of others to lower amounts as well. Unions are set up to protect what is fair for an employee. My experience with those against unions has been that they usually have not experienced working with the advantage of a union in place to assure the employees needs are met fairly instead of just their employer's needs/wants. I would much rather see someone working and receiving a fair wage than not working and receiving welfare. Where would we be if, nurses (like my wife) or teachers for example were not supported by unions. I, personally, would not be comfortable if those two professions became obsolete because their employers were crappy and couldn't do right by them. Where would we be without nurses in the ER or teachers in the classroom... and those are just two examples of union supported professions.

Just my 2 cents...

Well now I am not hearing any news of the collapse of capitalism in America due to the one day walk out.

It might have been a stretch to find some fresh tortillas or refried beans yesterday in the Hispanic neighborhoods but otherwise no biggee.

OK...here's my take on the whole situation. I'm from central PA, where I never knew a black person or Latino person till I went to Penn State. Now I live in Brooklyn, NY where there is a LARGE population of Mexican, Dominican, Jamaican, Puerto Rican, Irish, Russian, Polish, etc...depending on the neighborhood, and many of the Mexican, Dominican, Puerto Rican & Irish are illegal.

I have no problems with immirgration...legal or illegal. My great grandparents came from Italy (mom's side) and Germany (dad's side), and both stood in line and filled out their paperwork and chose their new "American Names" and were THRILLED to do so. They understood that to be an American is something to be proud of, just as they were proud to be Italian or German. But the important thing is that they RESPECTED their new country and home.

And that stems my anger in this situation. First of all, my girlfriend is Dominican. She isn't a citizen yet, but she has her green card (she can leave the country and get back in), pays taxes (more than me), and her mother and brother are both citizens. So as you can see, I have absolutely no problem with immigrants. But I walked past my favorite Mexican restaurant (Los Pollitos II) in Park Slope Brooklyn, and it was closed. I guess they don't want my American money. To which, I don't want their food anymore then. I didn't see a single dry cleaner closed, nor did I see a single Chinese restaurant closed. So I picked up my clothes and gave the Asian lady my money. I met my girlfriend at a pub and gave the Irish bartender my money. I then picked up Chinese food and gave my money to the Chinese people there. Now, from what I know, the people in my dry cleaner are legal. I know that a vast majority of the Irish bartenders in NYC are illegal. And the chance that all of the Chinese cooks in the restaurant there are legal is very slim. So when the people at the Mexican restaurant don't want or think they don't need our patronage, I won't give it to them.

I don't think I'm being too unreasonable, but THEY NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM. And if they don't respect me and my tolerance, and even acceptance or the fact that I actually welcome them here, I WILL NEVER SHOW THEM MY RESPECT OR BUSINESS. So from here on out, I'm not giving my hard earned money (which it actually is) to any of the businesses who I noticed were closed yesterday because they just showed me yesterday that they don't want our business. I urge the rest of you to consider the same.

I hereby refuse to purchase any more "Refried Beans"

Well said! I'm sure my Great Grandparents who(learned to speak english,a few years later became US citizens, atteneded college and had incredible jobs until they retired and not once complained about the prcess or immagrating to America)came from Hungary and Germany during the onset of WWII would be sickened by what has been going on in the last few weeks or any complaints, actually... as am I.

Why didn't the INS use these rallies to round up the illegals? How much easier could it be?

Lets round 'em all up and move them to Texas and Southern California, build a big fence around those areas-then abrogate the 1846 treaty and that area back to Mexico. I see no net loss to the US that way.

this was in my inbox thought it might fit in this thread...




A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the Richter scale hit
Mexico.
Two million Mexicans have died and over a million are injured.

The country is totally ruined and the government doesn't know where
to start
with asking for help to rebuild.

The rest of the world is in shock.

Canada is sending troopers to help the Mexican army control the riots.

Saudi Arabia is sending oil.

Other Latin American countries ar e sending supplies.

The European community (except France) is sending food and money.

The United States, not to be outdone, is sending five million
replacement
Mexicans.

No thanks Whitzoo, we already have enough and more swimmers every day, you can keep em no charge.

I guess you didn't hear the organizer of the one of the major rallies saying that the United States economy would COLLAPSE if all the illegals got up and left. This is one experiment I'd like to try and see what happens. Let them all go back across the border, maybe take up protesting Vicente Fox the way they have here (until beaten to a bloody pulp by the Federales and the Mexican Army), and go back to letting their kids panhandle the Gringo tourists in the Plazas of their cities... I have always been a moderate, neither too far right, nor left, but all this BS lately has pushed me right into the Zenophobe category!!

my wife is an immagrant and is here 100% leagally. she had a full time, legit job the 2'nd week she was here. regauding the illegal invaders, we are both outraged. she went through due process and to see these invaders walking over the border and making demands makes her sick. know what? don't send them back to mexico, or southern california or new mexico, let's send them to martha's vinyard where that clown ted kennedy can take care of them, he wants them here, he can have them!! oh and just a note reguarding his stance on gun control, his oldsmobile submarine has killed more people than my firearms. way to go ted!

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we need to eliminate (or at least lower) minimum wage, and lower the age of allowing teenagers to work (I have a 15 year old that is just dying to get a job). And finally outlaw labor unions (if you feel like you need a union in order to be treated fairly where you work, go work somewhere else, eventually that business will get the picture or go out of business).

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Yeah, and pay workers in company script that can only be used in company stores at vastly inflated prices, and require children to do the most dangerous jobs at a fraction of the pay, and require every one to live in company housing at fees that keep them forever in debt so they can't leave. Ooo-ooo lets get rid of the eight hour work day too, make 'em work twelve or fourteen and NO overtime pay! And seven days a week, no wait we're GOOD Christians, Sunday mornings off. And if they get hurt on the job we'll fire 'em, yeah that'll be a lesson to the others.
And If you think that the wonderful, benevolent American corporations wouldn't do that, just step over the border to Nuevo Laredo and see what they're trying to escape. Go see what a Maqueladora is.
Matthew 6:24

Does anyone know why Mexico never wins any gold medals in the olympics...???...because anyone who can run, jump or swim has already left the country

Ya know guys....America, and Madison Avenue in particular, has mastered the art of the deal, and can sell to a gullible public everything from cigarettes to Twinkies to HUMMERS(and I'm almost sure many of my Triumph riding friends here would include a certain "Motor Company"'s products on this short list)

BUT, for some reason, we sometimes can't seem to sell our ideals to a large number of people in certain parts of this wide world.(at least that's what Allah told me)

So I figured all we needed was a good slogan. An easy to remember advertizement that we can show around the world in order to have those who may harbor some ill feelings toward us here see that we REALLY ARE a shining beacon of hope.

And so, how's about THIS sure-fire one........

"AMERICA....20 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN'T BE WRONG!"

Cheers,
Dwight
(with apologies to comedian Richard Jeni)

"AMERICA....20 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN'T BE WRONG!"


A sign of the upcomming Apocalypse, I agree with Dwight!

FYI

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005114.htm