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Buying a used motorhome
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This is very clean, old guy 2nd owner, all systems work. I know not a thing about motorhomes but thought it would be fun with this being very affordable.

Have I lost my mind? I don't own a big truck to pull a camper so RV is out.

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As long as it has a trailer hitch so you can take your bikes.


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You'll lament you didn't get a diesel pusher, or you'll upgrade later.

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Nearly all the motorhomes of that era are based on a Chevy p30 chassis/454 big block motor and so mechanical parts are available. However the ancillary systems on MH of that age will be on their last legs or if you are lucky have already been replaced. I am having a 1975 Airstream MH re-built with all new/modern systems etc if you have to do that they are a money pit; like I had to buy another as a donor because the whole MH was cheaper than some of the parts. So be careful to make sure everything (especially the dash AC) works.

Also remember a 454 will be about 10mpg (9 if you are towing).


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Where will you primarily use it? I've got a 94 Winnebago. Second owner. Garage kept and all major systems replaced prior to my buying. I've still spent a couple thou (not including the 38' carport to keep it in. I'd drive it anywhere, but for trips of 3 days or less, it's still cheaper to stay in a hotel. Allegro has a good reputation as a solid RV. 28' is a great size for in town maneuverability. You'll be avoiding a lot of problems with no slides and the floorplan of this is comfortable (almost identical to mine ). Water intrusion ruins most of these things prematurely, so my advice would be to get up on the roof and look for potential leaks, then go inside to make sure there's no evidence, then check the sidewall panels outside for any signs of delamination. Spend some time surfing the RV websites. iRV2 is a good one.

BTW, I've been doing this since the 70's, following in the footsteps of my Tin Can Tourist parents (40s). They can be a whole lot of fun. Don't let a few minor repairs scare you off, repairs are needed in the newest RVs. I had some friends who spent 1.5 mil on theirs and it spent more time in the shop than mine ever did.

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Before I made a decision of that magnitude, I'd check with Oden.


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Meili is the Norse god of travel but does work for Odin. I don't think I can drive it to Asgard though. I would need a Winnebago for that.

Hermit, its gonna drive everywhere we would fly. Everywhere we would normally drive, it won't go we would do motel. That sounds weird lol. My wife is not a biker so maybe this will get her to some rallies. I am riding to Myrtle Beach this year, or maybe not if I buy this. It is definitely going from San Antonio to Destin Fl. this summer of we buy.

All the dash stuff works fine runs quiet and strong. AC runs fine, refrigerator does both modes, roof has been coated twice in the last 8 years. Tires 3 years old with like, no wear, stove works, hot water works. Can't test the water pumps in his driveway but figure they work. Onan Generator hard to start but turns. 14 years old 50 hours. Man has not used it for years as parks provide power. I think thats a carb job from sitting. If not that can be a few thousand I think. Two thermostat controlled roof vents spin ok. Huge receiver on the back. I figure I can load a few bikes easy on a trailer back there or tow a car if needed.

Air ride has been eliminated and stronger coils installed. I have no a clue if that is good or bad. No rust, no accidents, no ceiling stains from leaks.

What am I missing? I wish it had a diesel or a Ford V10 but they are lots of thousands more or longer than I want as a virgin RVer.

I am thinking if I budget a few thousand for Oh crap moments I may be ok. I hear good things about that 454 motor but everybody says it likes gas a lot.


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Well, everything I am worried over is a moot point now. I did the deal with the guy at 13.5 pay for it tomorrow.

Hermit, do I have to buy a little straw hat and Bermuda shorts with white shoes now?

Thank you all for your responses.


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Don't forgot the plastic flamingos....


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I don't wish to mess up somebody's wish list, but I feel compelled to comment on this, as I have some experience with motor homes. If it is older than five years old, be prepared for constant maintenance. And I mean, CONSTANT! By their very nature, everything is lightweight, which usually means cheaper quality. BUT, because it is a "recreational vehicle", the cost of parts are higher. For instance, a water heater is only about 10 gallons at most, but will cost you more than $500. The 454 chevy engine is a fine workhorse, but it will like it's gas, expect between 8 and ten mpg. I worked on motor homes for awhile, long enough to not have any respect for a used one. They are, generally speaking, money pits. Hate to be negative, but I want a friend to know what he is getting into. If the idea of sleeping in your own bed every night is what you want, OK. But seriously, there is no way you are going to save money over the cost of a hotel. ($30-$40 camping hookups will ensure that!) Good luck to ya.


