If not Goebbels, what about Goering?????

Ding, ding, ding.. we have a winner!

It was in fact Hermann Goering who said it while in inverviews with Gustave Gilbert during the Nuremberg trials, and documented in Gilberts book The Nuremberg Diary.

Mike, I owe you a virtual beverage of your choice for being the winner


Apart from some sort of massive retaliatory response, no one seems to have the slightest idea of how to resolve the problem nor do they seem to care about formulating one.

Hey Tad, I'd be more than happy to discuss possible resolutions! However, as you pointed out in your patient/doctor analogy, the root cause(s) should first be identified before any course of action is considered.. And as I'm sure you have noticed, there are some who have already determined causes, regardless of the obvious contradictions and falacies that suggest otherwise, and are either unable or unwilling to explore more plausible ones.

It is indeed difficult to rationally discuss solutions when you not only disagree on the cause(s), but are distracted further by constantly having to point out the errors, omissions and falacies in some that are proposed. If you are willing to filter out the 'noise' however, I'm sure that some of the more rational voices can in fact engage in a more productive discourse.

Along those lines, I'd like to suggest some other possible causes for the unrest, not just in the middle east, but elsewhere in the world. How about oppression (ie: lack of various freedoms and an associated fear for ones life and well being if those freedoms were excercised or even a desire for them voiced)? What about level and quality of education (ie: access to information without censorship for ones betterment)? How about social mobility (ie: the ability to move up or down within the social infrastructure, the ability to improve your social condition and standing)?

Those are just three areas that I see as needing to be examined (and have previously hinted at), and there are several more that I can think of. And if you accept that maybe, just maybe some of these could have some degree of causality, how do you address correcting them besides agressive use of force, which should always be considered the very last possible action, if at all.

Cheers,
Brad


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