Webb Cams internet site is upside down, darndist thing I ever saw, but thanks Fred, I hung inverted and gleaned the phone number. I bought a set of 790 cams from a member here and he didn't disclose his engine failed due to excessive desert sand in his oil. No big deal, just a hundy gone to waste. So I'll see what Webb can do for for me. Just maybe those bumpsticks can be rehabbed to spin again.