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Yep, I think things will break with some frequency. We have two little dogs that she always hates to leave which will make this a plus. I don't think there will be any great savings but the getting there will be an adventure.

The two real big expensive things appear to be the refrigerator and the Onan generators. The reason I went old and cheaper is because at 70k for a new one you lose 15k the day you drive it away.

If we learn to hate it, we are not out that much with older. I do agree it will be a mini money pit.

I already need to spend on a string of Jalapeno lights for the awning and a LED palm tree.


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Congratulations!

As for the Onan, that may be your moneypit for a while. It's probably the carb. They like to be run every month (under load), moreso with ethanol. If you've got an Onan dealer nearby, they'll install a new carb for about $700. Nobody rebuilds things anymore. It's a simple job, but a PITA and one of those things I'd just rather pay to have done. Done once and done right! While they're in there, I'd have them replace the fuel pump (you might as well start fresh). Other than that, the only weak link to the GenSet that I've been warned about is the rubber line from the RV's fuel tank to the Genny. They usually run above the fuel tank, can crack with age and start sucking air. Unfortunately, dropping the tank is usually necessary. BTW, there's usually a shutoff that kills fuel to the Generator when your gas tank gets below 1/4 full. Keeps you from being stranded out in the boonies.

Getting one with newer tires is a bonus - Lucky you! But check to make sure they replaced them with the factory spec original size. A lot of folks are going with the newer metric sizes and if your specs call for a 8R19.5, newer metrics MIGHT be too close on your duals and rub under load. The shotgun blast you hear, could be the resulting blowout. Happened to me twice.

And finally, get a roadside assistance plan from either GoodSam or Coachnet. It's cheap insurance for peace-of-mind and could save you and the Mrs. a lot of heartache.

I hope you enjoy yours as much as we do ours!


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Almost 30 years ago I bought an old used pickup camper for $600 from a buddy who was getting a Class C RV. I discovered that it took a lot of work but wasn't that expensive if I did it myself. I parked next to a $200K Bluebird for a week and talked a lot with the owner and picked up some pointers. He said to make sure you have the service manuals for the RV and for everything aboard, a good set of tools and a credit card for when you can't do it yourself. The comment about getting a diesel pusher reflects what I've heard from a lot of people as well. A friend of mine carries a welder but he is a DIY fanatic. I have a few acquaintances who live in them several months each year, usually somewhere warm in the winter.


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Diesel is nice, no doubt. But unless you're running fast in the mountains, carrying a big load or putting 10K+ miles a year, it can be overkill. Most people don't need the the added expense. Now if money were no object, sure.

A 28' Class A is relatively light. I've pulled 2 bikes (or a small boat) through Western NC mountains without any problem (32' Winnie with 454 EFI). Slower than a car? Yes, but still way ahead of a loaded semi. Brakes are much more important than power.

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Hey Ron! That link said your new baby is a 28 footer, RIGHT?!

Well, I just measured by driveway and it appears there's plenty of room for that thing if say you'd like to head out this way to our humble abode here in picturesque Sedona Arizona for a few days!

(...yep, seems there's plenty of room for an old Hippie like you here, ol' buddy!)


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If the idea of sleeping in your own bed every night is what you want, OK. But seriously, there is no way you are going to save money over the cost of a hotel. ($30-$40 camping hookups will ensure that!) Good luck to ya.




I can tell you've never seen a WalMart parking lot after dusk.

That's our favorite over-the-road campground. They encourage it because they know you'll spend some money inside. Even if you hate shopping at WalMart (as I do), when you're out on the road, you'll be glad for the consistency - and the McDonalds coffee in the a.m. Interstate Rest Areas and Truck Stops are also regular sleep stops. No use spending big dollars on campgrounds when you're travelling - save campgrounds for when you reach your destination.

Yes, we're THOSE PEOPLE. And we regularly sleep next door to $500,000 rigs doing the same thing.

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Dwight, my wife loved Sedona last time she was there. Be careful what you wish for hippie you may find two seniors on your stoop.

I just read about Walmart. I thought they were squatting illegally now I understand they are allowed.


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If the idea of sleeping in your own bed every night is what you want, OK. But seriously, there is no way you are going to save money over the cost of a hotel. ($30-$40 camping hookups will ensure that!) Good luck to ya.




I can tell you've never seen a WalMart parking lot after dusk.

