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Okay folks I'm going to present you with a prime target for abuse. I sold my '03 Speedmaster to buy a 2006 Harley Springer Classic. The buying experience (if you're curious) was good - most of the employees at the Harley dealership had nothing but respect for Triumph's (more than one of them had one tucked away in their garage.) When I showed up to pick up the new bike in my Triumph Stealth Jacket (which I'm NOT parting with) I got nothing but compliments on it. I can see myself with a Scrambler as a second bike in a year or so but right now I can't honestly complain about the quality/performance of the Harley.
Okay people I'm ready, let the shelling begin!!
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I guess you were sick of getting attention with the Triumph. I guess you're a traditionalist. You picked the Harley with 50 year old technology for the front suspension and the bouncing feeling you get with a springer. Well good luck with the Harley.
Well guys we lost another one to the minion.
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Well, the Springer is a pretty cool bike. I've always kind of liked it's somewhat pre-war look.  But Dave, you do realize of course that those days of perfect stangers walking up to you as you park your Triumph and striking up a conversation tinged with compliment after compliment about your choice in motorcycles, with the look of a long-lost love now found in their eyes, and the knowing sound of rememberance in their voice...will now be but a fleeting memory for you, don't cha?    Cheers, Dwight (now...I guess this COULD save you time in the long run) 
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But at least you will be one of the millions of folk on your one of a kind special edition that they make 2 million of
just kidding enjoy your new bike they are great looking
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You should have kept the Triumph too that way you'll have a spare when the Harley is in the shop.
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OK, Seriously, did they throw in a trailer?
Really, I've heard it so much I was wondering if there was any truth to it.
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what was wrong with the speedmaster?
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you do realize of course that those days of perfect stangers walking up to you as you park your Triumph and striking up a conversation tinged with compliment after compliment about your choice in motorcycles, with the look of a long-lost love now found in their eyes, and the knowing sound of rememberance in their voice...will now be but a fleeting memory for you
Dwight,
Those moments won't stop. Of course, from now on he'll be the stranger that walks up to one of us saying, "Hey I used to have a Triumph...."
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Okay people I'm ready, let the shelling begin!!
Best Regards,
Dave
Man, must be hard having to trade down on motorcycles - what piece of bad luck forced this catastrophe on ya?
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Nobby,
That seems a fair question to ask. No catastrophe at all, the Speedmaster was love at first sight, without question, but after the shine wore off I though it was underpowered and uncomfortable (again, I'll expect some shelling on this also.) If Triumph made a Cruiser with some power, other than that circus wagon they call a Rocket III, I'd scarf it up right away. Any other S.M. or B.A. owners praying for a bigger power plant? Be honest now. I sincerely hated to leave the Triumph family but they didn't offer anything I wanted. A sad but simple fact.
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Hey dave
No worries.
When the bigger America comes out, we'll have you back ...
Good luck with the new bike and don't be a stranger.
Just a thought but if you could see yourself with a Scrambler as a second bike, why not the Speedy as the second bike?
That way, when the Harley doesn't start, you still have a cruiser to go out on.
(You just KNOW I had to get one in, don't you? )
Seriously, good luck.
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Hey, We are all adults with a free mind and spirit. I have owned AND ridin nearly every make of bike out there. I RESPECT your decision cause it's yours! I may still tease you BUT I will NEVER PUT YOU DOWN!! After all, any crazy fool that would do what you do as a Diver should never be argued with!!! And they say jumpin outta an airplane is NUTS!!!! At least there was AIR 
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lol if your looking for power you pcked the wrong bike. goodluck with it, hope it treats you well
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To be quite honest I have toyed with the idea myself.The only bike out there that has a chance to pull me away from my speedy would be a HD springer classic,but it would have to be one hell of a deal for the springer AND if I got a hell of a price for my speedy!Also I can't knock Harley either for I have gotten nothing but admiration and respect from harley guy when I'm out in my speedmaster.
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Starting MRSP $17,195-18,960 ? Good grief...I really don't understand.  For that price it better be nice looking and a bunch more! I certainly like it but except for the springs it looks just like my buds new VTX1300 ($7200 by the way). Point being they all look the same. That's why I continue to ride Triumphs...the uniqueness. But, to be a bit corny, if you followed your heart rather than what others say to do then have no regrets!!! Enjoy your new bike and have fun riding!!!! 
