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Triumph Bonneville gets radiator
Worldwide pollution emissions control regulations are spelling the end of the traditional air-cooled motorcycle with the Triumph Bonneville the next in line.
BMW has liquid cooled its boxer engine, the Indian Scout has a radiator and Harley has moved toward water cooling with the new Street and one of its Touring models.
So what’s next victim for the tough new European (Euro 5) and American emissions controls? Moto Guzzi, Ducati, Victory and Indian?
Meanwhile, spy photos have emerged of the next-generation Triumph Bonneville being tested, showing a small radiator between the slightly modified front frame supports.
While it doesn’t make too much of an impact on the design, it still is a major change for such a traditional looking bike which hasn’t been changed since 2001. In fact, when EFI was introduced in 2008, they put the injectors inside the old carburettor bodies so it didn’t alter the looks too dramatically and upset traditionalists.
It is believed Triumph will offset the traditionalists’ anger by increasing the capacity of the parallel twin above 856cc and increasing power and torque.
Triumph Bonneville T100 with Gazi black shocks
MBW’s 2010 Triumph Bonneville now with Gazi rear shocks
It should also improved fuel economy from the 16-litre tank.
Let’s hope they also do something about the very basic suspension, too. I’ve updated mine with Gazi shocks in the rear which are fantastic, but they only show up the lack of ability in the forks!
From the spy photo it looks like they have retained the same narrow telescopic forks, so let’s hope the internals are improved.
The new Triumph Bonneville is expected to debut at the 2016 EICMA motorcycle show in Milan in October.
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Where are these spy photos?
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It's a nondescript photo anyway not showing any new detail. I thought the important bit was that they expect it to be released at the Milan show in October. http://motorbikewriter.com/wp-content/up...420-395x263.jpg
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I feel our air cooled bikes may just go up in value, over this, at least to old fogeys happily married to the past. Give me fins or I quit.
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I wouldn't buy a water cooled bike so looks like it's used from here on.
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I am a air cooled guy myself as well. Looking at that spy pic, the "radiator" on that Bonnie looks a lot smaller than the one on the Street Tracker.
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I also just found this.
http://therideadvice.com/brand-new-2016-triumph-bonneville-on-the-way/
Sounds great all the way around
Yep!Sounds good so far! 
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If the water cooling is just for emissions I wonder if it could be deleted. I would want to delete the ABS too. Aside from those points sounds good to me.
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Water cooling makes more/easier power
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Once the 1100cc Bonny arrives, it shouldn't be long before the Speedy and America show up with the updated engine. 91 hp sure would be nice. That's more than the stock Thunderbird.
I wonder if the old 865 mill will remain to fill that smaller displacement gap similar to the 883 Harley?
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I wouldn't buy a water cooled bike so looks like it's used from here on.
So when was the last time YOU walked into a dealership and bought a brand new motorcycle?
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If the water cooling is just for emissions I wonder if it could be deleted. I would want to delete the ABS too. Aside from those points sounds good to me.
Sure, just like you can delete the cooling system on your car or truck. It's easy and makes total sense. Just like removing an expensive safety system like ABS.
The Bonneville will just have a radiator instead of an oil cooler. Let's see the final production bike before passing judgement.
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If the water cooling is just for emissions I wonder if it could be deleted. I would want to delete the ABS too. Aside from those points sounds good to me.
Sure, just like you can delete the cooling system on your car or truck. It's easy and makes total sense. Just like removing an expensive safety system like ABS.
The Bonneville will just have a radiator instead of an oil cooler. Let's see the final production bike before passing judgement.
Comparing apples to oranges, the water cooling on a car is the primary and only cooling for the engine and NOT just for emissions. The Bonnie, it states, has fins and is primarily air cooled. It states the water cooling is just for emissions. I would choose to not have a failure due to a water leak, thus I would never own a water cooled bike as I have stated before. If I were to buy one I would NOT want water cooling so does make perfect sense to me. You have done this before, just because it doesn't make sense to you does not mean it wouldn't to someone else. I have had anti-lock brake problems in the past and it is not uncommon on cars in general, I worn on them all the time at work. When they malfunction they tend to fight against you when you try to apply the brakes, I would not want that when trying to apply the brakes on my bike. Simple is more reliable in most cases, the more complicated something is the more prone to failure in most cases. So you do what you want and I will do what I want but don't try and tell me what does or does not make sense to me.
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I don't think it will take long for the Bonneville to have a full water jacket. When you can control temperature you can build to tighter tolerances with higher RPMs.
I believe the America/Speedmaster may have a limited lifespan now. I don't think Triumph will make them at 1100 with a air cooled motor. 500cc is a small leap and you have the customer on a Thunderbird.