That's our favorite over-the-road campground. They encourage it because they know you'll spend some money inside. Even if you hate shopping at WalMart (as I do), when you're out on the road, you'll be glad for the consistency - and the McDonalds coffee in the a.m. Interstate Rest Areas and Truck Stops are also regular sleep stops. No use spending big dollars on campgrounds when you're travelling - save campgrounds for when you reach your destination.

Yes, we're THOSE PEOPLE. And we regularly sleep next door to $500,000 rigs doing the same thing.




Hermit, over night if hot or cold don't you burn a lot of fuel in the generator or LPG for heat at a Walmart? Probably not as much as a park fee I guess.


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Congrats Ron! The last time I traveled in a chieftain, I was underage and listing to Mac Davis on an eight track tape.

My brother's boss drives a motorhome locally so he won't get pulled for dui. Seems those rigs sway a lot while motoring along. Jeez.

Wally worlds in my county do not allow overnight campers.


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Could this be the makings of a new rally, for those inclined to take the easy route and haul their bikes to the middle of nowhere, so they can enjoy the rides when they are there?


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Hermit, over night if hot or cold don't you burn a lot of fuel in the generator or LPG for heat at a Walmart? Probably not as much as a park fee I guess.




Previous owner had one of these installed.

http://www.fantasticvent.com/fan-tastic-vent-s-retail-12-volt-fans.html#model7350

With 2 12v house batteries, this thing will run all night. The nice thing is; you select the temperature range you want and it will speed up or down to maintain it. If it rains, it closes automatically! We find a secluded spot, crack open the windows in the bedroom and it will draw a nice cool breeze through the coach (I like to hear what's going on outside and the sound of diesels idling nearby lulls us to sleep). Those same house batteries will simultaneously power the 12v TV for about 6 hours before it drops out. Drawing less power, the fan will continue to run. On a few occasions, I have started the Generator to run the A/C at night, but rarely is it necessary.

LP powers our water heater and furnace. We also use it to power the refrigerator while underway (or boondocking). The standard on-board tank will last for weeks.

If it gets uncomfortably hot (above 75 for the wife), we run the generator while underway and use one of the roof A/Cs to cool the entire coach. ...and keep the Keurig going.

When you know you're getting 8 mpg, you don't really worry too much about a little 4KW generator pulling a little extra fuel out of an 80 gallon tank.

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Hey Ron, by the time I got here the link info had been deleted. What did you end up with?


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Hermit, over night if hot or cold don't you burn a lot of fuel in the generator or LPG for heat at a Walmart? Probably not as much as a park fee I guess.




Previous owner had one of these installed.

http://www.fantasticvent.com/fan-tastic-vent-s-retail-12-volt-fans.html#model7350

With 2 12v house batteries, this thing will run all night. The nice thing is; you select the temperature range you want and it will speed up or down to maintain it. If it rains, it closes automatically! We find a secluded spot, crack open the windows in the bedroom and it will draw a nice cool breeze through the coach (I like to hear what's going on outside and the sound of diesels idling nearby lulls us to sleep). Those same house batteries will simultaneously power the 12v TV for about 6 hours before it drops out. Drawing less power, the fan will continue to run. On a few occasions, I have started the Generator to run the A/C at night, but rarely is it necessary.

LP powers our water heater and furnace. We also use it to power the refrigerator while underway (or boondocking). The standard on-board tank will last for weeks.

If it gets uncomfortably hot (above 75 for the wife), we run the generator while underway and use one of the roof A/Cs to cool the entire coach. ...and keep the Keurig going.

When you know you're getting 8 mpg, you don't really worry too much about a little 4KW generator pulling a little extra fuel out of an 80 gallon tank.




The one I bought has two of those vents I think with little temperature knob on it does exhaust or blows in. Not sure how they work but look really cool.

The guy says forced hot air heater uses gas but is not a heavy abuser where the generator takes .5 gal an hour to run AC/heatpump in the ceiling and all the other stuff. I will just have to play with it. Drove it home about 20 miles.

My god, I thought I was driving an ocean liner!

Ran really well though, stops good. I think it will be fun until it bankrupts me.

Link is gone now as the seller put it down.

Keith, I bought a 2000 Tiffen Allegro 28' wide body A Class motor home with a 454 Chevy motor in it. Its in really good condition for its age with 52k miles. When the wife saw it on the street she just stared with her mouth open. I said "what?" She said it looked a lot smaller in the guys back yard at his ranch. She is right, put close to a house for proportion its pretty darn big.