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That's ok. Btw write down my number in case I have to come out and load her up in the pickup at 2:00AM.in the morning.....Angelis
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One thing that no one here seems to take into consideration is the resale value of a harley. Ask anyone who has owned a harley for more than 5 yrs and you'll see they got all or most of their $ back either as a trade or an outright sale. No other motorcycle holds its value like a harley. I'm not sure how our bikes will hold their value but by looking at blue book value Iwould have to think not so well. I know its not an investment per se' but it would be nice to ride for a few years without losing all your equity. [I ain't rich]
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Like I've said before, there's nothing wrong with a Harley, but there is something right with a Triumph. But, one shouldn't confuse bucket loads of torque for power. The HD engine produces a lot of torque, but the same cam be said for the old one cylinder John Deere. You'll find your top speed is about the same as the 800CC Triumph, but it takes a while to get there because of all the iron you have to spool up. The new springer frontend is a lot better than the 1921 version and it looks pretty good. I think it would look even better with maybe 5 degrees more rake and extended about 4 inches, but maybe I'm just old fashoned. One thing that nobody with a Bonneville dirivative can dispute is that the HD comes with a better horn.
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One thing that nobody with a Bonneville dirivative can dispute is that the HD comes with a better horn.
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I'm not so sure that Harleys are continuing to hold their resale value lately. With the Baby boomers induced spike in sales of Harleys passing, the used market for Harleys just isn't what it used to be. Lately I've been seeing some lower prices on used Harleys around here, with the big touring models taking the biggest hit. Even the new ones aren't getting over MSRP here in Tucson anymore even though there's just one dealer in town.
But I wouldn't buy a bike with an eye on it's resale value. I guess if you switch bikes every couple of years it's something you have to watch out for, but I tend to keep what I buy. Same goes for cars.
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look through the want ad's. there has to be a reaosn so many people get rid of them
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i would have went for the victory hammer: real power and real style and 6 speeds. hammer timecat
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I'm not so sure that Harleys are continuing to hold their resale value lately. With the Baby boomers induced spike in sales of Harleys passing, the used market for Harleys just isn't what it used to be. Lately I've been seeing some lower prices on used Harleys around here, with the big touring models taking the biggest hit. Even the new ones aren't getting over MSRP here in Tucson anymore even though there's just one dealer in town.
But I wouldn't buy a bike with an eye on it's resale value. I guess if you switch bikes every couple of years it's something you have to watch out for, but I tend to keep what I buy. Same goes for cars.
I agree, 8 pages of used Harley's in the Want-Ads. Also, I saw and Harley dealer ad in the news paper. 10% off MSRP on select models. 
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Dave, I'm lettin' the proverbial cat outta da bag here. My very cool '02 BA complete with Weisco big bore is for sale as I bought an '05 Harley Softail Deluxe. It was an incredible deal and this is my first Harley. But, I gotta tell ya, my BA has a better riding position and performs better than the H.D. even with it's stage one kit. But, the Harley has a better ride. They're just totally different bikes. Wish I had room for them both.
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Dave, I'm lettin' the proverbial cat outta da bag here. My very cool '02 BA complete with Weisco big bore is for sale as I bought an '05 Harley Softail Deluxe. It was an incredible deal and this is my first Harley. But, I gotta tell ya, my BA has a better riding position and performs better than the H.D. even with it's stage one kit. But, the Harley has a better ride. They're just totally different bikes. Wish I had room for them both.
Geez, you guys are killing me. A Softail rides better then a TBA?
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It's a given that most of the want ad's are for HD's. They have sold over 1,000,000 new bikes in the last 4 years. 317,00 in 2005 alone. When you have 75% market share, you will have the majority of the used bikes for sale as well. 8 pages of HD want ads doesn't equate to poor product quality or no demand, it equates to how many are in the marketplace.
It's true, at this time HD resale is not as great as it was 4-5 years ago, but it is still a heck of a lot better than my Triumph's resale value.
