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WTF? The beginning of this video, the one ON THE BIKE, started this mess. I don't know what happened at the scene, but that RR driver was obviously scared sh*tless and was in what looked to be in fear of his and his families life. Someone is dead and these bikers carry a whole helluva lot of the blame here. Maybe all of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FurirjRW3kc
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Evidently some motorcyclists just aren't cognizant of some of the properties of Physics. Specifically if you happen to suddenly stop right in front of a larger four-wheeled vehicle that you've been crowding, the chances are YOU are gonna be the one gettin' hurt once that ol' bugaboo about two objects can not share the same space at the same time comes into play, and NOT the dude inside the larger four-wheeled vehicle. (...yep, some people should have maybe stayed awake in their high school science classes, huh...yep, it might save 'em a world o' hurt somewhere down the road...LITERALLY "down the road" in THIS case!)  
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Well then, THIS makes what the dumb motorcyclist did even MORE dumb, doesn't it! Uh-huh, 'cause ya see, besides evidently not stayin' awake in his high school science classes, the dumbass ALSO apparently wasn't cognizant that the guy drivin' the Range Rover was ASIAN!!! And ya DON'T have to have stayed awake in your high school science classes(like most Asian kids do while the rest of the student are fast asleep) to know that while most Asians are FAR superior in the Sciences and Mathematics than the rest of us, they're ALSO very likely to be REALLY bad drivers! (...and sooooo the dumbass motorcyclist should have known to give the guy drivin' the Range Rover WIDE-BERTH at ALL costs, HUH!!!) 
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Btw, REMEMBER folks, I have NEVER claimed to be "politically correct"!!!
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OH, and one MORE thing here, folks... This thing happened in New York, RIGHT?! Well, seein' as how those freakin' bozos ridin' their motorcycles all over the road like that and with apparently NO freakin' idea about the concept of "Lane Disciple"...well, NOW I think I'm startin' to see why all the bozos back east will NEVER be able to grasp the simple concept of reasonable and prudent LANE SPLITTING!!!!
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he should have run over more of them... ED 
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the driver needed colonel colt's equalizer
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You would think people on bikes would know better than to play bumper cars with actual cars. From what I've read I would have run them over too.
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He should have taken out another dozen of them on the 4 lane before he got bogged down. By that time its clear they mean him serious harm or death.
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Confused now (NOT for the first time) The header says one dead but the news article just says one man had a broken leg and was treated in Hospital. Whilst I beleive that a cage driver who ignores or endangers Bikers should get what's coming to them, this poor bloke seems to have just been a victim of a large group of 2 wheeled dicks! This wasn't biker justice, this was a group of idiots bullyin the bloke into doing something stupid. 
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If you read that whole article it does say one died farther down but just 1 line with no details.
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From what the story says, one of the motorcycle riders cut the SUV off and was then hit by the SUV. Then the driver sped off because they started damaging his car. The motorcycle guys here are thugs and trouble makers if the story is accurate. The video dont show everything, but from what it does show it paints the motorcyclists to be a bunch of thugs. I hope a judge will get to the bottom of the story and set the correct punishment.
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first no one was killed.. and not only did they start to hit and kick his suv.. with his wife and child in it.. they also pulled knifes and tried to slash his tires ..sorry if that was me I would have run over more of them.. Ed
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This will be played 100 times in city and state chambers as politicians try to pass laws about the limited number of bikes allowed in a group ride.
It is bad for every person who owns a bike. He should have hit more of them.
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I agree, this sort of thing is bad for everybody who rides (especially in NY). Hooliganism, and the rest of us will be tarred with it.
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There's this this basal, innate human response to an emminent threat. The guy had his wife and small child with him- what, if any, were his options? He chose the combination of superior mass and horsepower, and I don't blame him at all for removing his family from danger, real or implied.
The squids were idiots, even giving high speed chase with female passengers on the bikes. I forsee several charges pending.
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It will be interesting to hear the 911 calls made by both parties involved. I also wonder how popular the guy with the GoPro is with his squid riding group, especially after posting it on Youtube. Prosecutors love this kind of evidence.  ABC NEWS, biker that started the initial incident arrested. http://abcnews.go.com/US/nyc-motorcycle-attack-biker-arrested-cops-search/story?id=20430576
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I'm sure if I was the guy in the SUV that I would have done the same thing. That being said when I first saw that video I thought I was watching a trailer for a 2013 remake of the movie The Wild One
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Yeah...how about ALL of them? I'm sure there's a scenario where everyone would have been packing and it would have turned out well.