Looks like this


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That thing is beautiful! When you said "used" I thought it might be a similar vintage to the '73 Apollo I bought several months ago. NOT! but at the end of the day they all have motors, fridges, generators and so on, so the worries and concerns are about the same. Enjoy your rolling home away from home!!


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I am having two of those vents installed as my MH is being rebuilt; the idea being they have a setting where they can be synchronized (one in; one out) to create circulation. They are pretty neat.....


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nice find, heck get out and enjoy the low fuel prices right now while ya can! Road trip!!!


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nice find, heck get out and enjoy the low fuel prices right now while ya can! Road trip!!!




Yeah, fill up the tank, you never know how long this will last.


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Whats the beam on that road ship 28 ft in length but how wide? Looks bigger then my living room but more fun to drive.

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Its a M28 WB. 8.0 interior beam with 3" insulated walls its 8.5 exterior. A little over 224 feet inside. Bumper length makes is 29'7" long. They made sure to keep it under 30 for lot sizes for the class As.


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That thing is beautiful! When you said "used" I thought it might be a similar vintage to the '73 Apollo I bought several months ago. NOT! but at the end of the day they all have motors, fridges, generators and so on, so the worries and concerns are about the same. Enjoy your rolling home away from home!!




The FMC 29 Apollo? Wow! If its all fixed and looking good that is a work of art.

It was not part of my plan but: I am 63 and getting weaker. Have ridden most of the country, Americade, Sturgis, Biketoberfest, Daytona, Myrtle Beach, and my favorite two SWTF with Dwight as a perfect host. I think this thing will keep me on bikes longer. I think over a few hundred miles now I will haul a bike or two and sleep in the motorhome in comfort.


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I have a generator question. I think its loud like a lawnmower. Its an Onan 4000 Gen Set. I have it running pretty good. Provides good electrics and runs the AC without an issue. Should I assume they are loud? thinking about adding some tailpipe length to see if that will mellow it out a bit. But that would probably suffocate the motor trying to push the exhaust out.


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One of my friends put a small motorcycle muffler on his and that did the trick. The one he used came off of a 1966 Yamaha YL100 but that's just because that was what was laying around.


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That may be a good idea. Maybe 1-lunger Suzuki Savage muffler or a 125 scooter would quiet it down.

Good thinking.


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It should have a small muffler with a tailpipe extending down and out beyond the coach sidewall ending with a small downturn. But, there's also a product called a Gen Turi.

http://www.amazon.com/Camco-44461-Gen-Turi-Generator-Exhaust/dp/B000BUU5XG

Overkill in my opinion, but if you get in congested locations (tailgating, rallys, etc.) or if either of you are sensitive to exhaust fumes, this might be of value.

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Hermit #559966 01/23/2015 10:13 AM
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Oh yeah! I want that one, ordered now. It has a little muffler now but the raspy noise coming off of it is low and echos off the ground. I bet this device helps that a bit.

I don't see the generator being used a lot unless its in a rally situation. Parks generally have power to you. But I think it would be annoying to neighbors. Kinda like your neighbor cutting his grass for hours lol.

Thanks Hermit.


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satxron #559967 01/23/2015 10:15 AM
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On another note I thought I would change out the car type light bulbs for Led. Then I saw the prices and almost had a heart attack. That will be on a one at a time when they fail basis.


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satxron #559968 01/23/2015 6:17 PM
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Camping World has them on sale occasionally in the 10-pack. Some of the on-line LED retailers have them cheaper, but you have to gamble on the quality. Make sure you're happy with the light spectrum before you buy. I prefer Daylight for the brightness, but some prefer the Warm Whites. I've changed all my interior lights with the exception of the 3 on the bathroom vanity. Expensive? Yes, but put them on the credit card and by the time the statement comes, you'll have learned to like them.

I'm at 90% in the S&B already, but have yet to see the savings on my utility bill. But it sure helps my batteries last longer when boondocking in the RV.

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Hermit #559969 01/23/2015 6:52 PM
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I think I will replace the most common ones with LED like kitchen, dining area etc. I am sure it will save a ton on the batteries.


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satxron #559970 01/24/2015 12:26 AM
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I replaced a few bulbs with LED on my motorhome. Gives me peace of mind knowing they don't tax the batteries all that much.


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Keith #559971 01/24/2015 10:56 AM
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I changed some of my bulbs inside my motorhome. Normal bulb 1.2 amps led bulb .1 amp, not much draw at all. Different light takes some getting used to.

Jim

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