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Harley Davison LiveWire
Harley's all electric motorcycle
0-60 in 4 ticks
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http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la...0619-story.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6F8O5A__Ds
I saw that yesterday. I'm trying to understand what demographic HD would be trying to market this to? I mean we like to poke fun at the Black and Orange, but an Electric HD?
I'm sorry but that seems like one bad concept to me 
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I for one want to take a ride on a electric bike. there are no Zero dealers by me so if the local HD guys get one I will be right there.
you got to figure the torque on an electric bike has got to be fun.
it does seem odd that HD is pushing it. Its like they smaller liquid cooled bikes they came out with last year. Probably concerned about their aging demographic. looking for new markets.
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Wonder if these newfnagled 'lectric hardleys come with canned smoke? 
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Harley Davison LiveWire
Harley's all electric motorcycle
0-60 in 4 ticks
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http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la...0619-story.html
video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6F8O5A__Ds
I saw that yesterday. I'm trying to understand what demographic HD would be trying to market this to? I mean we like to poke fun at the Black and Orange, but an Electric HD?
I'm sorry but that seems like one bad concept to me
If Triumph was introducing this bike everyone here would be hyping it as the wave of the future...but Harley gets snubbed.
Around here people hack on Harley for building big, expensive old school V-twin air cooled motorcycles, but Indian does the same and gets respect. The 122 Horsepower V-Rod doesn't get much discussion (what's the HP on a stock Triumph Storm?) So Harley introduces 2 new smaller very affordable liquid cooled bikes and then follows it up with this wild electric motorcycle and we still dismiss them. Beats the hell out of a 250cc peashooter to go after marginal 3rd world markets.
Harley owns 50% of the American motorcycle market and earns over 32% profit margins, that is strong. Their owner loyalty is second to none...like they say nobody gets a Honda tattoo on their arm.
Other motorcycle manufacturers better pay attention Harley until now has been satisfied with their success in a specific market but it appears they are ready to redirect their resources and expand.
What's next a sport touring bike with an upgraded V-Rod engine?
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ONLY if they're planning on using Lucas wiring looms on 'em, Jim!!! 
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While I think you made some valid points here OB, let us not forget that the point made most by the people here was that those "loyal H-D owners" with their little tattoos proudly proclaiming their love of their chosen brand, have for the MOST part found little to love in the V-Rod model, and with some of then even expressing the thought that it's not a "true Harley-Davidson".
And thus, if you have a sizable number of these "tattooed faithful" saying THAT about a water-cooled H-D model that can make a lot of NOISE while it's running('cause I hope you ALSO know that most H-D riders seem to think that THAT will "save their lives"), then can you just imagine how those SAME people will view a model which makes little noise at ALL???
(...and for the record, THIS "Triumph loyalist" HERE thinks H-D deserves a pat on the back for this forward thinking idea and that they had the guts to even go there, as they've had their "hand slapped" before by their "loyal following" whenever they "dare" to branch out from the cruiser marker and resulting in poor sales for their non-cruiser models)
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Harley Davison LiveWire
Harley's all electric motorcycle
0-60 in 4 ticks
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http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la...0619-story.html
video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6F8O5A__Ds
I saw that yesterday. I'm trying to understand what demographic HD would be trying to market this to? I mean we like to poke fun at the Black and Orange, but an Electric HD?
I'm sorry but that seems like one bad concept to me
If Triumph was introducing this bike everyone here would be hyping it as the wave of the future...but Harley gets snubbed.
I think not! I am not even happy we don't have a kickstarter. I wouldn't like an electric Triumph any more than I like the Tbird and it's water cooling.
Harley deserves to be ripped on for selling 1930s tech at 21st century prices.
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Dwight I see your point but think of this from Harley's position. They have just upgraded the touring line (Project Rushmore) and sales of their core models are strong so they are not neglecting their tattooed fans.
Why not expand in different directions, if the tattoo boys don't like the V-Rod, Street 750 or the electric bike then don't buy one that doesnt mean Harley cant develop a full line for other market segments.
In the end it may depend on their dealer network backing the new product.
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I think not! I am not even happy we don't have a kickstarter. I wouldn't like an electric Triumph any more than I like the Tbird and it's water cooling.
