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Where it not for the clique that throttles them back this board would be like most boards: mean nasty and rampant with hate and bigotry. No? Well take a look at other boards where you will read post that border on malevolence.




With due respect to yourself Jim it bothers me a little that you assume this board may be or become like this. I say all this because I feel a certain allegiance and loyalty to this place, it being my first English-speaking board.

If I take you back to the beginning of this board you will possibly remember that we had these lively debates on a daily basis for the first almost 4 years, without major drama. Specifically until around August of 06. A specific member disrupted the civility getting vitriolic almost in his every post. Not naming names but he was the fella who said he didn't believe in "Italian-Americans" or "Irish-Americans" and that you were either American or you weren't. At the same time his site avatar was the Irish flag and his site handle/name was a region in Ireland (I have actually ridden there which is why I recognized it)... for flucks sake. He also go this history AND geography messed up ... probably got it from comic books.
He has since disappeared.
I have better examples but am a little vague on purpose.

It was directly after his aggressive attacks that FJ and a couple of the mods started becoming somewhat trigger-happy and started treating us like we were in a nursery school. Sorry, but this is how I felt and I am a grown boy with a lot of mileage on my back, as are most.

You are right, some sites are crappy but I also know of a couple that are pretty well behaved, without any intervention.

I would like to think this could be another one, as per the early days.



I still say have two threads. One says politics and the other can say The Bar or whatever. Go in there and put on your thick skin or don't go in.

And Bedouin, you don't live in America what do you know!

Fight, fight!



Really ... well then green bikes are the slowest! So there!

Bedouin. Blessed are those eyes that have seen more roads than any man! (Homer).