Enjoy you new Softail. I have found that owning a Harley is a enjoyable experience. Save up your money and buy another Triumph as well. We'll let you back into the Triumph club again!
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It's a given that most of the want ad's are for HD's. They have sold over 1,000,000 new bikes in the last 4 years. 317,00 in 2005 alone. When you have 75% market share, you will have the majority of the used bikes for sale as well. 8 pages of HD want ads doesn't equate to poor product quality or no demand, it equates to how many are in the marketplace.
It's true, at this time HD resale is not as great as it was 4-5 years ago, but it is still a heck of a lot better than my Triumph's resale value.
Enjoy you new Softail. I have found that owning a Harley is a enjoyable experience. Save up your money and buy another Triumph as well. We'll let you back into the Triumph club again!
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They don't have 75% market share. In fact they have the same as Honda, 26%. As far as resale value. You spend $20K on a Softail and you'll probably get $15K for it when it's 3 years old. You spend $8K on an America and you'll probably get $5K when it's 3 years old. Percentage wise the America has dropped more but not dollar wise.
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Around here at least 2 out of 3 bikes you see are harleys, and I live within 50 miles of most major bike franchises, except Triumph, I had to go 3.5 hours to get my ba. The reason you see more Harleys in the want ads is because they last longer, and because you can get your $ back. Who wants to sell their bike if they know they are going to lose big time?
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Shoulda held out till 2007...
Nice bike, but don't take it through the twisties too fast. I have a friend who tried to take his Harley through the mountains like he usually takes his Triumph, and he now has a titanium femur to show for it.
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I do realize the uniqueness of my Triumph but to me its just in the motor, the speedy and 'AMERICA' have also copied traditional AMERICAN styling along with Honda Yamaha and almost every other bike maker.Almost every one wants the look and feel of a harley or everyone else wouldn't have copied them
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Last time I checked Harley doesn't own the trademark on cruiser style motorcycles. If anything, Harley originally stole the design from the Triumph Speed Twin "back in the day."
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IT AINT THE TRADEMARK ITS THE STYLE I havent seen one other bike copy triumph they all copy harley period H ave you ever seen a jap cruiser with the tank emblems off? I don't think you'll say is that a triumph, youll probably think , is that a harley? Don't get me wrong ilove my triumph but ive loved all my harleys too. about the same amount of problems and maintenance with both. one of my bros has 79000 miles on is 83 lowrider . rebuilt cylinders but no bottom end, clutch, or tranny work. not bad I would like to quote Triumphs ad for America " british engineering with style taken from highways in AMERICA"
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Guess you wont be waving anymore, at least not at anything other than another non American made Harley. NAPA has a really good deal on 50 lb. bags of oil absorbent. Guess you will frequent there. First add ons should be saddle bags for storing duct tape, tie wire, spare belt, misc. nuts, bolts, glue, silicone and on & on & on .............. Have fun !!!!!!!!!! Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppp !!!!!!!
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Stone, I'll never forget standing next to my friend Keith and overhearing what this old bearded mechanic(yeah old...he was probably 40 at the time) told my friend back around 1969 when we were both about 17 years young. Keith and I were picking up his Panhead Chopper's engine from the shop that he had given it over to, in order to rebuild the engine, and then he and I were then going to bolt it back into his bike's frame. The grizzled "old" mechanic said...."Okay kid! Here's your motorcycle. And I say THAT because the motor IS the motorcycle. Without it, you've got yourself a BICYCLE there kid." So, thinking along those lines...I've always thought that whoever MADE the engine, and whatever configuation that engine is designed as, DEFINES the motorcycle. So even though the Bonneville Americas do have the "style" of a laid-back Cruiser(which BTW, Harley-Davidson has no patent on)...that Vertical-Twin motor will always define it as a TRIUMPH! Cheers, Dwight (oh, and BTW...I'd "smoke 'em" with my 650 Beezer Lightning every time we raced back then...whenever he could keep that contraption o' his running, that is)
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Im not sure whats worse. The fact that you did it, or that fact that you admit to it. No worries mate, sounds like you gotta youself a good one, and to be honest i can understand where you coming from. I to get quite tired of being different and long for the day when i can blend in with the crowd. Bikes a bike so who cares. Enjoy and ride safe. And at least now we all know another rider who has a trailor. They did give you the trailor...didnt they.