Harley deserves to be ripped on for selling 1930s tech at 21st century prices.
So...you want a kick starter on a brand new Triumph AND rip Harley for selling 1930's tech?!
Makes sense
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I think not! I am not even happy we don't have a kickstarter. I wouldn't like an electric Triumph any more than I like the Tbird and it's water cooling.
Harley deserves to be ripped on for selling 1930s tech at 21st century prices.
So...you want a kick starter on a brand new Triumph AND rip Harley for selling 1930's tech?!
Makes sense
Yeah, I was thinkin' the same thing here, OB.
(...but then again you've been around here long enough to know that Ian is not ONLY one of our resident "Old Schoolers", but ALSO occasionally states things which, to put it mildly, aren't exactly "congruous" in thought...no offense Ian, ol' boy!!!) 
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Dwight I see your point but think of this from Harley's position. They have just upgraded the touring line (Project Rushmore) and sales of their core models are strong so they are not neglecting their tattooed fans.
Why not expand in different directions, if the tattoo boys don't like the V-Rod, Street 750 or the electric bike then don't buy one that doesnt mean Harley cant develop a full line for other market segments.
In the end it may depend on their dealer network backing the new product.
Yep OB, the whole "dealer network" thing, which of course H-D can boast is second-to-none, is another very good point to bring up if they decide to go forward with this electric motorcycle concept and actually bring it to market.
But then of course, just as was the case when H-D dealerships were carrying Erik Buell's products and attempting to have those tattooed faithful rubbing elbows with the Sportbike crowd in said dealerships and which didn't exactly go "swimmingly" THEN, I must wonder if something like THIS would then be attempting to have those same tattooed faithful rubbing elbows with the "Techies" out there, and ultimately just become another case of (ill-fated) history repeating itself?
I mean by this that it seemed many H-D dealership treated Buell motorcycles as little more than the "redheaded stepchild" and/or a "curiosity" at best, and seemed to have given that product line short-shrift, and so I'm thinking it would most likely turn out the same with an even more "unusual" product most likely destined to be tucked away in some far corner of these dealerships.
(...I suppose we will see)
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Harley Davison LiveWire
Harley's all electric motorcycle
0-60 in 4 ticks
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http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la...0619-story.html
video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6F8O5A__Ds
I saw that yesterday. I'm trying to understand what demographic HD would be trying to market this to? I mean we like to poke fun at the Black and Orange, but an Electric HD?
I'm sorry but that seems like one bad concept to me
If Triumph was introducing this bike everyone here would be hyping it as the wave of the future...but Harley gets snubbed.
Around here people hack on Harley for building big, expensive old school V-twin air cooled motorcycles, but Indian does the same and gets respect. The 122 Horsepower V-Rod doesn't get much discussion (what's the HP on a stock Triumph Storm?) So Harley introduces 2 new smaller very affordable liquid cooled bikes and then follows it up with this wild electric motorcycle and we still dismiss them. Beats the hell out of a 250cc peashooter to go after marginal 3rd world markets.
Harley owns 50% of the American motorcycle market and earns over 32% profit margins, that is strong. Their owner loyalty is second to none...like they say nobody gets a Honda tattoo on their arm.
Other motorcycle manufacturers better pay attention Harley until now has been satisfied with their success in a specific market but it appears they are ready to redirect their resources and expand.
What's next a sport touring bike with an upgraded V-Rod engine?
Jeez, you need some cheese to go with that whine. 
GD no one can take a little good nature ribbing these days.
An electric motorcycle makes sense, An electric HD does not.
That's my opinion and I could care less what anyone thinks about that or anything else.
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I think it's great that another company is coming out with an all electric bike. Also, it makes perfect sense that Harley is doing it since the range will be from about 30 up to 50 miles, since that's about all the typical HD rider does anyway! 
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I think not! I am not even happy we don't have a kickstarter. I wouldn't like an electric Triumph any more than I like the Tbird and it's water cooling.
Harley deserves to be ripped on for selling 1930s tech at 21st century prices.
So...you want a kick starter on a brand new Triumph AND rip Harley for selling 1930's tech?!