It doesn't quickly come to mind but it's what I've been told.
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At first glance me thinks the rider that stopped in front of the SUV failed physics class but after watching all the video I suspect they never made it to class.
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Just wondering about the cager.... what he had pulled before the tape ever started . People are often very quick to attack the biker and give cagers a pass. 
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Just wondering about the cager.... what he had pulled before the tape ever started . People are often very quick to attack the biker and give cagers a pass.
he did nothing...nothing happened before... that's it. other then the bikers being dicks...they road up on this guy swarmed his suv.. and tried to bully him into moving.. the Landrover was just cruising along and suddenly surrounded by bikes, then having one of them swerve in and brake check like we see in the video, I just don't know how one can find fault in the cage driver.
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Just wondering about the cager.... what he had pulled before the tape ever started...
From what the articles said, and what I could see from the video, they "swarmed" around the suv like African Killer Bees! Dozens in front, sides, rear. They said Jack-ass#1 cut the suv off, then slowed even more. That's also what I saw. IF the driver had hit his brakes hard enough to stop from hitting Jack-ass#1 (IF reflexes would even allow it) Jack-asses#2-20 would have probably slammed into the rear of the suv, some with their passengers. I don't believe ANYONE could keep their eye on every bike around them in THAT scenario!
The ONLY thing that is UNDENIABLE is, yes my friend, There was fifty or more Jack-asses that I saw, and ALL of them where on two wheels.
If I had been in that position, I'D BE FREAKIN' OUT and scared half to death. And in THAT case, better them then I.
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Man that sucked! Always two sides, but from what i could tell that driver did what most reasonable people would have done given the circumstances, wife, child, people beating on the car, hell ya i would have been out of there over and on top of anything in my path.... i have seen this before, not just with bikers but with groups of people, no reasoning with them at times like that, too many...get out of there pronto........ not a good day
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Just wondering about the cager.... what he had pulled before the tape ever started . People are often very quick to attack the biker and give cagers a pass.
he did nothing...nothing happened before... that's it. other then the bikers being dicks...they road up on this guy swarmed his suv.. and tried to bully him into moving.. the Landrover was just cruising along and suddenly surrounded by bikes, then having one of them swerve in and brake check like we see in the video, I just don't know how one can find fault in the cage driver.
this group is knowing for this in NY.. there called "Hollywood Stunts"..name of the club
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How do you know the driver did nothing to start this?
Even assuming he did nothing, and the rider in front slowed down like a dick, isn't it a complete (and criminal) over-reaction to drive over the rider.
On the other hand, if the riders were already intimidating and threatening the SUV then the driver's response is somewhat justified. My point is that you only have media conjecture to what happened before the video starts and lots of wild claims.
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Just wondering about the cager.... what he had pulled before the tape ever started . People are often very quick to attack the biker and give cagers a pass.
he did nothing...nothing happened before... that's it. other then the bikers being dicks...they road up on this guy swarmed his suv.. and tried to bully him into moving.. the Landrover was just cruising along and suddenly surrounded by bikes, then having one of them swerve in and brake check like we see in the video, I just don't know how one can find fault in the cage driver.
this group is knowing for this in NY.. there called "Hollywood Stunts"..name of the club
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How do you know the driver did nothing to start this?
Even assuming he did nothing, and the rider in front slowed down like a dick, isn't it a complete (and criminal) over-reaction to drive over the rider.
On the other hand, if the riders were already intimidating and threatening the SUV then the driver's response is somewhat justified. My point is that you only have media conjecture to what happened before the video starts and lots of wild claims.
if there was something the suv had done ..that group of riders would have showed it...posted it...said it.. it's not media conjecture to what happened before the video starts ..the vid is the one that a rider posted on u-tube that's how they got it.. he did have more up from that day but took them all down now..
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Bikers behaving badly - VERY badly.  They were a gang, a mob, a horde of lawbreakers attacking an innocent family. It is obvious by the outcome that they meant these people harm even before the Rover ran over the punks.  I hope the cops find as many of these animals as possible and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. They give all honest riders a bad name. Futhermore, cops need to crack down on future activity like this. It's all too common in the NY area.