They will either be left alone or built with liquid and ABS. The general population wants ABS and they are moving to liquid cooling. I know on my bigger bike when I glance down at the thermometer in Texas heat 225 degrees vs. 180 if it was liquid is a lot of temp.
If I ever add another bike, unlikely, it will have a radiator and ABS.
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225 is a much better operating temp,that is around what the performance guys want. I agree, I think everything will be liquid cooled soon, shame. ABS is easy to delete at least.
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I'm in the "I'll probably will buy one more new bike" era of my life. An 1100 cc, 91 hp lighter weight Bonneville sounds pretty attractive to me.
I'm interested in seeing the final product.
Cost will be most likely in the $10999.00 USD range, I would guess. Bikes seem to be similarly priced to the cc, for the most part
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If the water cooling is just for emissions I wonder if it could be deleted. I would want to delete the ABS too. Aside from those points sounds good to me.
Sure, just like you can delete the cooling system on your car or truck. It's easy and makes total sense. Just like removing an expensive safety system like ABS.
The Bonneville will just have a radiator instead of an oil cooler. Let's see the final production bike before passing judgement.
Comparing apples to oranges, the water cooling on a car is the primary and only cooling for the engine and NOT just for emissions. The Bonnie, it states, has fins and is primarily air cooled. It states the water cooling is just for emissions. I would choose to not have a failure due to a water leak, thus I would never own a water cooled bike as I have stated before. If I were to buy one I would NOT want water cooling so does make perfect sense to me. You have done this before, just because it doesn't make sense to you does not mean it wouldn't to someone else. I have had anti-lock brake problems in the past and it is not uncommon on cars in general, I worn on them all the time at work. When they malfunction they tend to fight against you when you try to apply the brakes, I would not want that when trying to apply the brakes on my bike. Simple is more reliable in most cases, the more complicated something is the more prone to failure in most cases. So you do what you want and I will do what I want but don't try and tell me what does or does not make sense to me.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Buell used oil cooled heads to boost performance, among other mods, as well as maintain emissions standards on an XL engine. He topped out rather flat too because of heat. Water cooled engines are heavier and usually a bit larger because of the water passages, returns, pump, and sensors. My buddy has a 2000 Honda Shadow ACE. it's a 750 water cooled twin that looks as large as my 1200...until you unbolt the fake fins off the cylinder block.
When Max cycle was around when i was a kid, he had a stroked hot rod Norton that he made a 'water pack' for the heads. Copper tubing run around the heads and a transmission cooler for a radiator. Worked just good enough that he could make a set of heads last half of a race season. His motors ran like 15:1 compression and destroyed vales and/or the seats. Looked like a plumber's nightmare...Never even thought of using it on the street because he always said, he didn't need another headache...
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Well, I'm not getting "at" anyone here but just stating my personal experience's. I've had several water cooled bikes over the years and not one has let me down due to leaks or overheating. Would happily have a water cooled speedy if they were available and I was in the market for a new bike. As I saw stated above, Its just swapping an oil cooler for a radiator.Admitted they are bigger and more easily seen.
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I had a 600 honda watercooled that hd been abused before I got it and had to rebuilt the system water pump,new radiator core thermostat etc.It still never let me down even before I got it all fixed.Once it was done it ran very well.
I hope they can build the radiator into the Bonneville "look" somehow and not like it was thrown on afterwards.
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All this water cooled business is only gonna make our "old" Trumpets go up in value. Maybe I should invest in a couple more while I can. 
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If the water cooling is just for emissions I wonder if it could be deleted. I would want to delete the ABS too. Aside from those points sounds good to me.
Sure, just like you can delete the cooling system on your car or truck. It's easy and makes total sense. Just like removing an expensive safety system like ABS.
The Bonneville will just have a radiator instead of an oil cooler. Let's see the final production bike before passing judgement.
Comparing apples to oranges, the water cooling on a car is the primary and only cooling for the engine and NOT just for emissions. The Bonnie, it states, has fins and is primarily air cooled. It states the water cooling is just for emissions. I would choose to not have a failure due to a water leak, thus I would never own a water cooled bike as I have stated before. If I were to buy one I would NOT want water cooling so does make perfect sense to me. You have done this before, just because it doesn't make sense to you does not mean it wouldn't to someone else. I have had anti-lock brake problems in the past and it is not uncommon on cars in general, I worn on them all the time at work. When they malfunction they tend to fight against you when you try to apply the brakes, I would not want that when trying to apply the brakes on my bike. Simple is more reliable in most cases, the more complicated something is the more prone to failure in most cases. So you do what you want and I will do what I want but don't try and tell me what does or does not make sense to me.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Buell used oil cooled heads to boost performance, among other mods, as well as maintain emissions standards on an XL engine. He topped out rather flat too because of heat. Water cooled engines are heavier and usually a bit larger because of the water passages, returns, pump, and sensors. My buddy has a 2000 Honda Shadow ACE. it's a 750 water cooled twin that looks as large as my 1200...until you unbolt the fake fins off the cylinder block.