Makes sense
Not ripping on anyone, they are still selling the same basic engine as always, fact not a rip. I rip on HD because it's fun among my friends since that's what most of them ride. I like the old tech as I have said a thousand times before so I would not like an electric bike no matter who made it, that was my point. You said we rip on the electric bike because it was made by HD and that has nothing to do with weather I like it or not. As for a kick start, it only makes sense, low battery? Kick it. Broken starter? Kick it. What is the failure rate on electric start? What is the failure rate on a kick start? I have kick start bikes from the 50s that the kickstart still works perfectly, how many electric starters last that long? I have rebuilt my 66 Triumph engine at least 5 times and the transmission once but that kickstart is still the same from the factory, if it had been electric it would have been replced multiple times now so yes I want a kick start on my bike in addition to the electric start.
When have I ever been incongruent? Told you before I was getting tired of your insults, you may have just made my ignore list, only one on it.
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Oh, LIGHTEN the f--k UP, Ian! 'Cause you're startin' to be JUST like you WERE back when you first appeared on this website years ago and when you COULDN'T take a f--king joke about yourself if your f--king LIFE depended upon it!!!
(...and I was REALLY startin' to LIKE the "New Ian"!!!)
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Why you have to derail thread after thread with MEMBER bashing, be it me, Larry, Ian or who know who else combined with all your "good-byes" I'll never know. You're the only one around here that does that. It is soooo boring. I'd much rather follow the continuity of a thread without negative crap. Be nice... Not too much to ask.
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OH, and screw you TOO, Keith!
All this so-called "negative stuff" and "bashing" you TOO have cried about, and JUST 'cause YOU couldn't take my little razzing about your freakin' smoking shows how truly f--king super-sensitive YOU are TOO!!!
ALL EITHER of you two EVER had to do was give me a funny and self-deprecating reply in return and maybe zap ME back in kind after these so-called little "negative derailments" of threads, and ya know WHAT? No harm, no FOUL, in the LONG run.
(...and so, you TOO can place ME on YOUR f--king "ignore function" TOO for all I CARE if I've been "boring" you!!!)
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And now, anybody around here wanna talk about ELECTRIC-POWERED MOTORCYCLES and like we WERE doing before a few guys got their f--king noses out of joint over a little offhanded remark MEANT in JEST!!!
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Harley Davison LiveWire
Harley's all electric motorcycle
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http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la...0619-story.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6F8O5A__Ds
I saw that yesterday. I'm trying to understand what demographic HD would be trying to market this to? I mean we like to poke fun at the Black and Orange, but an Electric HD?
I'm sorry but that seems like one bad concept to me
If Triumph was introducing this bike everyone here would be hyping it as the wave of the future...but Harley gets snubbed.
Around here people hack on Harley for building big, expensive old school V-twin air cooled motorcycles, but Indian does the same and gets respect. The 122 Horsepower V-Rod doesn't get much discussion (what's the HP on a stock Triumph Storm?) So Harley introduces 2 new smaller very affordable liquid cooled bikes and then follows it up with this wild electric motorcycle and we still dismiss them. Beats the hell out of a 250cc peashooter to go after marginal 3rd world markets.
Harley owns 50% of the American motorcycle market and earns over 32% profit margins, that is strong. Their owner loyalty is second to none...like they say nobody gets a Honda tattoo on their arm.
Other motorcycle manufacturers better pay attention Harley until now has been satisfied with their success in a specific market but it appears they are ready to redirect their resources and expand.
What's next a sport touring bike with an upgraded V-Rod engine?
Jeez, you need some cheese to go with that whine.
GD no one can take a little good nature ribbing these days.
An electric motorcycle makes sense, An electric HD does not.
That's my opinion and I could care less what anyone thinks about that or anything else.
Sounds like the facts I stated hurt your feelings.
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I think not! I am not even happy we don't have a kickstarter. I wouldn't like an electric Triumph any more than I like the Tbird and it's water cooling.
Harley deserves to be ripped on for selling 1930s tech at 21st century prices.
So...you want a kick starter on a brand new Triumph AND rip Harley for selling 1930's tech?!
