well thanks folks.... we have over 800 hits and about 100 likes...will keep the Divco prominant and do a fun one Saturday with a Bonnie shot.. that girl is pretty nice, ran into her (didn't know who I was) but she evidently loves Triumphs or at least that is what she told me...killed a bunch of ticks yesterday....and it is nice having Kiwi appeal...On nutgrass.... a product called Image and sedge-hammer which you can get at the local farmers co-op or lawn and garden store and on Violets , clover and nutgrass mix the Image and a product called Trimec (according to label directions) and that should work..... and thanks for the info$bill..........