When Max cycle was around when i was a kid, he had a stroked hot rod Norton that he made a 'water pack' for the heads. Copper tubing run around the heads and a transmission cooler for a radiator. Worked just good enough that he could make a set of heads last half of a race season. His motors ran like 15:1 compression and destroyed vales and/or the seats. Looked like a plumber's nightmare...Never even thought of using it on the street because he always said, he didn't need another headache...
Glad you mentioned the Honda, I owned a 2001 750 ACE Deluxe the engine was water cooled with fake bolt on fins for looks alone. Engines of this design are engineered from the ground up to be liquid cooled like the one in your car or truck and you cannot simply delete or remove the radiator, water pump ect and run it dry. It just doesn't work that way. The bolt on fins that made it look like an air cooled engine served no mechanical purpose. Heat from the cylinders and combustion chambers could not transfer to the fins because of the empty chamber surrounding them that the coolant would normally be in, and since they were not cast as part of the block the fake fins would not transfer heat anyway.
Talking about certain rare specific "hybrid" systems like the liquid cooled heads on models like the Harley Rushmore Ultra Classic is not the same since only the combustion chamber and exhaust port (heads only) are liquid cooled while the cylinders remain air cooled. You wouldn't consider removing the liquid coolant from the Harley V-Rod or Street 750 engines would you? No. How about trying that with a Triumph Thunderbird or Speed Triple engine? No.
When it is stated they are going to liquid cooling for emission reasons they mean it is far easier to tune for cleaner emission (AND more power) when the engineer knows the engine temperature will remain stable regardless of conditions. Example: You get stuck in traffic, not enough air moving to cool your air cooled engine and the temp quickly increases. To compensate the ECU enriches the fuel ratio and adjusts the timing to keep the engine as cool as possible. This kills emission output. The bigger the engine's displacement and power output the worse the heat problem, that's why larger displacement engines have larger capacity radiators in your truck for example.
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All this water cooled business is only gonna make our "old" Trumpets go up in value. Maybe I should invest in a couple more while I can.
On the contrary if the new Bonneville is larger displacement and puts out 30 or so more HP I would imagine you could get quite a deal on the current models.
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All this water cooled business is only gonna make our "old" Trumpets go up in value. Maybe I should invest in a couple more while I can.
On the contrary if the new Bonneville is larger displacement and puts out 30 or so more HP I would imagine you could get quite a deal on the current models.
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All this water cooled business is only gonna make our "old" Trumpets go up in value. Maybe I should invest in a couple more while I can.
On the contrary if the new Bonneville is larger displacement and puts out 30 or so more HP I would imagine you could get quite a deal on the current models.
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I was in the dealership yesterday - first time in months.
The new T-Bird Commander in the two-tone red is some real eye candy, to be sure. It's a shame buyers aren't lining up for that bike.
I told the owner I'm juggling miles on two Speedmasters, both bought out of his shop new (one by me). Both run great, even with the one near 105K miles now. They suit me. I can look all I want, but I have no incentive to buy a new bike right now.
And if I were to, it would very likely be the new Tiger 800XRX!
I like my dealer, and do want him to stay in business, but damn. What a hard business to make a living at. Too many used bikes available, and these old bikes just don't die off unless run over on the road.
There was a gal in there taking delivery of a new Bonneville, though. Her old Bonnie was run over, and she survived unscathed while the bike was totaled. And she's loyal to the brand. She was pretty excited about getting it!
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If that is anywhere close to what it is going to look like it is not just water cooling it is losing the classic look too.
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If that is anywhere close to what it is going to look like it is not just water cooling it is losing the classic look too.
I suspect it'd be close to how it'll look which is sort of unfortunate but that's watercooling.
My 600 honda had a pretty neat fitting radiator.I'm hoping it'll be something like that.
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Judging by the forks and shocks, they are 2 different bikes with 2 different riders. In the right paint colors, they could look nice. Though to my untrained eye, neither screams Triumph. Maybe I just can't get past that tank that looks like Ducati.
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As a whole kinds looks like a Honda to me. I would not be a buyer at all. The direction Triumph is going makes HD look like a place I may be shopping for my next bike. Probably not, probably more likely back to old Triumphs.
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Where those shots taken at the Triumph factory?It could even be just a back yard operation by a couple of blokes.
I did talk to the dealer here and he said a new version is on the way but not sure when.
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Judging by the forks and shocks, they are 2 different bikes with 2 different riders. In the right paint colors, they could look nice. Though to my untrained eye, neither screams Triumph. Maybe I just can't get past that tank that looks like Ducati.