Makes sense
Not ripping on anyone, they are still selling the same basic engine as always, fact not a rip. I rip on HD because it's fun among my friends since that's what most of them ride. I like the old tech as I have said a thousand times before so I would not like an electric bike no matter who made it, that was my point. You said we rip on the electric bike because it was made by HD and that has nothing to do with weather I like it or not. As for a kick start, it only makes sense, low battery? Kick it. Broken starter? Kick it. What is the failure rate on electric start? What is the failure rate on a kick start? I have kick start bikes from the 50s that the kickstart still works perfectly, how many electric starters last that long? I have rebuilt my 66 Triumph engine at least 5 times and the transmission once but that kickstart is still the same from the factory, if it had been electric it would have been replced multiple times now so yes I want a kick start on my bike in addition to the electric start.
When have I ever been incongruent? Told you before I was getting tired of your insults, you may have just made my ignore list, only one on it.
Dog there are no Triumphs or Harleys built today with carburetors they are all EFI for emission requirements. All EFI computers require stable voltage to power up so if the battery dies the ECU cannot function so even if the bike had a kick starter it wouldn't start.
By the way I intended no insult in my previous replies to you and others in on this topic. Just joking around a bit.
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Back to electric motorcycles...
This kind of reminds me of the beginning of Hybrid cars. When the Prius first hit the market Toyota had to get a lot of training to their dealership techs on the system. The first generation really wasnt that good it was small and so heavy it required special tires that had a higher load rating for their size. Bridgestone was contracted by Toyota to build these special little load rated tires and few in the field noticed until they accidentally replaced them with standard load tires creating a safety issue. Another safety issue that concerned EMTs was handling a heavily damaged hybrid after a crash that has lethal levels of voltage in some of the wiring. In the end all the issues were worked out and today many manufacturers offer advanced hybrid and now plug-in cars.
In reality hybrids are a very old idea...think world war 1 submarines. They ran on the surface on diesel power and recharged battery banks then shut down the engines and submerged to run on electric power stored in the batteries. By alternating back and forth these early subs could travel much greater distance with the limited fuel volume the small subs could carry.
I know this new Harley is not a hybrid but rather a straight plug-in electric but the potential is there to increase the range in future models.
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I didn't take what you said as any kind of insult, misconception only. I know I have push started CDI bikes that wouldn't crank so good chance a kickstart would work. As far as EFI goes, I don't know. No reason not to put one on my carbed 04 though and it isn't there. I am no fan of CDI or EFI as all around here know. Used to be able to replace my entire ignition system for a little over $100 if I needed to. In most cases my ignition would be fixed with an $8 set of points and I could get that home with a piece of sandpaper.
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I have never changed that I am aware of Dwight, I just get tired of your insults to me and anyone else who doesn't agree with you. Maybe you think it's funny but, as is evident here, many that it is directed at do not. You are the only one who does it and it is not funny. As for not being able to take a joke , I very much can when it is good natured and yours are not. I often poke fun at myself even. I chose not to ignore you yet but you really need to consider what you are saying and how you are saying it before you post it. Maybe had you put that differently I may have laughed at it it said something in return. We have had a laugh back and forth in the past when it was good natured and I am OK with that. When I first joined it was the good Friar and I going at it mostly with Moe jumping in here and there. I miss Friar John, I enjoyed talking to him once we got past the arguing.
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I have never changed that I am aware of Dwight, I just get tired of your insults to me and anyone else who doesn't agree with you. Maybe you think it's funny but, as is evident here, many that it is directed at do not. You are the only one who does it and it is not funny. As for not being able to take a joke , I very much can when it is good natured and yours are not. I often poke fun at myself even. I chose not to ignore you yet but you really need to consider what you are saying and how you are saying it before you post it. Maybe had you put that differently I may have laughed at it it said something in return. We have had a laugh back and forth in the past when it was good natured and I am OK with that. When I first joined it was the good Friar and I going at it mostly with Moe jumping in here and there. I miss Friar John, I enjoyed talking to him once we got past the arguing.
I understand all this Ian, and MAYBE I COULD have tweaked your nose in a "more gentle" manner.
But, what REALLY got MY ire up here was when Keith interjected his whole "Dwight is so negative all the time" CRAP!
LOOK dude, in THIS thread in particular, I was STRICTLY ON-TOPIC(except for my little "Lucas Electrics" joke reply to moe) and presenting MY opinions about this Harley ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE and until YOU felt the "need" to bash Harley-Davidson in it, and WHICH was not ONLY "negative" but OFF-TOPIC TOO!!!