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After seeing the "bad bikers" on the news wall to wall last night , went back and viewed the video again....all the bikers appear to be black not caucasian (gringo or mexican) I wonder if there is some prejudice in the media here. at "hot rod" night last night some of my more liberal friends were livid over the bikers (they all know I'm a helpless scooter head) When I posed the question to them that they might be prejudiced due to the bikers being black they started to back off....I asked them since they were backing off if it was more acceptable to attack the bikers based on media reports if they were gringo's or mexican? Makes me wonder if there is a racial component in this story.
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The only racial component that I heard was that the attackers were shouting racial epithets at the Asian family in the Rover.
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After seeing the "bad bikers" on the news wall to wall last night , went back and viewed the video again....all the bikers appear to be black not caucasian (gringo or mexican) I wonder if there is some prejudice in the media here. at "hot rod" night last night some of my more liberal friends were livid over the bikers (they all know I'm a helpless scooter head) When I posed the question to them that they might be prejudiced due to the bikers being black they started to back off....I asked them since they were backing off if it was more acceptable to attack the bikers based on media reports if they were gringo's or mexican? Makes me wonder if there is a racial component in this story.
funny I saw lots of white riders also  ...and no !!!!!
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He should have taken out another dozen of them on the 4 lane before he got bogged down. By that time its clear they mean him serious harm or death.
I went back and watched it again,I too am suprised he didn't take out more bikes and let them know he means business. So are enrollments for defencive driving courses up a little this week?
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A second biker has been arrested.
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After seeing the "bad bikers" on the news wall to wall last night , went back and viewed the video again....all the bikers appear to be black not caucasian (gringo or mexican) I wonder if there is some prejudice in the media here. at "hot rod" night last night some of my more liberal friends were livid over the bikers (they all know I'm a helpless scooter head) When I posed the question to them that they might be prejudiced due to the bikers being black they started to back off....I asked them since they were backing off if it was more acceptable to attack the bikers based on media reports if they were gringo's or mexican? Makes me wonder if there is a racial component in this story.
funny I saw lots of white riders also ...and no !!!!!
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WAIT now, Ed! Let's not jump to conclusions here and TOTALLY discount some racial aspect to all this.
Uh-huh, remember what I said earlier in this thing about how Asians are prone to be really great at Science and Math BUT are often REALLY bad drivers, and so all those moronic riders, be they black or white or brown, should have known to give the guy in the Range Rover WIDE-BERTH!!!
(...forgot about THAT here, didn't ya dude!)
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It's always those darn bikers on crotch rockets causing trouble!
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It's always those darn bikers on crotch rockets causing trouble!
Yeah, well, other than all those times the Hell's Angels, the Mongols, the Pagans, et al, happen to ride up on their Harleys at the same public locale and start shootin' at each other, anyway!
(...gotta admit though that like MOST gang altercations, the general public seldom gets shot in all the crossfire...and so I suppose we can AT LEAST appreciate THAT about THOSE characters, huh!)
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I'll go against the majority and ask the question (because it is still not clear what started this - what happened prior to the video is purely conjecture).
If you piss off a cage driver (intended or unintentionally) do they have the right to run over you and your bike because 'they feel threatened'?
I suspect this driver may have been trying to drive through the group of bikers - sure that's also conjecture. If you were in a large group ride and a vehicle tried to intimidate it's way through wouldn't you get a bit pissed off?
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I've now watched this video three times, Richard, and I have to say I think your conjecture is incorrect...and here's why.
From the rider's video it appears he was part of the lead pack, and thus it appears his fellow lead riders came up upon the Range Rover from behind. I got this impression especially after noticing that once they take after the driver, the Range Rover never comes up upon another group of riders and until he's forced to stop because of traffic ahead of him...and when and where he got the crap beat out of him.
And, even IF the cager previously beforehand and before this rider's video camera was started had worked his way through all the pack of riders, for that bozo of a rider to have stopped right in front of the cager in order for him to possibly "teach him a lesson"..well, I STILL say THAT bozo of rider deserved what he got for possibly doing something THAT freakin' boneheaded in the FIRST place!!!
(...in other words, even IF that freakin' boneheaded bozo of a rider didn't start the whole shebang, he CERTAINLY aggravated the situation to such a point to where it then got TOTALLY out of hand!)
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Interesting that one could find the RR driver to blame for, basically, being matter that occupies space. Time to put him down for his crimes.
Got to applaud the consistency, though.
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