Clearly 2 different bikes since the title of the article is "Triumph Street Tracker AND Street Tracker R Spied." The shocks and forks are the obvious difference but nobody noticed even the standard model has big dual front brakes.
I still say wait until the final product hits the showroom before getting too worried.
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The radiator looks rather low profile to me in most of the pics, particularly the Bonneville one. I could almost learn to live with it if Triumph could get the styling right. In my humble opinion they ruined the Speedmaster when they "restyled" it in 2011 and I have not cared for the Americas since they got rid of the laced wheels. Triumph has done a terrible job styling wise with our models since they switched to fuel injection and ruined the look of our tanks. On the other hand, I do like what they have done with the Bonneville line, I even like the mag wheel Bonnie's that everyone wants to hate on.
2006 865 Neon Blue/Jet Black Speedmaster,790cams, TTP Stage 2 Firestarter, Epco Exhaust with 10.25" Samson Vrod baffles, UNI pods with 40 pilots, 150 mains,Thruxton needles, 3 turns out.
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Re: Update on the water cooled Bonneville
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Joined: Oct 2012
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I don't think it will take long for the Bonneville to have a full water jacket. When you can control temperature you can build to tighter tolerances with higher RPMs.
I believe the America/Speedmaster may have a limited lifespan now. I don't think Triumph will make them at 1100 with a air cooled motor. 500cc is a small leap and you have the customer on a Thunderbird.
They will either be left alone or built with liquid and ABS. The general population wants ABS and they are moving to liquid cooling. I know on my bigger bike when I glance down at the thermometer in Texas heat 225 degrees vs. 180 if it was liquid is a lot of temp.
If I ever add another bike, unlikely, it will have a radiator and ABS.
That is an interesting thought. For me it's not about the 500cc, it's the $5-$6k difference in price. And if they price the 2016 1100cc Bonnies, Speedmasters, Americas, whatever in the $10,000 to $11,000 range I will start looking at other brands. Heck with Harley at least I would be able to find a decent set of pipes and accessories.
2006 865 Neon Blue/Jet Black Speedmaster,790cams, TTP Stage 2 Firestarter, Epco Exhaust with 10.25" Samson Vrod baffles, UNI pods with 40 pilots, 150 mains,Thruxton needles, 3 turns out.
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Re: Update on the water cooled Bonneville
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The radiator looks rather low profile to me in most of the pics, particularly the Bonneville one. I could almost learn to live with it if Triumph could get the styling right. In my humble opinion they ruined the Speedmaster when they "restyled" it in 2011 and I have not cared for the Americas since they got rid of the laced wheels. Triumph has done a terrible job styling wise with our models since they switched to fuel injection and ruined the look of our tanks. On the other hand, I do like what they have done with the Bonneville line, I even like the mag wheel Bonnie's that everyone wants to hate on.
I agree with your comment about the re styled Speedy.The America looks like a Suzuki cruiser in many areas IMO Too many copied ideas such as the big front guard and wheel.Having said that I'd STILL buy Triumph before another brand.
The fuel capacity of the bigger tanks would be nice, as my 16litre seems to run out too fast if I hammer it.My tank looks better though.They made a mess of the T-birds pipes IMO.The designers at Triumph do some weird stuff.I agree about the bonnies too.
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Re: Update on the water cooled Bonneville
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If that is anywhere close to what it is going to look like it is not just water cooling it is losing the classic look too.
Ya know Ian, I don't think there's ever much that you and I ever agree on, is there?!
'cause I THINK from those spy photos this newer water-cooled Bonnie sure as HELL has retained its "classic retro look"!!!
(...nope, don't think you and I ever agree on much at all, do we!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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As a whole kinds looks like a Honda to me. I would not be a buyer at all. The direction Triumph is going makes HD look like a place I may be shopping for my next bike. Probably not, probably more likely back to old Triumphs.
Once again..."A HONDA"???!!!
Dude, if that triangulated cylinder head with the sprayed-out exhausts headers let ALONE the bottom-end castings on that bike doesn't SCREAM "Triumph", I sure as hell don't know what DOES!!!
(...man oh man..."Honda" he says...he's GOT to either be kiddin' here OR he's freakin' BLIND...OR just doin' what he usually does: an automatic reaction against anything new and updated...saaaay, now MAYBE if they'd put a freakin' Lucas points ignition on that sucker and maybe even a freakin' kickstarter if they could win his loyalty back here???...naaaaaw, STILL probably not!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Re: Update on the water cooled Bonneville
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If that is anywhere close to what it is going to look like it is not just water cooling it is losing the classic look too.
Ya know Ian, I don't think there's ever much that you and I ever agree on, is there?!
'cause I THINK from those spy photos this newer water-cooled Bonnie sure as HELL has retained its "classic retro look"!!!
(...nope, don't think you and I ever agree on much at all, do we!)
Looks like a freakin' Honda.
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