And so YEAH, I made fun of you a little and JUST like I USED to do in ANOTHER "particular" forum around here whenever I read ALL THE FREAKIN' NEGATIVITY(and often times a LACK of a balanced viewpoint) that you and few others constantly post in the aforementioned forum.
BUT of course, all "Little Pollyana" KEITH ever sees is evidently MY so-called "negativity" when I laugh at some of the people around here who POST some...yes...INCONGRUOUS THOUGHTS!!!
And sooooo, I'm SORRY if YOU can't see how you OCCASIONALLY state those thoughts and then get pissed-off when it's called to your attention and INSTEAD of replying with maybe a knowing laugh and then possibly in a pointedly humorous reply in defense of your initial statement and maybe THEN in a more moderately stated tone that's NOT so freakin' DEFINITIVE as in only YOU know "The Truth" of any given situation or idea.
Ever notice that I seldom "laugh at" or "make fun of" people who state their opinions in a more moderate tone, and who are not so cocksure of themselves and their opinions???
(...and so in closing, if you and "Little Pollyanna" think that THAT'S being "negatively disrespectful", then sorry, but THAT'S just ME...and so MAYBE your AND his best move IS to place me on your freakin' ignore function!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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You don't seem to get that just because it is your point of view doesn't automaticly make it the right point of view just because it is yours and you bash people that disagree with you as though because you said it it must be gospel. I am not incongruent unless you mean things like my views on smoking laws, and there I am still not so as I prize my ethics above my pleasure.As far as bashing HD goes I suppose I should not bash them so badly since 99 out of 100 of them ever made are still on the road today. The other one made it home. Someone has to keep the trailer manufacturers in business.
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You don't seem to get that just because it is your point of view doesn't automaticly make it the right point of view just because it is yours and you bash people that disagree with you as though because you said it it must be gospel. I am not incongruent unless you mean things like my views on smoking laws, and there I am still not so as I prize my ethics above my pleasure.As far as bashing HD goes I suppose I should not bash them so badly since 99 out of 100 of them ever made are still on the road today. The other one made it home. Someone has to keep the trailer manufacturers in business.
Aaah! You see THIS is where you are assuming WAY too much and reading things not meant NOR implied in my texts, in regard to that whole "value your ethics over your pleasure" concept of yours.
NEVER have I meant on ANY fashion EVER in this forum that you were in any way "shifty" or not "a man of your word".
BUT, I feel you have mistaken the concept of being "Forthright" with the concept of "Unbending", and those concepts are NOT the same thing at all.
Once again Ian, it's NOT so much that I "think I'm right all the time", it's that I've always SCOFFED at the those who feel THEY are "right all the time".
And IF you noticed, not ONCE did I EVER start a freakin' thread in that "other" forum", MOST of which are nothing but rants espousing some "heartfelt truth" by its originator and MOST often, as I earlier stated, VERY negative in tone.
(...and thus the very reason I don't even bother going there anymore...it became a waste of my time AND I got extremely tired of all that negatively espoused there)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Back to electric motorcycles...
This kind of reminds me of the beginning of Hybrid cars. When the Prius first hit the market Toyota had to get a lot of training to their dealership techs on the system. The first generation really wasnt that good it was small and so heavy it required special tires that had a higher load rating for their size. Bridgestone was contracted by Toyota to build these special little load rated tires and few in the field noticed until they accidentally replaced them with standard load tires creating a safety issue. Another safety issue that concerned EMTs was handling a heavily damaged hybrid after a crash that has lethal levels of voltage in some of the wiring. In the end all the issues were worked out and today many manufacturers offer advanced hybrid and now plug-in cars.
In reality hybrids are a very old idea...think world war 1 submarines. They ran on the surface on diesel power and recharged battery banks then shut down the engines and submerged to run on electric power stored in the batteries. By alternating back and forth these early subs could travel much greater distance with the limited fuel volume the small subs could carry.
I know this new Harley is not a hybrid but rather a straight plug-in electric but the potential is there to increase the range in future models.