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underpowered....WHAT???? i have yet to lose a race to a hardly davidsome, even with my wife on the back, i still shut most of them down??? i dont understand what you meant, underpowered??? when i first got mine, i raced a guy who was on a wideglide all souped up with those tuned exhust and all the goodies and he couldnt get away from me, it hurt his feelings so bad he sold that bike, bought a full dresser and hasnt mentioned raceing since. UNDERPOWERED??? i dont know what you mean??? admit it!!! you couldnt help yourself, you felt the need to be one of the crowd, rather than stand out on your own, you just couldnt resist the temptation to be like the others, admit it now, it had nothing to do with power, and more to do with belonging to that hog thing. i understand i sometimes find my mind wandering over there but then my senses take over ( i have that built in sense that reminds me who i am) and wont let me go back there again no matter what the crowd sez. h.d. is one of the most underpowered bikes on the mkt. so i know it had nothing to do with power, so it must have been that brainwash thing that h.d. has on those that cant beat it. BONNEVILLE AMERICA handles like a sport bike, sits like a cruiser. and beats just about any h.d. out there( i dont consider the v-rod a h.d., its a porshe for crying out loud) off the line and in the 8th mi. i would put my B.A. up against just about any stock h.d. and i havnt done anything but change my cans(scepters) and tuned my carbs. so i know it wasnt about power. it had to be the spell that them h.d. wizards cast on you that caused you to succumb to their will???  if it was about power you might have wanted to look at the yami roadstar or honda anything or kawi anything they all look like h.d. and are excepted by all them h.d. riders today and you coulda bought one of them, put a springer on it and still walked away with $$$ in your pocket, IT WASNT ABOUT POWER!!!! i wont ever believe that!!! it was about joining the crowd and you need to admit that to yourself, not me or anybody here, just to yourself. cuz your gonna wake up one mornin and ask yourself why you didnt keep the best bike you will ever own.
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OK, I started off with a 500 (that's 30.50 in real numbers) Velocette. 2 years later, that was replaced with a 650 (40 real) Triumph. With both bikes I could go to the beach, go trail riding and hill climbing in the Whittier oil field and go pretty fast up Azusa canyon.
2 years later, the Triumph was replaced with an 80 inch (1300 in funny numbers) HD flathead and I got some cash besides. After much porting, relieving, head milling, regrinding cams, conversion from a Linkert to a Tillotson carb, stroking and boring to 94 inches (1500 in funny numbers) it was about as fast as the Triumph. But, it didn't do near as well on the trails or up Azusa canyon.
I rode mostly HD since then until I got the America, but I always missed that 650 and wished I'd kept it.
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If it was about power he would have purchased the Rocket III!
Enjoy your bike! If you want an American V-Twin cruiser you can't go wrong with an HD. Two fella's I work with ride HDs (on Friday's weather permitting) and they love'em.
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This is an OK thing guys. When it was time to purchase a new bike(after 20 years) my criteria was 1)it had to be carburated 2)had to have a chain 3)had to have a rich history 4)could NOT be a replica of an existing design and 5)easiliy hot roddable.
I remember ape hangars on old Triumphs and Rat Fink drawings of old Triumphs. HDs reminded me of Cop bikes.
You can't chop, bob, hack apart and gut HDs because they cost too much. Everybody owns them and they are not original. For under $500 my America will smoke the 1/4 mile under 13 seconds. While at a local bike night cruise(150+ bikes) I won a trophy for top cruiser. 99% of the bikes were HDs but they chose my bike. Triumphs command respect. Its not always about power like most folks say. Its about a sense of belonging and not feeling like an outsider. HD riders are like that. Too many movies I guess. I don't ride in big packs and I don't feel comfortable winning trophies.
Triumphs are Triumphs.
Don't fault him for buying the HD. For he will be the old guy someday telling some young kid on a Triumph at a gas station that he owned a Triumph..with a sparkle in his eye.
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