Food for thought indeed here OB, though considering that all present hybrids cars are a lot heavier than their gas-powered-only equivalents, and seeing as how weight is an even greater "enemy" to the handling characteristics of the single-plane geometry of motorcycles(meaning their ability to lean in either direction while in operation), I have to wonder if the added weight of both an electrical and a gas powered unit would ever be a feasible idea on a motorcycle?
Of course, batteries ARE getting smaller and lighter all the time and along any many other various components, but I still wonder if a "dual-powered" motorcycle could ever be light enough in order to handle reasonably well.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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(...and so in closing, if you and "Little Pollyanna" think that THAT'S being "negatively disrespectful", then sorry, but THAT'S just ME...and so MAYBE your AND his best move IS to place me on your freakin' ignore function!)
You stop bashing people, and I'll stop bringing it up. But I expect all I'll get from this little statement is more bashing and insults.
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Back to the discussion of the actual electric motorcycle.
As you could guess any news for/about HD makes the Milwaukee newspaper. This Sunday the electric bike story was the front page of the business section. Interesting story, it looks as though these are just demo bikes, none for sale. They are indeed looking at other than their traditional markets.
Also included were some sidebars from other electric bike makers and some dealers. Apparently a local HD dealer already sells Brammo electrics as a side line!
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With traditional motorcycles; combustion engines and a manual shift transmission, there is learning curve, and an art to operating the machine. These HDs are twist and go..
Let's for a moment consider that anyone who has ever been on a moped can now throw a leg over this bike and do 0-60 in four seconds.
I can forsee the unfamiliar, untrained individual getting themselves into a good deal of trouble.
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With traditional motorcycles; combustion engines and a manual shift transmission, there is learning curve, and an art to operating the machine. These HDs are twist and go..
Let's for a moment consider that anyone who has ever been on a moped can now throw a leg over this bike and do 0-60 in four seconds.
I can forsee the unfamiliar, untrained individual getting themselves into a good deal of trouble.
That was my first thought too.
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With traditional motorcycles; combustion engines and a manual shift transmission, there is learning curve, and an art to operating the machine. These HDs are twist and go..
Let's for a moment consider that anyone who has ever been on a moped can now throw a leg over this bike and do 0-60 in four seconds.
I can forsee the unfamiliar, untrained individual getting themselves into a good deal of trouble.
That's true.I hadn't thought of it before you brought it up.
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I think it's a good idea for Harley, I'm just not sure they should call them Harleys. Polaris has a great idea with Indian. Indian can be the "Traditional" brand going forward while Victory can start branching out to tourers or even sport bikes. Harley could name them something else and keep the Harley brand separate from the newer style bikes. While I'm not sure I'd buy one I'd like to see and ride one.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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With traditional motorcycles; combustion engines and a manual shift transmission, there is learning curve, and an art to operating the machine. These HDs are twist and go..
Let's for a moment consider that anyone who has ever been on a moped can now throw a leg over this bike and do 0-60 in four seconds.
I can forsee the unfamiliar, untrained individual getting themselves into a good deal of trouble.
no different than a car. anybody can get in and just go. and bad things do happen
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Harley could name them something else and keep the Harley brand separate..
Erik Buell just choked on his tongue.
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With traditional motorcycles; combustion engines and a manual shift transmission, there is learning curve, and an art to operating the machine. These HDs are twist and go..
Let's for a moment consider that anyone who has ever been on a moped can now throw a leg over this bike and do 0-60 in four seconds.
I can forsee the unfamiliar, untrained individual getting themselves into a good deal of trouble.
no different than a car. anybody can get in and just go. and bad things do happen
Thats likley true, but i am betting there is some truth to the statement, electric anything is power on demand, their is no curve really, very little, you go to WOT and you are at WOT in a split second, the torque is unbeleivable.
The bike will only matter to those that want it, us baby boomers and so forth will be buying less as a wee more time goes by, youngers today seem to be right into the cafe stuff and just retro stuff period, or retro for us anyways :-) I see fewer concerned with the power and more concerned with style then anything it seems. Regardless it will be interesting to see where bikes end up.
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Harley could name them something else and keep the Harley brand separate..
Erik Buell just choked on his tongue.
Good point. But from what he's said recently he's a lot happier now.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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